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Tricky Dick Nixon posted:Voting in a reactionary government can very well result in us backtracking social and political reforms and antagonizing rebels, which seems a bad idea as well. I'm voting less on an idea of what is optimal though and more what I think would result in more interesting play and priorities, because like with Palermo, the Sepoys, and soon the Scramble for Africa, I feel Al-Andalus will never be interesting as a continental power, and we'll only really be able to punch above our weight if we go for opportunities abroad. Hmmm, there aren't any communist POPs to devestate yet, so that'd be bad. Anyway we'll have Palermo soon (could've had it sphered without infamy?), with the Royalists we should be able to retake even Sicily. Unless it's too late and Morocco balances their army while keeping up in miltech... Hopefully France brings their fleet south, and answers our call to arms. rarx fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Mirdini posted:L-F is only really disastrous later in the game when you have a really large industrial base, as-is it might hurt us a bit but the benefit of getting commerce + naval techs should outweigh that. Yeah, this. L-F isn't great by any means, but consider that the price for not having it is not being set up for grabbing African colonies, which are great sources for resources (especially rubber, which will be the #1 resource come the 1910s) and markets for products. People are overstating how much laissez faire is going to hurt us.
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Imperialists Gotta be consistent.
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Royalists This isn't about economics, but morality. We cannot have our Sultans beheld to the whims of complacent lap-dogs, money-minded capitalists or rabid revolutionaries. Instead, the wise Majlis will guide his hand for the betterment of all.
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Jul 12, 2018 11:39
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Royalists and gently caress you, too, France!
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Jul 12, 2018 12:59
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Royalists, we need to capitalize on our military advantage, increase it during the truce then strike. Unite Iberia! Then, maybe, the imperialists might be suitable.
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Jul 12, 2018 13:45
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It’s gonna be hilarious when the imperialists win, Morocco catches up on army tech and destroys us in the next war, and LF wrecks our economy so much we can’t afford to colonize.
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punched my v-card at camp posted:It’s gonna be hilarious when the imperialists win, Morocco catches up on army tech and destroys us in the next war, and LF wrecks our economy so much we can’t afford to colonize. I'm counting 45 for the Royalists, 37 for the Imperialists, and 3 for the Moderates
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imperialists hail satan let's not give our figurehead king actual power plz
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Oh btw, we should start fabricating cores on Sicily soon, or we'll be wasting infamy reduction.
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punched my v-card at camp posted:It’s gonna be hilarious when the imperialists win, Morocco catches up on army tech and destroys us in the next war, and LF wrecks our economy so much we can’t afford to colonize. The invisible hand of God shall guide our markets to prosperity
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rarx posted:Oh btw, we should start fabricating cores on Sicily soon, or we'll be wasting infamy reduction. Direct control over things in Vicky 2, the eu4 players itt are in for a trip
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Yeah honestly, if we have to intervene in Sicily what we should do is bring it to our sphere of influence. Straight up conquering the place is an awful idea that will give us a headache in the future when sicilian nationalists inevitably revolt. Save our troops for reconquering Iberia. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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People keep acting like the Imperialists aren't *also* going to kick Morocco while it's down and get Iberia back, but that is again explicitly in their wheelhouse. The primary things we won't get with the imperialists that we might get with the Royalists is going for Mediterranean islands, and MAYBE the other side of the straits. I don't think those acquisitions are worth sinking our chances of getting some of those good good tropical resources for the late game. Agean90 posted:Direct control over things in Vicky 2, the eu4 players itt are in for a trip ah yes, the classic Vicky 2 mechanic of fabricating cores For the EU4 players in this thread who think we're still playing EU4, there is no such thing as fabricating cores in Vicky 2. That's why getting cores in the Congress was such a big deal - the only way you get cores in Vicky 2 is by event. Apart from Hashim modding those events in, the only other way to get cores is a generic event that opens up after an 1850 cultural tech is researched with a MTTH of 10 years, and requires a (non-colonial only) state to either border a core state already or be majority primary or accepted culture. So unless we somehow start accepting Sicilian etc., we'll never be able to core the Italian possessions people are so hungry for. And I'm willing to bet we missed our chance there by not intervening in the Palermo coup (though, reinstating the Jizrunids doesn't sound like it would lead to us accepting Sicilian anyway). Mirdini fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Eh screw it, after sleeping on it I'll switch from Royalists to Imperialists. LF is utterly pants-on-head retarded and I am still very wary, but I just realized we have yet to research one single Commerce tech which is... uh, let's go with "not good" as the understatement of the century.
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These both look like bad options for different reasons, which is more likely to be the accelerationist course?
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Jul 12, 2018 15:43
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GunnerJ posted:These both look like bad options for different reasons, which is more likely to be the accelerationist course? Probably "outdated factories and reactionary policies" rather than "completely insolvent factories and progressive policies." That said, 1) it's a bit of a toss-up regardless and 2) accelerationism has not gone quite as intended for Andalusia, historically speaking.
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I would switch to Imperialists because the “if we don’t research the necessities for colonies now we won’t be able to scramble” argument is quite persuasive but Laissez Faire really doesn’t seem worth the risk.
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Mirdini posted:People keep acting like the Imperialists aren't *also* going to kick Morocco while it's down and get Iberia back, but that is again explicitly in their wheelhouse.
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Hm. Imperialists.
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GunnerJ posted:These both look like bad options for different reasons, which is more likely to be the accelerationist course? The Liberals are the ones who want to actually pass reforms like letting poors vote and a free press and all that. While it might not be accelerationist per se, a Liberal government is much more likely to meet the birth of socialism with a shrug and ignore Marx while he sets up newspapers all over the place while the Reactionaries are gonna fight it tooth and nail.
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Captain Oblivious posted:I would switch to Imperialists because the “if we don’t research the necessities for colonies now we won’t be able to scramble” argument is quite persuasive but Given that we're 20 years into the game with Moderate rule and Hashim never got the Mechanical Production tech, I'm not sure our factories are really something we're ever going to get off the ground. LF will almost certainly bankrupt all our factories, but at the moment it looks like they're pretty much just "places we keep open so people have somewhere to work" rather than centers of actually doing stuff.
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also lol at people worrying about factories. It's like 1865 and out literacy is poo poo, we probably only have like 2 factories anyway.
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Patter Song posted:Given that we're 20 years into the game with Moderate rule and Hashim never got the Mechanical Production tech, I'm not sure our factories are really something we're ever going to get off the ground. LF will almost certainly bankrupt all our factories, but at the moment it looks like they're pretty much just "places we keep open so people have somewhere to work" rather than centers of actually doing stuff. Truly V2 economics are inscrutable nonsense
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Ah gently caress it. Changing my vote to Imperialists
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Agean90 posted:also lol at people worrying about factories. It's like 1865 and out literacy is poo poo, we probably only have like 2 factories anyway. 
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