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sirbeefalot posted:Is there a particular recommended pick for a 2TB drive for a general use/gaming/CAD laptop? I'm looking at the WD SN770 on Amazon for $180 and wondering if I should save a bit and look at Gen 3 drives instead. The SN770 is *really* good value for money. Like, there aren't a whole lot of TLC gen 3 drives that are cheaper that that. If you don't care about TLC vs QLC -- and at 2tb a QLC drive will have plenty of SLC cache to offset the badness -- there are cheaper options. Right now the kingston NV2 is a pretty insane deal at $130 for example. (It's technically a gen4 drive, but pretty much runs at gen3 speed.) sirbeefalot posted:I have used a couple different laptops with Gen 3 drives for the past few years and don't really think they have felt slow to load at any point, but eh. The apps are still lagging the hardware, games that use directstorage in any meaningful way are still wait and see.
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sirbeefalot posted:Is there a particular recommended pick for a 2TB drive for a general use/gaming/CAD laptop? I'm looking at the WD SN770 on Amazon for $180 and wondering if I should save a bit and look at Gen 3 drives instead. This would go into a new ASUS ROG Flow X16. I have used a couple different laptops with Gen 3 drives for the past few years and don't really think they have felt slow to load at any point, but eh. I just picked up an SN770 because it was on sale to a point where I felt like it was good enough deal - upgrading a 1TB SN570 to a 2TB SN770. I have no complaints about the SN570s I have, but if I was going to go bigger I figured I may as well go faster, too. And like Klyith said, there is the possibility of directstorage passing the vaporware stage soon, so I figured it doesn't hurt there, either, since this is my main Windows drive getting the upgrade.
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the first game that's supposed to actually use directstorage is forspoken which is out in january so we'll see then
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Thanks, I picked up the 770.
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Poking around NVME drives to replace a smaller capacity drive that just isn't quite cutting anymore. It looks like I can get a 1 TB Inland Prime or Samsung 980 for basically the same price. Any reason to prefer one over the other? Edit: This is going in a B450 AMD system so PCIE 4.0 does not matter to me.
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Always get Samsung over a no-name brand like Inland. Get the 980.
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Inland isn't a no-name, they're microcenter's house label and are actually quite good in the bang for buck department. They also have very good warranties. However, at the same price I'd do the 980 because it's a faster drive.
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Yeah, no. Inland = generic crap. 3rd tier NAND, etc.
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redeyes posted:Yeah, no. Inland = generic crap. 3rd tier NAND, etc. The inland prime is using Micron 178L TLC, which is the same as is in the Crucial P5 Plus. It's fine and you are talking out of your rear end.
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Inland CAN be generic crap, or it could be quite good. it's a range.
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I've had an Inland Premium 1 TB in my rMBP for three years now, has a nice Phison 12 controller that's never given me problems, it even had a firmware upgrade that was supposed to neutralize any issues. I had bought several which found their way into friend's Airs and rMBPs, one did go defective (inside a Thunderbolt enclosure) but I brought it to Micro Center with the receipt and they just swapped it for a new one sight unseen and tossed the bad one into a returns bin. New one worked fine. Yes the Samsung 980 is probably a better unit but I've been through Samsung's RMA process and it's needlessly user hostile and time consuming. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Nov 15, 2022 |
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cambrian obelus posted:Inland CAN be generic crap, or it could be quite good. it's a range. I've got no opinion on anything but the SSDs, so whatever other stuff microcenter sells with the inland name might be anywhere in quality. The thing is, a basic SSD is a commodity device now. Putting some NAND and a phision controller on a pcb isn't rocket science. "3rd tier flash" is not a thing, outside of chinese scam drives. There are chips that are cheaper (and slower) but there are also things like number of channels on the controller that are very important.
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Klyith posted:I've got no opinion on anything but the SSDs, so whatever other stuff microcenter sells with the inland name might be anywhere in quality. Is there much difference on the cheaper drives with the amount of overprovisioning or is it really that the drive will probably be tossed in 2-3 years when the cells degrade if there was even enough writes to cause it anyway (most consumer places a cheap drive will go probably don't get that much data written)
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priznat posted:Is there much difference on the cheaper drives with the amount of overprovisioning or is it really that the drive will probably be tossed in 2-3 years when the cells degrade if there was even enough writes to cause it anyway (most consumer places a cheap drive will go probably don't get that much data written) Yeah a more expensive drive will probably have more overprovision (overprovision is also useful for speed as well as endurance). Consumer drives have fairly conservative TBW specs, or at least they have any time it's been tested. And even low-endurance drives have way more write endurance than a typical user will ever go through.
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TechPowerUp adds an SSD database, something I've been wishing existed recently: https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/ It seeks to catalogue every SSD and all of their components. For example, the 990 Pro:  It's super useful to have a database with all this info.
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Oh nice, their databases are very handy!
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It's more difficult than it should be to find out if budget drives have DRAM caches on them, that's a really useful page
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this spreadsheet is a fairly useful resource, i think i found it on reddit a while ago: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit
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I was thinking of getting a PCIe4 NVMe drive to take advantage of games starting to use Direct Storage next year. I'm torn between the 2 TB versions of these three guys: Samsung 980 Pro SK Hynix P41 WD Black SN850X The WD Black is the fastest one by like 300 MB only, but I am wondering if there are known issues with any of these, or maybe even something special about one of the other that makes them better than the rest? Also wondering if heatsinks are needed for the faster PCIe4 drives? Broose fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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Broose posted:The WD Black is the fastest one by like 300 MB only, but I am wondering if there are known issues with any of these, or maybe even something special about one of the other that makes them better than the rest? Also wondering if heatsinks are needed for the faster PCIe4 drives? The SK hynix Platinum P41 is the fastest in real testing reviews, it's the one to get. The drive doesn't need a special heatsink, as it will only get hot enough to throttle after extended maximum-speed workloads: quote:The 1TB Platinum P41 idled around 40-45C, measured by SMART and temperature gun, eventually reaching over 80C after we nearly filled the drive with an extended write workload. The drive began to throttle at around 80C, but the write speeds were still high. However, throttling became more serious at 82C+. This is not a realistic workload, but it does indicate a heatsink might be a good addition, particularly in warmer environments. So if your mobo has integrated heatspreader plates for the slot that's more than good enough. And even using it bare, you'll probably never see it get hot enough to be throttled as long as your case has adequate ventilation. The thing about super fast drives is that even though the controllers produce more peak watts, they're done twice as fast.
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idk what it entails but the 850X is supposed to have some DirectStorage optimizations that might give it better performance when that can be properly tested.
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Klyith posted:The SK hynix Platinum P41 is the fastest in real testing reviews, it's the one to get. Thank you, went ahead and bought the p41. Rinkles posted:idk what it entails but the 850X is supposed to have some DirectStorage optimizations that might give it better performance when that can be properly tested. Yeah, decided that even though games might not be able to take advantage of it yet, the amount of how much faster the p41 is should make up for it. The graphs of how the SN850x preforms on "game mode" is couple hundred MB/s slower right now. And in the end I suspect it won't make a substantial difference. And if it does hopefully they will be cheaper by next year's sales. Broose fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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Hynix is also known for power efficiency. I'd go with the P41 too, but it probably doesn't matter much.
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Broose posted:I was thinking of getting a PCIe4 NVMe drive to take advantage of games starting to use Direct Storage next year. just wait until next year when there are actual games that benefit from directstorage and people have measured how much it actually matters. doesn't make sense to buy a drive just for that until then lih fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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I mean at these prices you might as well. It’s not like extra storage won’t be useful in the mean time.
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Rinkles posted:idk what it entails but the 850X is supposed to have some DirectStorage optimizations that might give it better performance when that can be properly tested. This is all marketing BS and doesn't actually mean anything, I'm pretty sure.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:This is all marketing BS and doesn't actually mean anything, I'm pretty sure. It does do one meaningful thing, which is to lower the maximum power that the controller pulls to prevent throttling. Which is why the game mode has lower scores in benchmarks. Because in a hypothetical future where the GPU is streaming textures directly from the SSD, it will be more important to have constant performance and avoid throttle. However, that hypothetical future is still a ways off, and buying hardware for hypothetical future performance is always silly. Also I'm not sure how many textures will need to be streamed by desktop video cards with 10-16 GB of memory. Is one game gonna take up the whole 2TB drive? Seems more like something that will be good for low-end and laptop GPUs.
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In case anyone is still on the fence about the aliexpress 1 TB Sonnambulist "Dragon" motif 2.5 ssds that were going for $33 cdn on 11.11 and $39-ish on cyber monday. Hauls rear end compared to a 12 year old mainstream intel SSD. I've also confirmed that its not just an 8gb promotional trade show flash drive core soldered to a sata shell with a single washer hot glued in to make for convincing PCB weight. 400 Quatloos to whoever can point me towards Sonnambulist's actual website or wechat profile where i can look for bios updates.
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Xi owns all your data now! (Lol jk that looks like a smashing deal)
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There were a few ~$40 1TB ssds from reputable vendors during BF, so it’s not unimaginable. Even a $30 nvme, but that was likely a pricing error.
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shadow puppet of a posted:In case anyone is still on the fence about the aliexpress 1 TB Sonnambulist "Dragon" motif 2.5 ssds that were going for $33 cdn on 11.11 and $39-ish on cyber monday. --edit: I need to read better. --edit: Maybe it's a bigger 128GB thumbdrive and fooled you anyway?
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priznat posted:Xi owns all your data now! The really strange part of this is... how the hell could it tell which drive it is?  (Don't sass me I've finally moved on from my previous setup involving a simultaneous half dozen molex-sata adapters and IDE-Sata adapters. This is my first time running an entirely sata-sata setup. [Yes, I also have a NAS its no prettyer])
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Going to blow a couple of your minds with an obvious after the fact thing…but you don’t need to precondition a zone namespace ssd
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shadow puppet of a posted:Well this was oddly prophetic. It turns out that in the CCP spirit of advancing harmonious and healthy culture, the Sonnamublist drive refuses to co-exist with the drive I use soley to store pornography on. I've tried switching sata ports to no avail, it wont let me see that drive if its connected. Create and Format Disks gives a nondescript initialization error. Unplug the Sonnambulist and degeneracy is back on the menu. jesus what size IDE drives did you have that made that in any way worthwhile
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Fat ribbon cable IDE to sata adatper. Works well with an sub 4tb sata drive when all you've got on your emerging markets-aimed Asus mobo is 2 Sata1, 1 IDE and a single PCI port. If you are truly desperate there is a fascinating world of future-to-past adaption options in the dreg pages of Aliexpress and Amazon.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Well this was oddly prophetic. It turns out that in the CCP spirit of advancing harmonious and healthy culture, the Sonnamublist drive refuses to co-exist with the drive I use soley to store pornography on. I've tried switching sata ports to no avail, it wont let me see that drive if its connected. Create and Format Disks gives a nondescript initialization error. Unplug the Sonnambulist and degeneracy is back on the menu. Only one drive for Porn?! Oh I understand that's what the NAS is for, carry on
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I bought a 2tb WD Blue SSD thinking I would move my smaller boot drive over to it. I cloned over the original drive using Macrium reflect but then decided I would rather just use this as a programs drive and keep my Windows install as is. Problem is disk management is not allowing me to format the new drive, and in Command Prompt as well when I try to clean the drive it says it is not allowed on the disk containing the current boot volume, even though it is not the boot drive, just a clone of it. Is there some software that will allow me to do this?
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