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The Monkey Man
Jun 10, 2012

HERD U WERE TALKIN SHIT
If they really wanted to end things on a downer, they would've ended it with Tomoko screwing her brother out of getting into a good high school. That was depressing as hell because she was actually ruining things for someone else.

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Zettace
Nov 30, 2009

Harettazetta posted:

Shoo-in for my 2013 anime of the year, so far.

I'll miss you, you crazy bastard of a show.

Speaking of 'probably-never-getting-a-second-season', I've tried googling, but I've been unable to come up with a site that shows Blu-Ray sales figures for anime. Just how dire are we talking for Watamote's Blu-Ray preorders/sales?
http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/index_news.cgi
This site puts it under Teekyuu (very low budget anime that could make it's investment back with like 2 sales) and Rokyubu (hahaha, Watamote is hosed).

Million Ghosts
Aug 11, 2011

spooooooky
RIP an actually good current anime.

Great Rumbler
Jan 30, 2013

For I am a dog, you see.
Like Flowers of Evil before it, WATAMOTE anime was too good for this world.

Edward IV
Jan 15, 2006

Well how are manga sales doing?

Remember that Chihayafuru had rather poor DVD/Bluray sales but manga sales significantly increased thanks to the first season and we got a second one as a result. So there may be hope for a second season assuming the manga is selling well.

If not, then oh well. :smith:

Zogundar
Dec 5, 2007
I can't make out much of what the numbers mean on that site, (What does a Star or Circle mean? What do points mean? *edit* Stars are Blu-rays, circles are DVD, circle in a circle is box set) but it looks like it's not actually on sale yet, so.. does that help any?

Plus if we go by this list, Kiniro Mosaic is doing well enough to get infinity seasons, and while that's cute, I find that hard to believe.

Also if you order it by what I think is number of new reservations? it's in 6th place, is that any good? :gbsmith:

Zogundar fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Sep 25, 2013

Zettace
Nov 30, 2009
The first numbers are the estimated sales based on Amazon preorders. The second number is the number of preorders confirmed through the Niconico Marketplace.

And Kiniro Mosaic isn't doing as well as you think. To put it in perspective, Nekomonogatari on that list is expected to make around 30,000 sales while Kiniro is only expected to make around 4k.

Edit: Basically anything with over 5k total sales is certain to get a second season and anything between 3-5k has the possibility. Anything lower than that will have to have outside forces push for the second season like manga sales, merchandise sales or promotion reasons.

Zettace fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Sep 25, 2013

HGH
Dec 20, 2011
I'm not sure I really got that epiphany at the end. Did she finally get over the whole popularity thing and just doesn't care anymore?
I'm not too sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Khagan
Aug 8, 2012

Words cannot describe just how terrible Vietnamese are.
Besides the 'Another' reference, could we say that the running part at the end was in reference to Nichijou?

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

I can make you
worth your weight
in gold!
I don't think I've ever felt as much sympathetic pain while watching an anime as I did while watching this one. It's definitely one of the best anime to come out this year. The ending scene of Tomoko fleeing as the theme song played was the perfect way to end.

HGH posted:

I'm not sure I really got that epiphany at the end. Did she finally get over the whole popularity thing and just doesn't care anymore?
I'm not too sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

I think they were just finishing things off with a glimmer of hope, because not doing so would have been too cruel to her and the viewer.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

HGH posted:

I'm not sure I really got that epiphany at the end. Did she finally get over the whole popularity thing and just doesn't care anymore?
I'm not too sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Nah it ended on a slightly high note but she didn't learn a ton, if this show does somehow get a second season it'll be easy to write her as just going 'wait yea I do care a lot poo poo' because even though she did grow in small steps she's still the same otaku spaz.

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013

That's basically how the manga goes, yes.

VoLaTiLe
Oct 21, 2010

He's Behind you
I saw a section on the NHK news channel today (Japanese news station) in it they spoke about Watamote and that stated the anime has been a massive hit, especially with the western market.

I'm pretty sure they said in response to the wests positive reaction towards the series this has generated quite a bit of hype amoungst Japanese consumers leading to decent sales of the manga.

Maybe I'm clutching at straws but maybe it is not doing as bad as we all think it is, I'm hoping that we could see a second series of this, its nice to see something original in the "school genre" of anime

MadRhetoric
Feb 18, 2011

I POSSESS QUESTIONABLE TASTE IN TOUHOU GAMES
The most interesting thing about that is Japan giving a poo poo about a series' popularity in non-Japan markets outside of "huh, that's a thing".

Great Rumbler
Jan 30, 2013

For I am a dog, you see.

MadRhetoric posted:

The most interesting thing about that is Japan giving a poo poo about a series' popularity in non-Japan markets outside of "huh, that's a thing".

National pride, I guess?

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012

VoLaTiLe posted:

I saw a section on the NHK news channel today (Japanese news station) in it they spoke about Watamote and that stated the anime has been a massive hit, especially with the western market.

I'm pretty sure they said in response to the wests positive reaction towards the series this has generated quite a bit of hype amoungst Japanese consumers leading to decent sales of the manga.

Maybe I'm clutching at straws but maybe it is not doing as bad as we all think it is, I'm hoping that we could see a second series of this, its nice to see something original in the "school genre" of anime

We can always hope. I do really hope this ends up as another Chihayafuru at the very least where the manga sales are driving the anime. As long as we get a second season.

Regardless of a second season, at least we're getting an OVA. :unsmith:

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

MadRhetoric posted:

The most interesting thing about that is Japan giving a poo poo about a series' popularity in non-Japan markets outside of "huh, that's a thing".

Yea I thought outside markets had little real effect on Japanese sales and treatments unless it was a huge thing that went straight up global in success.

EndofGoogle
Nov 22, 2004
page 20 of 100

HGH posted:

I'm not sure I really got that epiphany at the end. Did she finally get over the whole popularity thing and just doesn't care anymore?
I'm not too sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

She accepted herself, sans the clapping/congratulations.

devtesla
Jan 2, 2012


Grimey Drawer

VoLaTiLe posted:

I saw a section on the NHK news channel today (Japanese news station) in it they spoke about Watamote and that stated the anime has been a massive hit, especially with the western market.

Isn't that basically saying "a lot of people are watching it on Crunchyroll"? That might be a big deal for that service if views there are enough to make an impact on the production team.

Of course this is in many ways the Watamote team finding something positive to say, and like, it might not be enough to actually affect what is made, but still, I think it's a cool thing.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Tatum Girlparts posted:

Yea I thought outside markets had little real effect on Japanese sales and treatments unless it was a huge thing that went straight up global in success.

Spike Chunsoft have said that 9 Hours, 9 Persons, 9 Doors wouldn't have gotten a sequel if it wasn't for its success in the west. So western success can save a series struggling in Japan sometimes.

The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

I POSTED WHAT NOW!?

njsykora posted:

Spike Chunsoft have said that 9 Hours, 9 Persons, 9 Doors wouldn't have gotten a sequel if it wasn't for its success in the west. So western success can save a series struggling in Japan sometimes.

Games also do a LOT better in North America and the original devs more than likely get a bigger cut of the pie than anime gives back. In the anime boom, there was several anime that was funded using North American companies money (Kino's Journey I believe, had ADV listed as part of its committee). However, the boom is over and unless it's already a huge series on its own, the amount of money a show can ask top dollar for is very slim (Attack on Titan probably cost Funimation a pretty penny) and there's no way that Watamote is going to be able to fund a second season on North American sales considering the license has already been paid for and royalties/bonuses, if even there are any, are going to amount for jack poo poo in the long run.

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

What's up with her classmates being freaked out at her killing a cockroach? Is that a Japanese thing? Where I grew up in the States and where I've lived in China everyone would have A) Ignored the thing and B) Killed it if they didn't ignore it.

As far as outside markets go, this show seems super unpopular in China. I work in an incredibly nerdy office (though anime is a whole lot more "mainstream" here as a whole) where people have Gundams on their desks and talk about attack on titan all day but I mentioned this once to a friend and she pretty much went "ahhhh that show is terrible don't watch it!" and no one else had even heard of it.

Though for reference, if Chinese streamviews are to be reliable Chinese audiences have amazing taste and just can't get enough To Love Ru sequels.

Ailumao fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Sep 26, 2013

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Magna Kaser posted:

What's up with her classmates being freaked out at her killing a cockroach? Is that a Japanese thing? Where I grew up in the States and where I've lived in China everyone would have A) Ignored the thing and B) Killed it if they didn't ignore it.

As far as outside markets go, this show seems super unpopular in China. I work in an incredibly nerdy office (though anime is a whole lot more "mainstream" here as a whole) where people have Gundams on their desks and talk about attack on titan all day but I mentioned this once to a friend and she pretty much went "ahhhh that show is terrible don't watch it!" and no one else had even heard of it.

I think the freak out is more over the gleeful way she killed it, than that she killed it at all. Also that she's a girl, and the gossipers are girls.

I suspect that the Tomoko experience is utterly, completely alien to the Chinese single-child/academic hothouse/massive-socio-economic-change environment. To the Chinese view, Tomoko is (a) incredibly spoilt and/or rich to have a personal computer and TV and games console, (b) outright breaking the law by having access to pornographic material, and (c) living in an unbelievably lax school, since she never worries about exams or homework, (d) really lucky and/or is breaking the law to have Tomoki actually exist at all.

So instead of being sympathetic, or at least pathetic, the series is First World Problems: The Anime.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Sep 26, 2013

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Fangz posted:

So instead of being sympathetic, or at least pathetic, the series is First World Problems: The Anime.

This is basically how a Chinese friend of mine described it. She thought it was interesting but couldn't get past the thought of 'she has her own computer and TV and poo poo, and doesn't constantly stress over exams? What is she bitching about not going to cafes for?'

snucks
Nov 3, 2008

Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

Fangz posted:

So instead of being sympathetic, or at least pathetic, the series is First World Problems: The Anime.
Watamote reminds me a lot of Girls, but I can actually sympathize with Tomoko because by American standards she's a child, not a womanchild. Being bratty and shielding yourself from social anxiety and blooming sexuality through videogames/tv/internet is par for the course with pretty much any American teenager, and it's interesting to see a different culture deal with our same problems in different ways.

snucks fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Sep 27, 2013

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013

New Manga episode... not really, it's an Omake.

It is relevant as it mostly tells us what the creators thought about the production of the anime. "We are really sorry that you have to do this"

There's also a two-page for the main story. It is pretty funny and pretty goddamn disturbing...

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Is 48 the last chapter of the manga? If it is I just finished it and now desperately need more in my life. Now I want the show to get a second season even more because somehow stuff gets even better in the chapters after the first season's.

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
The manga is ongoing, but it's technically an online comic. The Omake came from the published version of Volume 5 which came out on the 21st. Chapter 48 was out on the 19th.

http://www.ganganonline.com/comic/watashiga/:pcgaming:

Dehry fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Sep 27, 2013

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Yea that was dumb I meant last released chapter, just making sure the site I was on wasn't behind or anything.

.Clash
Apr 10, 2009
Oh wow.



I'm sure it will look great where ever you choose display it. http://mikatan.goodsmile.info/en/2013/09/30/nendoroid-kuroko-tomoki/

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Nendoroid has really hit it out of the park lately with this and the Colossal Titan. First time I've actually wanted to buy any of the drat things if I could justify spending the fairly ridiculous sums on them.

A Major Fucker
Mar 10, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
To me, the most interesting thing about this show is the hentai. Because of the central premise that Tomoko is unloveable, it would be out of character for men to be loving her, even if they have no faces. So there's a disproportionate amount of solo and ecchi. Some also use loopholes by making the men disgusted as they gently caress, or by having the scenario be something she's imagining in a thought bubble. Some of it doesn't consider this at all, and it's always of the worst quality, as if these considerations go along with the general thoughtfulness one needs to make good art.

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Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



What?

Stall_19
Jan 2, 2013

Prodigy of Victor von Doom
Ignore him, he's a troll who will be banned very soon.

A Major Fucker
Mar 10, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Normally in hentai, you would expect the main character to be having sex, yes? But since it's Tomoko, that would be strange. So the various approaches hentai artists take to this problem are interesting.

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Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


How did you get unbanned?

A Major Fucker
Mar 10, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pollyanna posted:

How did you get unbanned?

The mods realized that I hadn't been trolling and unbanned me.

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012

A Major Fucker posted:

The mods realized that I hadn't been trolling and unbanned me.

If you aren't trolling that makes it worse. I didn't realize anyone could unironically compare Watamote to hentai, yet here you are. This is a comedy show about a socially incompetent girl, not porn or even a parody of porn.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005
Why the hell are you replying to someone already on probation?

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Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



I really want to believe he copied that post from somewhere else where people are having intricate and verbose discussions about how particular anime porn is decidedly bizarre sue to the nature of the source material I have a PhD in anime please like and reblog these important issues

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