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FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Cyber Sandwich posted:

Post more, please.

I meant the lawyers. Unless you are one of them on the email chain? :raise:

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Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Ugh, watching GHIV go down is making me fidgety. It should go back up pre-merger, yes? I have it at $13 which is a bit above ideal, but them's the breaks.

Deviant fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jan 5, 2021

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe
GHIV has a ton of institutional investment. I'm not worried in the least. Unless you bought in near 14 you're fine. I still think it'll break 15 before the merger.

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



bob dobbs is dead posted:

the real comedy value at calpers is they pick individual stocks for their equity exposure and they fuckin suck at it, alpha fairly negative

they also unwound their left-tail hedge weeks before the coronavirus caused the market to crash, although a lot of people don't really blame them for it because they had been paying a ton of money for something that wasn't generating returns

thats not candy
Mar 10, 2010

Hell Gem

Rolo posted:

Go GIK go!

Make up for past mistakes!

🚀 all options green! 🚀

https://i.imgur.com/01bqVks.mp4

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Oscar Wild posted:

Quoting to show what I'm doing.

Bought the calls back at $0.08 so I made 1.02 per call. Sold jan 15 calls at $28 strike at $0.60. Thats 11 days to expiration.

I really missed the movement up, at one time I was down almost $1.00 per call.

Closed at $0.40. Its called taking profits and I think PLTR is going to creep up to 25 and who knows when it might tear again.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

thinking of getting in on GHIV

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



Deviant posted:

Ugh, watching GHIV go down is making me fidgety. It should go back up pre-merger, yes? I have it at $13 which is a bit above ideal, but them's the breaks.

Had this one on my watch list for a while, pulled the trigger at 12.70 🤷‍♀️

Nitramster
Mar 10, 2006
THERE'S NO TIME!!!
If it stabilizes for a couple of days like it did from Dec 16-18 I'm also thinking about investing a bit more.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

cr0y posted:

Had this one on my watch list for a while, pulled the trigger at 12.70 🤷‍♀️
in at the 12.76 :madmax:

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


since the wealthy own most of the stocks ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States#U.S._stock_market_ownership_distribution ), I added bloomberg wealth to my #fintwit list just to have more awareness of what matters to them.

https://twitter.com/wealth/status/1346536975948460033?s=20

pandemic and economic collapse are so 2020, let's plan a "decadent" overseas vacation already

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

I mean I have similar plans (though definitely not as high on the hog), but I won't put any of them in action until it's safe to do so, even if that means several years.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


saintonan posted:

I mean I have similar plans (though definitely not as high on the hog), but I won't put any of them in action until it's safe to do so, even if that means several years.

yeah. the summary sentence at the end of the tweet just kinda made me think of the arrested development meme,

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008

On a different forum I read, a poster was talking about some ultra-rich "friend of a friend" type acquaintance that the person knows who paid $25,000 for a vaccine last week.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


hmm, if you're wealthy enough to fly on private jets, but you don't own one, what publicly traded companies can you book your private jet trips on?

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



Sand Monster posted:

On a different forum I read, a poster was talking about some ultra-rich "friend of a friend" type acquaintance that the person knows who paid $25,000 for a vaccine last week.

The book keeping on who is getting them is so lovely I really don't think bribing a pharmacist would be that expensive. It's a weird thing that it's the hottest pharma commodity in the world right now but not a controlled substance.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


pmchem posted:

hmm, if you're wealthy enough to fly on private jets, but you don't own one, what publicly traded companies can you book your private jet trips on?
I believe NetJets is the largest one and it's owned by Berkshire.

LODGE NORTH
Jul 30, 2007

Hey all, I don't really know much of anything about stocks. I have a Roth IRA that I set up to suck up some money from my paycheck, but I don't do much else on or with it. However, I want to at least know more so I can utilize stocks to my advantage.

I was watching videos on credit cards, best cash back deals, all that stuff. For one of them, a guy mentions investing the remainder of money on a monthly payment plan (If something is $1200, you get a year-long payment plan of $100p/m, and after the first month's payment, invest the remaining $1100) and how it eventually turns into 15% cash back up from the default 2 or 3%.

Here's the video itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAjzred1s4&t=270s If the timestamp doesn't work, it's the 4 minute 30 second mark.

His simply says "invest it" and "with interest" to detail how his money grows...but I don't know what that means in layman terms. I tried to do some basic searching, but it honestly feels like the whole stocks adventure is made to be confusing. I don't necessarily need someone to hold my hand and tell me "do this and go" but I actually wanna understand what he means and how to then turn what I learn from here (and elsewhere) to make a decision myself on how to invest.

Help from y'all would be super appreciated, but if you guys have any other sources or places I could check out to get a better grip on where to start, that'd be cool too.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/kr5ewm/meet_perspecta_prsp_a_boomer_palantir_that_might/

Is this guy full of poo poo, or does this look like a winner to you guys?

quote:

Thesis: a buyout of PRSP is imminent. January options are where the UOA is placed at. Price target for buyout: $32-33. My position: https://imgur.com/gallery/4DTgF2J

Hey [edited out slur] long time no see I’ve been here for a while and I see no really quality plays out there so here’s one where it involves some good ol’ fashioned DD, some massive unusual options activity and some massive whales that are in a stock that most of you have never heard about, waiting for a buyout that is imminent by January 15 according to the whales’ calls.

Perspecta is a boomer version of Palantir that has a backlog of military and government IT contracts. Spun out of DXC technologies, the company is massively undervalued at 23 bucks a share where it is currently trading. PRSP has been a target of merger and acquisition in the past but there have only been rumors until Jana partners (the massive whale) took a heavy position. Now who tf is Jana?

Jana partners specializes in special-situation strategies (aka they park their money in a company and force them to get bought out). One of their successful plays was none other than Computer Sciences corporation, a company that was merged with HP enterprise to make DXC technologies (you see where I’m going with this? They’ve done this before in the same exact sector with the same exact company that was the parent of Perspecta).

Now, the timing here is key. You wanna buy FD’s with the maximum likelihood of making it. This is where the unusual options kick in. A massive whale has taken a 5500 call position on the january 22.5 strike. More speculative plays have been placed on the 25 strike at 0.7 avg cost (averaging around 200k in premium total in 3-4 sweeps, by my estimate one person has placed 100k of premium). This stock has next to 0 retail interest so I think these options are bought by more sophisticated traders (less than 1000 watchers on stocktwits).

To make things more interesting, Perspecta has leaked that they’re in the process of a potential buyout: https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekin...al-sale-shares.

That news “leak” was right after insiders loaded 90 million dollars worth of shares at 18.87 average. To top it all off, all of the major funds that are heavily invested in prsp (Point72, DE Shaw, Maverick Capital etc) have added heavily to their stakes in the past quarter. This, along with the UOA on options and the heavy coiling of the chart, points to a January buyout.

Perspecta is trading at around 8.2 EBITDA, but average company in this sector is trading at 11.5-12. Given the fact that the CEO has said that shares are undervalued at 25 and that these whales have increased their stakes with an average cost of 23 or so per share, we’re looking at a price target of 32-33 for the potential buyout. The 30 FD’s are currently trading at just 0.1, making this a high reward to risk scenario.

Last but not least, just look at the chart. The amount of coiling resembles all of the buyouts that we’ve seen (such as FLIR as the most recent example). Heavy blocks have been bought everyday at MOC so someone has been building a large stake.

Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jan 5, 2021

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013



Tl;dr is he's full of poo poo. He's shilling a referral link to basically investing in cryptocurrency. The basics of his pitch are "if you were going to buy apple products, instead set up a payment plan, invest the balance in crypto, and make mad $$$ because cryptocurrency only goes up!"

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Gains on money invested in cryptocurrency is not interest, and referring to it as interest really downplays the risk involved with investment.

thats not candy
Mar 10, 2010

Hell Gem
never trust anyone with that severity of youtube thumbnail face!

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

This is the gambling thread. What they're talking about is growth and reinvesting dividends/cash distributions. You should buy like two mutual funds with one being broad based stock like a US index fund or global index fund. These should have low fees and distribute cash to your account like every 3 months or so. Your account should allow you to reinvest these distributions into the same fund, growing your investment.

The other fund you buy should be a bond fund, something like the PIMCO total return fund, ticker PTTRX. but this should likely be a smaller percentage, like 20% if you are younger or can tolerate your investments going up and down a lot to40% if you're older or don't want the volatility. This fund will not do great for the near term but provides regular distributions and is less volatile than a stock fund.

Edit: and after watching 5 seconds of video and given what you said your experience level is I would not recommend attempting what hes saying for you. His argument is that you can overcome the interest payment by investing in something that provides dividends or growth equal to or higher than the interest payment, so if you have a 3% rate your investment AFTER TAXES must be earning 3% return or better.

You should also understand how interest is compounding on that apple card, most dividends yields are annualized and monthly compounding is much different than annualized dividend yields. (Surprise, its worse to have monthly compounding of interest)

Oscar Wild fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jan 5, 2021

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

apple credit card cash advance -> ARYC stock

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Oscar Wild posted:

This is the gambling thread. What they're talking about is growth and reinvesting dividends/cash distributions. You should buy like two mutual funds with one being broad based stock like a US index fund or global index fund. These should have low fees and distribute cash to your account like every 3 months or so. Your account should allow you to reinvest these distributions into the same fund, growing your investment.

The other fund you buy should be a bond fund, something like the PIMCO total return fund, ticker PTTRX. but this should likely be a smaller percentage, like 20% if you are younger or can tolerate your investments going up and down a lot to40% if you're older or don't want the volatility. This fund will not do great for the near term but provides regular distributions and is less volatile than a stock fund.

Considered the first link in the description is to crypto no this is not at all what that video is doing. You provide the better way to do what that video proposes but buying everything on credit with 1 year interest free sounds awfully gambly still. The market (or bitcoin) could easily fall in the short term leaving you with more debt.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

pixaal posted:

Considered the first link in the description is to crypto no this is not at all what that video is doing. You provide the better way to do what that video proposes but buying everything on credit with 1 year interest free sounds awfully gambly still. The market (or bitcoin) could easily fall in the short term leaving you with more debt.

I missed that and edited my response. But thanks for letting me know.

I always think of debt from a psychological as well as numbers perspective because while I can refinance a house at interest only rates or take out money to try to beat that hurdle rate, I find that a more simple and less risky conventional mortgage makes me sleep better at night.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Debt is a useful tool in the presence of certainty, or near certainty. With a diversified portfolio and no time pressure of needing to see returns in the next 5-10 years, you can even use debt as a counterbalance against stocks.

Many people take out a mortgage and use the cash they would have spent paying off their mortgage as capital for target funds and poo poo, effectively leveraging their house for investing in the stock market.

But Cryptocurrency? In a year? No certainty at all. Never take stock market advice from someone who wasn’t around in 08, they only have seen number go up.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Sand Monster posted:

On a different forum I read, a poster was talking about some ultra-rich "friend of a friend" type acquaintance that the person knows who paid $25,000 for a vaccine last week.

I know of a couple who aren't that wealthy and supposedly only had to lean on some connections. One is in healthcare but there's no way either was legitimately part of the first wave. They just know the right people. One of them let it slip during a convo about flying somewhere for work.

e: "couple" as in two people in a relationship

LODGE NORTH
Jul 30, 2007

Many thanks for the help everybody. I think I'll just stick to doing things the old fashioned way.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

jokes posted:

Debt is a useful tool in the presence of certainty, or near certainty. With a diversified portfolio and no time pressure of needing to see returns in the next 5-10 years, you can even use debt as a counterbalance against stocks.

Many people take out a mortgage and use the cash they would have spent paying off their mortgage as capital for target funds and poo poo, effectively leveraging their house for investing in the stock market.

But Cryptocurrency? In a year? No certainty at all. Never take stock market advice from someone who wasn’t around in 08, they only have seen number go up.

Yeah, the strategy kinda assumes that making the break even return is less risky than it actually is. Fluctuations of 5% or more are regular occurances in the market and this seems like taking on risk to eke out a couple hundred dollars.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

LODGE NORTH posted:

Many thanks for the help everybody. I think I'll just stick to doing things the old fashioned way.

Best of luck and there are better threads to learn about investing. Its fun and can make you money but there is always risk and knowing what you don't know is a good way to stay out of trouble.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


saintonan posted:

I mean I have similar plans (though definitely not as high on the hog), but I won't put any of them in action until it's safe to do so, even if that means several years.

Two of my hobbies are a martial art which to see a lot of my friends involves big events and the other is a social dance which involves large groups too. As soon as there are safe ways of doing both I'm stoked, but that's going to be summer of 2022 if we're lucky. For now I'm working on losing covid weight and being in the best shape of my life so when I do return everybody's going to go like "drat, way to glow up".

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!
Viking River Cruises are going to be loaded with vaccinated, upper middle class boomers before the end of the year.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

pmchem posted:

hmm, if you're wealthy enough to fly on private jets, but you don't own one, what publicly traded companies can you book your private jet trips on?

Delta has a private jets arm, that's probably the best you can do.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

pmchem posted:

hmm, if you're wealthy enough to fly on private jets, but you don't own one, what publicly traded companies can you book your private jet trips on?

BRK.B (seriously)

Zypher
Sep 3, 2009

Rutgers

Your 2006
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Champions!
JBLU has a 10% stake in JetSuite

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe
I don't care how high TSLA goes, it's a house of cards and a joke and if I put any money into it, it will immediately collapse as it should have 2 years ago

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

FreelanceSocialist posted:

I know of a couple who aren't that wealthy and supposedly only had to lean on some connections. One is in healthcare but there's no way either was legitimately part of the first wave. They just know the right people. One of them let it slip during a convo about flying somewhere for work.

e: "couple" as in two people in a relationship

I know a few people who work in ancillary positions in 2 different hospitals here (IT and legal) and were both offered the Pfizer vaccine in the first wave. Neither used money or connections to get it.

Sadly, the hospital overestimated the amount of actual frontline healthcare workers that would actually want the vaccine, so then they just opened it to all hospital employees on a first come, first served basis :v:

grope proof vest
Jan 11, 2006




pmchem posted:

hmm, if you're wealthy enough to fly on private jets, but you don't own one, what publicly traded companies can you book your private jet trips on?

People are talking about SPACs in here so check out EXPC. Looks like Uber for helicopters. They have jets too I guess.

https://blade.flyblade.com/

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Girbot
Jan 13, 2009

. . .

Don't ever watch this dude's videos again.

You don't even need to do any math to understand that return on interest when you routinely withdraw principal cannot be higher than the return without withdrawals.

You can't go from 8.6% to 15.31% by withdrawing funds from an interest bearing account.

He didn't subtract the final payment from his calculations.

Girbot fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jan 6, 2021

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