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Pararoid posted:So this is finally getting some coverage in national news: http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/health/chch-mental-health-funding-slashed-despite-overwhelming-demand/ Funding across the board is horrible. We waited a year for consults & tests to confirm what my partner had, which is what we thought it was anyway. She was rejected for consults, put on the waiting list, upgraded to semi-urgent and then urgent after multiple ED trips. That's in addition to her PTSD/Anxiety, and tbh while I probably should avail myself of some of this mental health stuff I don't really see a point where there's already not enough to go around.
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fong posted:I love any sign of division in the national party~ Probably the only prominent NZer who would let John Key get near enough to give him the award at this point
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Feb 18, 2016 06:35
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Somfin posted:Probably the only prominent NZer who isn't awaiting trial
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Feb 18, 2016 10:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSwb4o4c4io This is like a who's who of old tories lol
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Feb 18, 2016 10:33
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John Drinnan on Twitter: "Who would have thought come to a bunch of Lefties fighting to keep the Union Jack and Dame Jenny Shipley lambasting colonial legacies."
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Feb 18, 2016 10:44
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Exclamation Marx posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSwb4o4c4io My favourite bit is the Vietnam vet who says 'I fought for the country and my mates, not for the flag', it sounds like a defense of the status quo more than anything else.
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Feb 18, 2016 10:46
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Tinkly background music is like the #1 sign that something is evil
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Feb 18, 2016 10:56
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National party campaigning is so clichéd at this point. It's like their answer to everything is "more rugby" http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/dan-carter-joins-campaign-to-change-flag-2016021808#axzz40ABybdsT quote:Rugby World Cup hero Dan Carter is trying to boot the current New Zealand flag into touch after backing the campaign to replace it.
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Feb 18, 2016 10:57
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Exclamation Marx posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSwb4o4c4io This is the video that dares to posit that we need to discard the Union Jack as a relic of the colonial age while glossing over the question of discarding our actual very real status as a colony, then dares to ask what is more "independently" and "authentically" New Zealand than the Southern Cross, a motif shared with four other countries that is so rooted in the colonial age that it's been used a sobriquet for the colonists of those countries. Come on New Zealand, let's put a band-aid shaped like a Silver Fern on our flag so we can feel better about the fact that the poo poo bitter fruit that are the failures of the last decade of governance are finally beginning to bud.
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Feb 18, 2016 11:46
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Varkk posted:John Drinnan on Twitter: "Who would have thought come to a bunch of Lefties fighting to keep the Union Jack and Dame Jenny Shipley lambasting colonial legacies." Can someone explain this sentence to me because I don't understand it at all
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Feb 18, 2016 12:56
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Wafflecopper posted:Can someone explain this sentence to me because I don't understand it at all He is saying that it's ironic that left-wingers, who are usually anti-imperialists, are supporting the ensign with the Union Jack over a new flag; and that it is also ironic that Dame Jenny Shipley, former National party leader, Prime Minister, and right-winger, is supporting a change away from the current flag because of its "colonial legacy". He isn't wrong.
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Feb 18, 2016 13:34
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It really doesn't seem to be a particularly partisan thing, I have lefty friends holding opinions across the board on it. There are lots and lots of reasons to support or resist the flag change
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Feb 18, 2016 14:15
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thanks also when did shipley become a dame
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Feb 18, 2016 14:37
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Isn't the silver fern a relic of our colonial past anyway? Didn't the British pick it as the plant to symbolize this country?
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Feb 18, 2016 19:07
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Yes, if you wanted a plant to symbolise the Maori heritage the koru spiral would be a better choice. Also the star formation which meant something to Maori would be Matariki. Basically the new flag design is still colonial poo poo.
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Feb 18, 2016 19:13
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If we change now, we will have that "brand" (ugh) for a long long time. If we vote to stay with the current flag, we could do it again next year, but get a good alternative instead.
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Feb 18, 2016 19:13
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klen dool posted:If we change now, we will have that "brand" (ugh) for a long long time. If we vote to stay with the current flag, we could do it again next year, but get a good alternative instead. We really couldn't. Key got away with everything from lying to sexual assault without a dent in his popularity and this is what hosed him. No politician will touch the flag issue in the next 200 years.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:17
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Infotainment! posted:We really couldn't. Key got away with everything from lying to sexual assault without a dent in his popularity and this is what hosed him. No politician will touch the flag issue in the next 200 years. What makes you say Key has lost popularity over the flag?
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Feb 19, 2016 00:27
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klen dool posted:What makes you say Key has lost popularity over the flag? Ten national politicians left who give a gently caress, every single flag change poll, even the loving Herald making fun of him.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:53
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Infotainment! posted:Ten national politicians left who give a gently caress, every single flag change poll, even the loving Herald making fun of him. Curia is showing support for keeping current flag has dropped to 55% from close to 70% a few months ago so it's not quite as clear cut as it was.
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Feb 19, 2016 01:18
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Dull breaking news.. https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/30863338/top-kiwi-actress-dies-suddenly/ Not to be all "Internet" but.. who? Is she really one of our most famous actors? am I really that out of touch?
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Feb 19, 2016 01:53
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Um, I'm going to say that yes, you are out of touch; I thought she was awesome in The Insider's Guide to Happiness. Although to be fair, her father is 'more' famous. But you know, feel welcome to be a dick about the unexpected death of a 39 year old.
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Feb 19, 2016 02:37
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Thank you for implicitly condoning being a dick about the expected deaths of 39 year olds.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:18
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Noxin of Shame posted:Um, I'm going to say that yes, you are out of touch; I thought she was awesome in The Insider's Guide to Happiness. Although to be fair, her father is 'more' famous. I didn't know who she was either and I think you might be projecting a little hard there mate.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:22
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:I didn't know who she was either and I think you might be projecting a little hard there mate. Was IGtH the one with the girl who won the lotto and the guy who was a reincarnation of the Buddha or the one where the guy was all hosed up because he had eaten his twin in the womb?
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Feb 19, 2016 04:30
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Noxin of Shame posted:
Yeah, I'm being a dick about a comment saying one of our "greatest actors" has died unexpectedly, and then that person turning out to be someone I've never heard of. But yeah, I have to say I honestly don't care someone I've never heard of has died.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:41
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504 posted:But yeah, I have to say I honestly don't care someone I've never heard of has died. You should work on having empathy for other people, so that society can benefit from having you in it.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:43
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When you say something like "ONE OF OUR GREATEST ACTORS" and 90% of people go "Who?" They aren't one of our greatest actors. Now if like, Anna Pacquin had died, then yeah, because people here and outside NZ know who she is.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:43
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Varkk posted:Yes, if you wanted a plant to symbolise the Maori heritage the koru spiral would be a better choice. Also the star formation which meant something to Maori would be Matariki. This sums up my feelings on it pretty well as a leftist who doesn't support the "new" flag. I'd love a flag change, but it's just insulting that they're trying to force-feed us what is essentially the exact same flag. "Let's just get rid of the Union Jack, that's the only problem people had with it, right?" klen dool posted:If we change now, we will have that "brand" (ugh) for a long long time. If we vote to stay with the current flag, we could do it again next year, but get a good alternative instead. This is what my dad hopes, but I'm with the people that think if it doesn't change we're stuck with the old one for another century. If it does change we're stuck with the new one for another century. No good outcome here. Hopefully we're just pessimists. Maybe if a group of dedicated people got a good flag idea, a lot of public support and pushed it through as a referendum under another government it might work. But as John Key's vanity project it was never going to be anything other than terrible.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:55
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Yeah, but if someone dies, and she is one of the countries most well known actresses (which she is), then it's ok to say that she's well known. It's not ok to say that it's dull.mirthdefect posted:Was IGtH the one with the girl who won the lotto and the guy who was a reincarnation of the Buddha or the one where the guy was all hosed up because he had eaten his twin in the womb? Nah, it was the one with the haemophiliac and the ghost.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:When you say something like "ONE OF OUR GREATEST ACTORS" and 90% of people go "Who?" They aren't one of our greatest actors. If one of our greatest authors or painters died then 90% of the population would be "who?".
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Feb 19, 2016 05:44
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Varkk posted:If one of our greatest authors or painters died then 90% of the population would be "who?". Agreed because they all suck poo poo, just like our actors and musicians
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Feb 19, 2016 05:45
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Is popularity or fame really a good measure of greatness.
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Feb 19, 2016 05:57
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Varkk posted:If one of our greatest authors or painters died then 90% of the population would be "who?". Unless it was Anna Pacquin, it which case it would be "The chick with the teeth".
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Agreed because they all suck poo poo, just like our actors and musicians Okay this is a bad opinion. We have a lot of excellent music here in NZ, and a lot of excellent musicians, and just like everywhere in the world the popular music sucks balls. As for actors, I don't have an opinion because I don't know enough about it. I can't imagine it would be any different though, I've seen heaps of kiwi films and the actors are fine. Note, I am not saying "plucky little Nz punches above its weight", I am saying "normal little Nz is similar to the rest of the world".
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Feb 19, 2016 06:13
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klen dool posted:You should work on having empathy for other people, so that society can benefit from having you in it. Oh come on. Don't be so precious. Some random person died who happened to be an actress - random people die every day in all kinds of circumstances. It sucks for them and for everyone who knows them but if I got weepy about everyone who died I'd be unable to get out of bed in the morning. If my mother died I wouldn't expect some random cunts on the internet to feel sad for me - and I talk to you people. e: it sucked when Bowie died, for example, but it hardly ruined my day or anything as dramatic as that and I actually like and know who Bowie is/was.
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Feb 19, 2016 06:17
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Yeah but did you link articles on his death to the internet to mention that actually he was kind of over-rated for the last couple of decades so who cares.
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Ghostlight posted:Yeah but did you link articles on his death to the internet to mention that actually he was kind of over-rated for the last couple of decades so who cares. If only someone had actually done this.
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Slavvy posted:Oh come on. Don't be so precious. Some random person died who happened to be an actress - random people die every day in all kinds of circumstances. It sucks for them and for everyone who knows them but if I got weepy about everyone who died I'd be unable to get out of bed in the morning. If my mother died I wouldn't expect some random cunts on the internet to feel sad for me - and I talk to you people. I am not suggesting you should "get weepy" about "everyone" who died. I am suggesting that if someone mentions that "So and so died" and you literally don't care then you lack some empathy, and it would be better for everyone if you had more empathy. This attitude is how wars can start and continue.
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