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He’s mute because the silent protagonist is cool for story telling.
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NoMas posted:where do you guys get all this lore anyway? NPC dialogue & lore tablets mostly. Cartoon Man posted:He’s mute because the silent protagonist is cool for story telling. That's obviously the out-of-universe explanation but it doesn't mean there isn't an in-universe one we can speculate about!
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NoMas posted:where do you guys get all this lore anyway? it's like 99% exhausting dialogue options with every NPC (and whacking them with the dream nail) and then another 1% dev statements and entomology most of it isn't secret or exclusive in any real sense but there are one or two places where knowing a little bit about e.g. the life cycle of parasitic wasps makes you go "oh gently caress"
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NoMas posted:where do you guys get all this lore anyway? Mossbag
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There are a few out of the way lore sources like handing over a lot of currency exchange items to Relic Seeker Lemm or killing Herrah after doing Hornet 2 but yeah mostly it's just talking to all the NPCs every chance you get, and making sure to talk to them multiple times until they repeat themselves.
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QuarkJets posted:Is muteness a requirement for being a vessel (or former vessel), though? no voice to cry suffering, so yes the hollow knights and the other failed candidates are spawn of WL and PK that the king cast off into the abyss and rigged up so that voidstuff would infuse their stillborn husks, creating mute and mindless automatons that were attracted to and grasped their way towards his light high above. he grabbed the first one that actually made it and then trained it to withstand the radiance, but he was too much of a sentimental dope to resist treating it like his actual child while he did so, which resulted in the "idea instilled" that caused the seal to fail. the hollow knight's "voice" during its boss fight is basically the radiance screaming out of its husk as she tries to break free hornet's nothing like that, she's a normally born and raised child who just happens to be a demigoddess thanks to the pale king's heritage, and was trained to be exceptionally good at stabbing things to death. or double-death, however the infection works e: added spoilers since this was just released on ps+ last month Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Cartoon Man posted:Lmao, I love this game so much. Reading the blog-style updates from first-time players is my favorite thing. I'm nearing the end of my 2nd play through. I have two bosses left on my map that I know about Traitor Lord and the Collector. Once those are beaten I'm going full in on spoilers to find out what's left. I'm not interested in any of the boss rush modes, so I think I'm relatively close to being done with everything else. I think Godhome has some area to explore? And I know there's a few sidequests like the flower thing or whatever. Also planning to give the white palace at least a try, though I may give up on it if I'm not having fun. But I don't know where any of those things are.
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The White Palace is possible by mere mortals, by the time you get there the game has taught/forced you to learn all the moves needed to do it. Put the Hiveblood charm on from the bees and it will regenerate your health after each fail as well. Sprint master helps with better movement. QuickSlash paired with Mark of Pride is extremely useful for pogo jumping. Try it yourself first but don’t be afraid to google up a tutorial of how to do it either. The respawn points are extremely fair when you make a mistake.
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hiveblood is really bad and slow compared to grubsong + grubberfly's elegy + deep focus i swear half the reason people hate white palace is because they think the charm combo that requires a 12-second wait between every attempt is mandatory. i'd hate it too if i spent half the dungeon sitting on my hands and screwing up my muscle memory Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Yes but it frees up more charm notches for other things he may need instead. I suck at pogoing with the base nail, just can’t do it effectively without Mark of pride and quickslash.
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Oh yeah that's the other thing. I only have like 2/3 of the charms, so I'll look into how to get the remaining ones, and probably spoil their interactions just for fun. I'm not too worried about the palace. I enjoy hard platformers (Celeste, Meat Boy, etc) so I'm expecting to have fun with it. But we'll see.
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ColdPie posted:Oh yeah that's the other thing. I only have like 2/3 of the charms, so I'll look into how to get the remaining ones, and probably spoil their interactions just for fun. Oh you’ll do fine. Once you complete it, google up where the “Path of Pain” is located, that’s your real challenge...
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:All but one of them (and maybe not even then depending on how you interpret the endings) failed to live up to that standard. The original Hollow Knight possessed a will despite being made from the Void and was accordingly corrupted. The Knight and all the Siblings, including the Hollow Knight, are the result of the biological union of the White Lady and Pale King, two Higher Beings. The eggs produced were cast into the Abyss and their bodies hollowed out by and filled with void. Hornet and the Knight share a father in the Pale King.
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Outside of the Black Egg Temple, Hornet says: I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain your likes. Its bindings would drain me were I to join. So I was wrong!
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Dec 23, 2020 16:32
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so why does our guy come from outside the Kingdom if he's from the Abyss?
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grieving for Gandalf posted:so why does our guy come from outside the Kingdom if he's from the Abyss? there were a bunch of vessels who were locked into the abyss when the king shut the door but somehow slipped out through other means. some got eaten by nosks or other predators, some were killed by hornet, and the PC meandered around the wastelands for an unknown amount of time before the hollow knight's seal broke, which pinged its programming and compelled it to return to Hallownest to carry out its duty one of the bigger unspoken mysteries of the game is what the hell the PC was doing out there all this time, we get maybe one line that hints its adventures in the wastes helped make it such a ferocious fighter in the first place but that's about it
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Hornet is the Gendered Child, which implies that she is the only member of some category that possesses a gender. I say she's part void.
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Rand Brittain posted:Hornet is the Gendered Child, which implies that she is the only member of some category that possesses a gender. I say she's part void. she's the gendered child because she's the half-sibling of the hordes of genderless, mindless kids the pale king spawned to establish the seal. by her own admission she is not void and isn't able to harness its power (not in the least because its power seems to be horribly incompatible with creatures that are conventionally "alive"). if she could then the radiance probably would have gotten snuffed out ages ago! e: it's worth noting that her siblings were also not "part void" by any dint of their birth, they only became that way due to the pale king plunging them into the abyss and infusing their husks with the darkness there. the mere fact that hornet is fully sapient shows that he didn't tinker with her in any such way (and also it's pretty unlikely that Herrah would have struck that bargain with him just to give him another meat puppet) Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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hornet is a powerful girl. why was she killing Vessels? sorry if I'm asking too many questions, some of it just flew past me I think
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grieving for Gandalf posted:hornet is a powerful girl. why was she killing Vessels? vessels are born of the king, which means that they're eligible to receive the Kingsbrand housed in the Wyrm's corpse. that's a one-time only deal and not something you want some bumbling zombie to inherit, so hornet killed any who weren't able to fend her off before they could find their way to the Wyrm and take the brand. the PC successfully beat her, twice, and also successfully infused itself with the abyss' power, which is why her inner thoughts over the course of the game have her coming around to the idea that this creepy little thing might have enough mojo to kill off the Radiance for good instead of just prolonging the failed seal Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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I hope we never get an answer as to why the PC was out in the wastes, it’s better left as a mystery.
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Enjoying the loretalk here.
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NoMas posted:where do you guys get all this lore anyway? They make most of it up as they go along.
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NoMas posted:where do you guys get all this lore anyway? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XDiWYFGGqY
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The best part about the Lore is that you can completely ignore 98% of it all and the game still works and is amazing.
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is there a lore video like this that's not by someone who is dreadfully unfunny
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Youtube is a plague, people will make a 20 minute video that needed hours of editing for what could have just been a few paragraphs of text.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:is there a lore video like this that's not by someone who is dreadfully unfunny
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Oxxidation posted:no voice to cry suffering, so yes But doesn't that still mean that Zote could be a former vessel? He talks now, but that doesn't mean that he always did.
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There is no examples in the entire game of vessels gaining the ability to talk. edit: The only time any of them even makes a sound is when the Radiance screams through them.
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SirSamVimes posted:There is no examples in the entire game of vessels gaining the ability to talk. Well there's also the shadelord who also roars through them in Godhome but that's....a weird thing. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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'But all the other ones don't talk!' Yes well, the other ones also don't have heroic statues made of them showing how tall and dashing they are (before being sealed away forever). This one's different. If it's yelling at me in pain/whatever, then I'm willing to believe that it's yelling at me. edit: Oh ffs really? I have to get to the top of pantheon 4 before getting that salacious piece of lore? gently caress you, game. Next DLC will have you going through the path of pain while Zote keeps bouncing around you, in order to find the backstory of Dirtmouth. Fuckers. Serephina fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Serephina posted:'Radiance screams through them' really does fail Occam's Razor. The figure poising itself in a howl, with a loud howl coming from it? It's probably howling. nope. check out Pure Vessel. silent howl.
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Serephina posted:'Radiance screams through them' really does fail Occam's Razor. The figure poising itself in a howl, with a loud howl coming from it? It's probably howling. Yeah, and it's just a coincidence that it sounds exaclty like the Radiance screaming (if I recall correctly) and when you fight Pure Vessel it howls silently.
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SirSamVimes posted:There is no examples in the entire game of vessels gaining the ability to talk. The only vessels we encounter are A) perfect, B) dead, or C) corrupted by the Radiance. We never see an imperfect vessel (perhaps we see a perfect vessel becoming imperfect at the end of the path of pain, but that vessel is otherwise perfect). Zote meets most of the other characteristics of a vessel: stature, outfit, and most importantly he appears to leave no corpse, his body dissolving on death. These create the possibility that he was one of the many imperfect vessels, one who could not become the Hollow Knight, but like so many others managed to escape into the wastelands. Zote being a flawed vessel is not confirmable by the game, but there is evidence to support the theory, and no evidence that precludes it QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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he has a visible mouth
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QuarkJets posted:most importantly he appears to leave no corpse, his body dissolving on death he gets eaten!
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b_d posted:he gets eaten! Every other bug leaves a corpse, even the ones that probably get eaten (like in various locations in and around deepnest) The only creatures in the game that don't leave a corpse, leaving behind only a mask (if they have one), are made of void
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funnier theory I’ve seen is that zote was a nosk with dreams of grandeur
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