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I'm glad for this. The randos who drop in every month to say "Why don't we send Solid Snake to kill Kim Jong Un" seem to have been silenced by the actual prospect of war. We need our regular dose of sirthisisastarbucks.txt.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:No one in north Korea has small pox no matter how cramped their "conditiobs"(???) are or how weak their DNA is. No one has small pox anywhere. No one has had small pox anywhere on earth in 41 years. You are so right dude! All 7 billion people in this world were vaccinated against smallpox and North Koreas were actually the first in line due in no part to the efforts of KJI to eradicate all diseases from North Korea.
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Turns out Miasma Theory was correct, a disease can just spring up from the aether when a sufficient concentration of people are ideologically inferior.
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LeoMarr posted:You are so right dude! All 7 billion people in this world were vaccinated against smallpox and North Koreas were actually the first in line due in no part to the efforts of KJI to eradicate all diseases from North Korea. you're god damned nuts and/or incapable of admitting that you made an ignorant wrong choice of an example disease
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Strange that the guy who voted for Trump so that he could join an invasion force in the aftermath of a nuclear attack on the DPRK has some issues with self-reflection.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The claim is "Wiki doesnt talk about MERS and Small pox, but both are prevailent in the country aswell." which is an insane conspiracy theory. The idea that the north korean military has secret small pox weapons is also a pretty far out there conspiracy theory that is almost certainly not true, but the idea that small pox is common in north korea but this is being covered up by wikipedia is like, time cube levels nutty. Especially if it's part of some more open minded view of how people get diseases that isn't tied to viruses needing to exist and is tied to living in huts or having similar genes or whatever it is Smallpox absolutely is not "prevalient", but there has been reporting from credible sources on the possibility of pathogen stockpiles, so that claim, while controversial (and while different from the point to which you were responding), is perhaps somewhat less far out.
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Apr 4, 2018 21:12
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If they're at the releasing uncontrollable biological weapons stage of things wouldn't they also be at the dropping nukes stage? I don't think small pox stockpiles they *might* have is the big concern here guys.
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LeoMarr posted:You are so right dude! All 7 billion people in this world were vaccinated against smallpox and North Koreas were actually the first in line due in no part to the efforts of KJI to eradicate all diseases from North Korea. So your theory is that because they have similar DNA, live in villages and have cramped "conditiobs" that they have secretly contracted smallpox and it is prevalent? But this is hidden somehow for some reason from everyone by wikipedia? And the idea of viruses is "a narrow minded view of how diseases are contracted."
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Lord of the Llamas posted:If they're at the releasing uncontrollable biological weapons stage of things wouldn't they also be at the dropping nukes stage? I don't think small pox stockpiles they *might* have is the big concern here guys. In a modern sense, yes. 10 years ago that wasn’t an option but the biological attack was a real possibility. Also, i’m not trying to be a conspiracy theorist on whether certain state level actors have biological weapons, but there are only a handful of places you can deploy to that require smallpox vaccines prior to arrival. Further, if you’ve never had a smallpox vaccine, they’re gnarly. First the poke you in the shoulder a few times with a little spiked rod to draw some blood and infect you. After a day or two, the scratch seems healed up. Then it rapidly blisters and forms a dime to nickel sized pus pocket where your old scratch was. This lasts 1-2 weeks before it drains and you’re left with a nasty scab that’ll fall off in another 1-2 weeks.
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Like, north korea almost certainly doesn't have smallpox weapons because smallpox is roughly the worst imaginable virus for a weapon. (20 day incubation time that wouldn't prevent you from holding a gun till near the end, has a lowish individual fatality rate but spreads easily). Like it's never been a good biological weapon for anyone compared to anthrax or something and what is north korea going to do with it? load it in a mortar and shoot it into the DMZ and then immediately have it risk hitting their own country? Like you can kinda maybe image they have a sample of it, as some prestige thing, like they acquire it or used the creation of it as proof of their biotech capability or something. Like that is also probably not the case but is like in the realm of "a thing that might be true" That is a million miles from the idea it's a prevalent disease in north korea and that is a billion miles from the idea they have spontaneously contracted it because of their lack of mansions and weak DNA.
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I agree that it is far off from the claim smallpox is just chilling in the wild. It is an extremely effective bioweapon that has been used in the Americas historically, but you are right there is a slow burn. I’m just saying that we weren’t inoculated for no reason. Not everyone in the military gets a smallpox vaccine.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I agree that it is far off from the claim smallpox is just chilling in the wild. Like, historically as in the 1700s. Like on the list of viruses we know about smallpox hits almost every checkbox for "it'd be a bad weapon". It's near impossible to get a starting sample, it's hard to grow large amounts, it's hard to weaponize, it takes a long time to kill someone and has a relatively low fatality rate that doesn't incapacitate for most of it. And it spreads in a way that is totally terrible for a weapon. Like compare that to anthrax that you can get samples for free in the dirt, and when airborne has an 80% fatality rate and an incubation time of 1-7 days that you can reduce by just making someone breath more of it. Plus you can raise and study it in cows, and it can have the secondary effect of attacking enemy livestock, plus it naturally forms spores and loves being made into a powder that can sit on a shelf ready to go for a century. It also spreads in a super predictable way and stays where you put it and spreads person to person in a way that would have a huge effect on the army you used it on and a minor effect on your army.
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Considering how poorly they handled nuclear material, I don't think that making bioweapons with an extremely unpredictable and virulent pathogen would work out so well. At least radiation poisoning isn't contagious.
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I got vaccines for anthrax as well (thanfully none of mine were tainted). Just because it isn’t the best weapon doesn’t mean it hasn’t been weaponized or stockpiled in places. You don’t get the smallpox vaccine unless you’re deploying to one of those places.
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Seriously you paranoid loving cock lanterns, smallpox isn't even a factor in why China and South Korea might not like to deal with the reconstruction of NK.
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Tias posted:Seriously you paranoid loving cock lanterns, smallpox isn't even a factor in why China and South Korea might not like to deal with the reconstruction of NK. yes but how similar are their DNA and how cramped are their conditiobs?
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Tias posted:Seriously you paranoid loving cock lanterns, smallpox isn't even a factor in why China and South Korea might not like to deal with the reconstruction of NK. They’re a concern if the conflict goes hot, though, otherwise we wouldn’t specifically inoculate servicemembers deploying to that area.
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Mr. Nice! posted:They’re a concern if the conflict goes hot, though, otherwise we wouldn’t specifically inoculate servicemembers deploying to that area. Small pox vaccines cost less than 3 dollars a dose. I kinda imagine someone was trying to think up an anti-biological weapons vaccine program and just went with everything that cost less than X bucks or something. Instead of any of them being any sort of specific individual threat.
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Halloween Jack posted:Considering how poorly they handled nuclear material, I don't think that making bioweapons with an extremely unpredictable and virulent pathogen would work out so well. At least radiation poisoning isn't contagious. says you, in the mad max hellscape future i fully expect at least one of my warbandmates to die from eating irradiated human corpses
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Didn't see this posted yet: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43666134 Park Geun-hye was sentenced to 24 years for corruption.
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icantfindaname posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/AlastairGale/status/982155171651239937 I looked up a full list of South Korean presidents. * Syngman Rhee: Resigned, exiled to Hawaii with the aid of the CIA as protesters converged on the Blue Palace. * Heo Jeong: Acting President, peacefully succeeded. * Yun Posun: Ousted and forced to resign after a coup. Suspended sentences for anti-government activities. * Park Chung-hee: Assassinated by intelligence agency officer during a Blue Palace safehouse dinner, shortly after saying they needed to be more repressive with protesters. * Choi Kyu-hah: Declared martial law, killed almost 1000 civilians in a week, forced to resign. * Chun Doo-hwan: Stepped down upon conclusion of his term. Investigated, convicted, and sentenced initially to death and later a life sentence (commuted) for the 1979 military coup, mass arrests for reeducation camps, and massacre of hundreds of activists. * Roh Tae-woo: Stepped down upon conclusion of his term. Convicted of treason, mutiny, and corruption. Sentenced to 22.5 years and later 17 years (commuted). At last check, owed $235,152,057 to the nation of South Korea to repay his illegally gained wealth. * Kim Young-sam: Stepped down upon the conclusion of his term. * Kim Dae-jung: Stepped down upon the conclusion of his term. * Roh Moo-hyun: Stepped down upon the conclusion of his term. Committed suicide during investigation of bribery. * Lee Myung-bak: Stepped down upon the conclusion of his term. Arrested for bribery, embezzlement, and tax evasion and currently facing a possible life sentence. * Park Geun-hye: Impeached for cult-related influence peddling. Arrested and sentenced to 24 years for corruption. --------------------- Guys I think South Korea may be hosed up. chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Apr 7, 2018 |
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What could you possibly spend 235 million on? Gold-plated escorts from Hooker Hill?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Small pox vaccines cost less than 3 dollars a dose. I kinda imagine someone was trying to think up an anti-biological weapons vaccine program and just went with everything that cost less than X bucks or something. Instead of any of them being any sort of specific individual threat. They also put a military unit out of operation for 3 weeks. It isn't like it's just a shot and send you on your way. Costs aren't a concern at all, and inoculating everyone against smallpox isn't a concern either. You only get the smallpox vaccine if you're going to Korea or a few other places in the world. What's even more fun is when you find out a decade later that your smallpox vaccine was a part of a clinical trial that they didn't tell anyone about. They tested a new type of vaccine on us to see if we would have any type of major immune system response that could potentially result in cardiac arrest. This test vaccine was one of if not the only smallpox vaccines used in 2007 and is now the standard smallpox vaccine in the strategic reserve.
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icantfindaname posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/AlastairGale/status/982155171651239937 god i love korean politics
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chitoryu12 posted:Guys I think South Korea may be hosed up. Law enforcement has good reach, though
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chitoryu12 posted:I looked up a full list of South Korean presidents. alternative interpretation: unlike most other places, south korea takes no prisoners when it comes to making GBS threads on corrupt leaders (ie all of them)
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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My understanding is the prosecutors have incredible authority and are also a highly politicized office there. It seems normal for a them to prosecute the last guys in office from the opposing political party every time government changes hands. Also, wasn’t the guy who threw himself from the cliff framed by Lee Myung Bak?
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suck my woke dick posted:alternative interpretation: unlike most other places, south korea takes no prisoners when it comes to making GBS threads on corrupt leaders (ie all of them) Ahahahahahahahahaha Good one. TsarZiedonis posted:My understanding is the prosecutors have incredible authority and are also a highly politicized office there. It seems normal for a them to prosecute the last guys in office from the opposing political party every time government changes hands. Pretty much. Supporters of the past party (Even if they're ostentatiously in your cohort) are to be milked if the prior nerd was popular until you can blast him, otherwise they're a dissenting voice and much be shorn of figureheads ASAP.
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What a Roman system.
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TsarZiedonis posted:Also, wasn’t the guy who threw himself from the cliff framed by Lee Myung Bak? Yes. This very inconvenient fact is naturally omitted from the usual lol korea thinkpieces because our media really, really wants to pretend that both sides of South Korean politics are actually the same. icantfindaname posted:With a record like that Moon must be very very nervous That's the current talking point for conservatives, yeah. Hong Jun-pyo keeps referring to the boomerang that's going to turn back and hit Moon Jae-in in the rear end. There's a couple of problems with this. One, the lack of specificity regarding hypothetical crimes that Moon Jae-in would be committing right now implies that a future conservative government would just make poo poo up for the sole purpose of pushing a politically motivated prosecution. Two, that is in fact exactly what they would do. Again, Kim Dae-jung and Roh Moo-hyun pursued a policy of reconciliation with dictatorial elements of South Korean politics, and instead of this political capital being rewarded with a concilatory conservative government upon the next power change, conservatives just went right back to abusing state powers the same way they did before. Moon Jae-in isn't an idiot. His politics are fundamentally identical to Roh Moo-hyun's. The main difference is that he governs with the bully pulpit, and has been daring conservatives to come up with any idea that isn't just blaming everything on North Korean Communists. Which brings me to the third point- Lee Myung-bak is indisputably a corrupt little poo poo. No one is even pretending otherwise. When questions about his secretly owning slush fund companies were brought up in the 2007 election, his defense was literally that these were communist lies. This isn't a story you're going to hear about in English language media because it's indistinguishable from South Korea's right wing media. The strategy right now is to just pretend like the last fifteen years of South Korean politics never happened. Which might work for idiot foreigners with no access to local news, but it's a losing strategy with a domestic population that was actually around when all of this poo poo was going on and remembers what happened. Incidentally, Moon Jae-in's approval rating has now tracked back up to around 70%, because everyone has long forgotten about that whole thing with the women's hockey team. Lee Myung-bak, by way of contrast, spent nearly his entire presidency in the 20% range. This is a good fact to keep in mind should you be wondering how prosecutions that the international press is currently lumping under the same "politically motivated" umbrella are actually being perceived by the public.
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Some Guy TT posted:Yes. This very inconvenient fact is naturally omitted from the usual lol korea thinkpieces because our media really, really wants to pretend that both sides of South Korean politics are actually the same. I still don’t know whether or not to believe this... half the zany poo poo you hear about in korean politics turns out to be bullshit orientalist, but the other half is just zany reality. Actually asking Koreans about these things also isn’t usually very productive for me, because serious questions about political figures tends to turn them into American talk radio style shrieking spheres of white hot rage.
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There need to be a new word to describe Korea and Brazil's political system. How to you call a goverment that send all out-going president directly to jail do not pass GO do not collect $200?
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Apr 10, 2018 11:31
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Fourecks? (well, Prime Ministers at least.)
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I mean, it should have the effect of excluding idiots who merely want a cushy consulting job after their term from the office, if only in favour of the really loving power hungry or the true ideologues.
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Jagged Jim posted:Fourecks? (well, Prime Ministers at least.) I swear, I would've posted this first if I didn't have a job.
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whatever7 posted:There need to be a new word to describe Korea and Brazil's political system. How to you call a goverment that send all out-going president directly to jail do not pass GO do not collect $200? Right-wing developmental state?
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Immediate purges of political rivals once they're bereft of the trappings of power in order to solidify your position and intimidate/placate the masses? I'm thinking pre-gulag Bolshevist.
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They're both states where the machinery of the right-wing dictatorship period is still around and in working order but there is genuine competition over control of that machinery
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This negative language strikes me as a bit odd considering that Park Geun-hye and Lee Myung-bak are in fact guilty of the crimes they've been accused of. That much has never really been in dispute. The entire debate has just been over the optics of sending political opposition to jail without making value judgments as to whether or not they deserve it. The Obama administration erred on the opposite side of that debate. The result has been that in the age of Trump war criminals and financial criminals from the Bush era have now been restored to previous power- not counting the ones who got to keep that power through the Obama years too. If anything the South Korean model seems like something we should be emulating. Hell, my main issue with calls for Trump's impeachment is that they don't go anywhere near far enough- they're laser-focused around the Russia issue so as to avoid accidentally hurting any other Republican ghouls who are just as responsible for the terrible poo poo going on right now as Trump is.
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