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Tekopo posted:The news that most if not all of the art for Scythe is traced is pretty Source?
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May 9, 2018 17:13
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Jedit posted:On the subject of which, Wonderdice have shut down preorders for their plagiarised Alien game and replaced their homepage with a badly written "coming soon" message. I enjoy that even though stealing board game ideas is technically legal, its has resulted in so much bad press they have been punished for it anyway. I guess mob justice does work.
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May 9, 2018 17:14
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al-azad posted:Source?
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May 9, 2018 17:19
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al-azad posted:Source? 
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May 9, 2018 17:20
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Jedit posted:On the subject of which, Wonderdice have shut down preorders for their plagiarised Alien game and replaced their homepage with a badly written "coming soon" message. Haha. Good. Tekopo posted:The news that most if not all of the art for Scythe is traced is pretty drat, that’s pretty  Like, there’s nothing wrong with doing composite work and using elements to create something new and awesome but that is definitely on the straight “copy and paste with a filter on it” level and portraying it as original paintings is really disingenuous.
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May 9, 2018 17:26
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My suggestion for Jamaica is to houserule it so you only have to pay the cost on the first spot you move to (after both cards are factored in). That way it's way less punitive. I enjoy the game but I realize it's a lightweight roll-and-move without a ton of strategy. It's a good game to play when no one really wants to think, or to introduce family members who have only played Monopoly to board games.
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May 9, 2018 17:29
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Rutibex posted:I enjoy that even though stealing board game ideas is technically legal, its has resulted in so much bad press they have been punished for it anyway. I guess mob justice does work. It works when the law isn't moral 
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May 9, 2018 17:32
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Bottom Liner posted:drat, that’s pretty Its just lazy. If you are going to trace things at the very least find some photos from a book at the library, or something that can't be easily found with google image search.
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May 9, 2018 17:35
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Tekopo posted:The news that most if not all of the art for Scythe is traced is pretty This explains the new edition of Scythe with new art assets. https://stonemaiergames.com/games/my-little-scythe/
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May 9, 2018 17:37
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FulsomFrank posted:It's a really neat little game that flies under the radar. Often on sale too, if you can get it at a cheap price and are interested in a semi-abstract chain economy game with tile laying, this could be for you. I really recommend watching some videos about it first though because it is not for everyone. The main caveat regarding King Chocolate is that it's the archetypal dust-dry Euro. It's a good game and quite clever, but it's also an almost completely abstract cube-pusher with the very thinnest veneer of theme.
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May 9, 2018 17:38
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Man, it bugs me when people present an argument and say essentially "He's probably going to deny it, but it's true". It weakens the argument when something like that is said. That said, sucks. Especially for Stonemaier Games, who have to deal with this fallout.
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May 9, 2018 17:39
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Sucks for that video game that licensed his art/world building too. I think it also raised a ton of money on KS. Wonder what implications if any this will have for Scythe digital and the coming Rise of Fenrir expansion.
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May 9, 2018 17:44
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Hah, reminds me of this one from Libertalia.  original artwork do not steal
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May 9, 2018 17:51
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I don't think anything's really going to come out of this. There's a comic book artist, Greg Land, who's infamous for tracing and he's managed to maintain his popularity. Bonus points: he usually traces porn.
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May 9, 2018 17:54
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Jedit posted:The main caveat regarding King Chocolate is that it's the archetypal dust-dry Euro. It's a good game and quite clever, but it's also an almost completely abstract cube-pusher with the very thinnest veneer of theme. It’s a good game but it plays NOTHING like Feudum.
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May 9, 2018 17:55
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Lorini posted:It’s a good game but it plays NOTHING like Feudum. I do not understand this reply to me.
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May 9, 2018 18:01
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King Choclate was brought up as similar to Feudum. Go back a page or two.
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May 9, 2018 18:05
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I finally got T&E last week and I agree with Tekopo: it is highly thematic from a birds eye view in the same way Trajan is and it is a fantastic game. The fracturing of kingdoms and the internal strife from theological differences is fantastic. I was looking for "the" tile placement game for a long time and I knew it was in front of me and never got it until now.
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May 9, 2018 18:07
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Lorini posted:King Choclate was brought up as similar to Feudum. Go back a page or two. Ah, right. I haven't played Feudum so can't comment on that and didn't see the connection.
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May 9, 2018 18:10
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Chill la Chill posted:I finally got T&E last week and I agree with Tekopo: it is highly thematic from a birds eye view in the same way Trajan is and it is a fantastic game. The fracturing of kingdoms and the internal strife from theological differences is fantastic. I was looking for "the" tile placement game for a long time and I knew it was in front of me and never got it until now. I love tile laying games, and just played T&E for the first time last week. I got the same feeling. I told my friends that we could have been playing this amazing game for twenty years now, why did it take so long?
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May 9, 2018 18:11
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Ravendas posted:I love tile laying games, and just played T&E for the first time last week. I got the same feeling. I told my friends that we could have been playing this amazing game for twenty years now, why did it take so long?  My group brought out El Grande to the board game meetup last week. People came by when they saw the giant tower and were actually intrigued. It's nice when an old game still strikes people's fancy when they get so blindsided by all the new stuff (which aren't necessarily superior).
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May 9, 2018 18:15
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Ravendas posted:I love tile laying games, and just played T&E for the first time last week. I got the same feeling. I told my friends that we could have been playing this amazing game for twenty years now, why did it take so long? I played it two years ago at a cafe and my GF and I both bounced right off it. Got it cheeeeap off a weird spur of the moment Amazon sale around Christmas and have been wanting to try it again. Something about it just didn't click at all between us though so it's an uphill battle I think.
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May 9, 2018 18:25
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It's really sad that Asmodee seems to have dropped Descent 2. We've not had a proper update for a year and 5 months now. I do wish they'd say when stuff was stopping. I feel like I check the FFG site every week and 90% of the updates are just new things for their endless supply of bloody card games.
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May 9, 2018 18:27
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FulsomFrank posted:I played it two years ago at a cafe and my GF and I both bounced right off it. Got it cheeeeap off a weird spur of the moment Amazon sale around Christmas and have been wanting to try it again. Something about it just didn't click at all between us though so it's an uphill battle I think. It is terrible with 2 players. Play Go at that point. I'm serious. My friend and I liked thirsty twerps deluxe and the whole time we were thinking we should've just played Go.
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May 9, 2018 18:28
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FulsomFrank posted:I played it two years ago at a cafe and my GF and I both bounced right off it. Got it cheeeeap off a weird spur of the moment Amazon sale around Christmas and have been wanting to try it again. Something about it just didn't click at all between us though so it's an uphill battle I think. Yeah it doesn't seem like it would be super fun with 2 unless both players were really into it. We played it with three, and there was enough chaos and emerging kingdoms that it was fun to take your own turns, and see what your opponents were doing.
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May 9, 2018 18:30
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FulsomFrank posted:I played it two years ago at a cafe and my GF and I both bounced right off it. Got it cheeeeap off a weird spur of the moment Amazon sale around Christmas and have been wanting to try it again. Something about it just didn't click at all between us though so it's an uphill battle I think. The app really helps, just grind out a handful of games knowing you’re going to make a really dumb move at some point that will cost you the game, but you’ll enjoy it more with each game. It is super punishing though, and playing from behind usually feels like an impossible task. Edit: I’ve mostly played at 2 and like it, though that obviously informed my above opinion about it being so brutal. At 4 it’s so much to consider that it feels like a different game. 3 feels like a sweet spot.
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May 9, 2018 18:33
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Henker posted:I don't think anything's really going to come out of this. There's a comic book artist, Greg Land, who's infamous for tracing and he's managed to maintain his popularity. Bonus points: he usually traces porn. Greg Land sucks but he does license the art he traces and has a studio where he photographs models. There's also a webcomic that's all photo manipulated (beautiful apocalypse or something, it stars a gas mask wearing guy in an SS uniform). If I actually played Scythe I probably would've scrutinized the dude's work more closely because I can spot that poo poo a mile away especially that Geralt drawing holy poo poo. Don't trace a character from a game that sold 10 million copies.
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May 9, 2018 18:35
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al-azad posted:Greg Land sucks but he does license the art he traces and has a studio where he photographs models. Is this a recent development? This is how I remember Greg Land, before I stopped buying anything he did - 
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May 9, 2018 18:48
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This is like that thing where goons made porn images SFW and uhh idk how to feel about it. Probably bad because  at tracing for comic book art
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May 9, 2018 19:25
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Is this a recent development? This is how I remember Greg Land, before I stopped buying anything he did - Once it became a big controversy he said he goes through the effort of using reference material, either from public domain or licenses. Coincidentally this occurred around the time Disney bought Marvel.
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May 9, 2018 19:26
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canyoneer posted:Hah, reminds me of this one from Libertalia. Come play, my lord.
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May 9, 2018 19:55
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Jamey Stegmaier posted in defense of the guy and it's really pissing me off because people are coming out the woodwork to say "all artists trace." No they loving don't and gently caress Jamey for furthering the devaluation of artists in a world where Google image search has reduced original works to a right click and save.
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May 9, 2018 20:04
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That is Jamey's cash cow, he has to defend it.
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May 9, 2018 20:08
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Jamey Stegmaier responded to the art story with a pretty meh defense of it allquote:Hi! I’m Jamey Stegmaier, the designer and publisher of Scythe, which features the art and worldbuilding of Jakub Rozalski. I thought I would share my personal perspective here and on the other threads on this topic. Calling it all reference photo use and completely ignoring some of the 1:1 elements because his game is built around the art is pretty off putting. The artist left this comment on his Artstation page 2 hours ago quote:I would like to especially harmly welcome all good friends and fans from... Reddit, lol! smiley How timely. Here's a better example at how egregious it was. Some of these are really obvious copy - paste - filter hack jobs  the worst yet vs his fake rear end tutorial:  gently caress this clown and gently caress Jamey Stegmaier for being spineless about it Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 20:22 on May 9, 2018 |
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May 9, 2018 20:08
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My mind keeps going to the scene in Chasing Amy where Jason Lee's character (a comic inker) is mocked for being a tracer. The situation sucks but the aggressiveness of the Reddit post really puts me off for some reason.
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May 9, 2018 20:28
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One thing I've always disliked about Rozalski's art was that he tends to compose every image the exact same way. Huge looming thing in the background, person with their back to the camera in foreground. Makes a lot more sense now if was just tracing everything the whole time.
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May 9, 2018 20:33
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Ok anyway, in conclusion they need to make a board game based on Simon Stalenhag's stuff instead (yes I know they made a TTRPG).
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May 9, 2018 20:44
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Well, that sucks. Make a new edition illustrated by Keith Thompson , he's even done stuff in the same vein (god I love his art so much there needs to be a game/rpg setting/video game based on it)
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May 9, 2018 20:46
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I don't care about whether an artist is demonstrating skill; I don't care about "cheating" or something. But he should have credited sources for the material he re-used. Not doing so here is awful, Sirlin sort of territory (even if it's probably not legally actionable), and this should prompted a proper apology (and promise of compensation to original sources) out of Jamie instead of the mealy-mouthed "everybody does it" nonsense. I think Jamie generally has benefited from a good reputation, and this kind of dismissiveness is not a good look right now.
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