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Spoiler alert: EULA's are not actually legally binding contracts. They don't hold up in court.
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Aug 11, 2018 16:31
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Blast of Confetti posted:but if it's unopened he hasn't clicked i agree to anything True, that's one more reason this would likely be laughed out of court if Bethesda actually tried.
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Aug 11, 2018 16:32
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beep by grandpa posted:I don't know poo poo about the law but why can Bethesda determine who sells their own property? Is it not the seller's to do with as they please? I thought only Japan had real strict rules about reselling games. Read the linked article; their justification smells like BS to me but they (and their legal representation, which has a section on their website advertising to companies their ability to stop software resellers) claim that by reselling a game without providing a warranty you're basically selling a "modified version" of that product which means you're no longer covered by the first sale doctrine that lets you legally resell stuff you own. Again, bullshit, but that's their claim and they say there's legal precedent for it
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Aug 11, 2018 16:33
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I said come in! posted:Spoiler alert: EULA's are not actually legally binding contracts. They don't hold up in court. Hey man did I loving stutter? I said that when in my first post about EULAs. It doesn't mean that companies like Beth won't swing their dicks around trying to intimidate people with the language therein.
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Aug 11, 2018 16:33
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DrNutt posted:Hey man did I loving stutter? I said that when in my first post about EULAs. It doesn't mean that companies like Beth won't swing their dicks around trying to intimidate people with the language therein. Yeah notices to individuals are all SCARY LEGAL WORDS. It's all well and good to  this doesn't hold up in court. Until a team of 100 lawyers fucks with you and your only recourse is to spend your life savings on A lawyer and hope.Not cool. Still gonna buy doom eternal day one tbh. Sorry
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Aug 11, 2018 16:36
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:There is an extremely horny subset of the yakuza fanbase actually who wants to see Kiryu and majima gently caress don’t subpost me thanks
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Aug 11, 2018 16:38
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Here is the relevant section from their legal firm's website. It doesn't have anything to do with EULAs or licensing, it's a loophole regarding warranties.quote:Under what is known as the First Sale Doctrine, once a trademark owner (“the company”) sells a product, the buyer ordinarily can resell the product without infringing the owner’s mark. However, the First Sale Doctrine does not apply when a reseller sells a trademarked good that is materially different from the company’s genuine goods.
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Aug 11, 2018 16:39
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Bombadilillo posted:Yeah notices to individuals are all SCARY LEGAL WORDS. buy games preowned
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Aug 11, 2018 16:41
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I'm starting Witcher 3 today. See you all in a month.
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Aug 11, 2018 16:44
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Bombadilillo posted:Yeah notices to individuals are all SCARY LEGAL WORDS. I also don't feel as comfortable doing the "this won't hold up in court thing" when it's 2018, the CFPB has been defanged to a ludicrous degree and may as well not exist, and Trump has been appointing whackadoos to district courts for the last two years whose only qualification is likely that they believe corporations have more rights than people. Something like this goes up to the wrong judge and some pretty bad precedent could get set.
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Aug 11, 2018 16:45
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Looks as if their law firm jumped the gun. Bethesda themselves haven't commented on it yet.
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Aug 11, 2018 16:50
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Safeword posted:Looks as if their law firm jumped the gun. Bethesda themselves haven't commented on it yet. They've retained the services of a company whose selling point is "we've found a loophole in the First Sale Doctrine that essentially renders unauthorized resales of video games illegal". What statement could they possibly make that would ameliorate this?
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Aug 11, 2018 16:55
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I'm starting Witcher 3 today. See you all in a month. I haven’t beaten it but you’re in for one of the best games ever. Have fun!
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Aug 11, 2018 16:57
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Instant Grat posted:They've retained the services of a company whose selling point is "we've found a loophole in the First Sale Doctrine that essentially renders unauthorized resales of video games illegal". What statement could they possibly make that would ameliorate this? Does the law firm in question have a history of doing this, and how widespread is it currently? A single, sudden incident smacks of miscommunication between client and law firm, rather than a malicious intent to me.
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Aug 11, 2018 16:57
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Mafia 3 has some great presentation and style but is the core gameplay loop just going to consist of working my way through the 6 neighborhoods of New Bordeaux, disrupting the criminal enterprise of the boss in each area until the mission to kill them pops up?
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Aug 11, 2018 17:00
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Manatee Cannon posted:we got all the mainline yakuza games anyway. it's just that nobody played them until 0 True as that may be, I didn't know about the series or have a Playstation at the time, so, I'm getting into them now.
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Aug 11, 2018 17:02
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Montalvo posted:Mafia 3 has some great presentation and style but is the core gameplay loop just going to consist of working my way through the 6 neighborhoods of New Bordeaux, disrupting the criminal enterprise of the boss in each area until the mission to kill them pops up? Yeah. You're doing the same stuff at the end as you are at the beginning. It's a story I really enjoyed, but its far too big for its own good.
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Aug 11, 2018 17:05
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I'm starting Witcher 3 today. See you all in a month. lol, friend, it took me 4 months to finish just the released base game.
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Aug 11, 2018 17:19
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Montalvo posted:Mafia 3 has some great presentation and style but is the core gameplay loop just going to consist of working my way through the 6 neighborhoods of New Bordeaux, disrupting the criminal enterprise of the boss in each area until the mission to kill them pops up? It's super repetitive and boring, unfortunately. Some great cutscenes marred by terrible gameplay.
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Aug 11, 2018 17:22
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Lambert posted:It's super repetitive and boring, unfortunately. Some great cutscenes marred by terrible gameplay. Essentially 2 Mafia games in a row have begged the question "why did this game need to be open world?"
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Aug 11, 2018 17:24
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DrNutt posted:Essentially 2 Mafia games in a row have begged the question "why did this game need to be open world?" See also LA Noire, GTA V
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Aug 11, 2018 17:26
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Quantum of Phallus posted:See also LA Noire, GTA V Agreed on LA Noire but GTAV has a trash story and would have been nauseating without the sandbox to enjoy on top of the main plot.
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Aug 11, 2018 17:30
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Montalvo posted:Mafia 3 has some great presentation and style but is the core gameplay loop just going to consist of working my way through the 6 neighborhoods of New Bordeaux, disrupting the criminal enterprise of the boss in each area until the mission to kill them pops up? Yes, unfortunately
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Aug 11, 2018 17:33
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if your open world isn't to the tune of MGSV or Saints Row then get out of my face
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Aug 11, 2018 17:41
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The open world wouldn't even be that bad if you didn't have to do a bunch of busy work to get to the story mission. Or if it even had fast travel.
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Aug 11, 2018 17:53
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Quantum of Phallus posted:See also LA Noire, GTA V Don't agree on GTA V at all, but I'd love to see a post mortem on LA Noire's world design. If you go off the beaten path there are so many large, detailed and unique areas that are straight up never used for anything but optional wandering around. Like, they can't have designed them with that intent.
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Aug 11, 2018 17:58
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I would love to see LA Noire 2 with some kind of Yakuzaesque city full of bars and entertainment and side stories to investigate. I enjoyed the first game a lot but the open world really needed more love.
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Aug 11, 2018 18:01
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veni veni veni posted:Don't agree on GTA V at all, but I'd love to see a post mortem on LA Noire's world design. If you go off the beaten path there are so many large, detailed and unique areas that are straight up never used for anything but optional wandering around. Like, they can't have designed them with that intent. LA Noire's problems start and end with "the higher-ups worked and mis-managed the development team into the ground". There are reasons the studio was closed after it released.
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Aug 11, 2018 18:02
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Oh god that Doom Eternal footage.
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Aug 11, 2018 18:04
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Neddy Seagoon posted:LA Noire's problems start and end with "the higher-ups worked and mis-managed the development team into the ground". There are reasons the studio was closed after it released. Didn't Rockstar take it over because it was a goddamn mess
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Aug 11, 2018 18:13
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ElwoodCuse posted:Didn't Rockstar take it over because it was a goddamn mess Yeah it was in production hell for years, Rockstar had to take over to get it out the door, Team Bondi was dissolved as soon as it shipped, their expensive facial animation tech was never used again because it had zero flexibility.
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Aug 11, 2018 18:15
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Sakurazuka posted:Yeah it was in production hell for years, Rockstar had to take over to get it out the door, Team Bondi was dissolved as soon as it shipped, their expensive facial animation tech was never used again because it had zero flexibility. Yup. iirc, the game can never ever run at 60FPS because the mocapped faces are recorded at something like 30FPS.
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Aug 11, 2018 18:18
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Safeword posted:Yeah. You're doing the same stuff at the end as you are at the beginning. It's a story I really enjoyed, but its far too big for its own good. Lambert posted:It's super repetitive and boring, unfortunately. Some great cutscenes marred by terrible gameplay. ElwoodCuse posted:Yes, unfortunately Yikes. Is there some way to do to the bare minimum so I can experience the story beats?
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Aug 11, 2018 18:22
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Montalvo posted:Yikes. Is there some way to do to the bare minimum so I can experience the story beats? Just kill people, don't bother with wire tapping. You will at most deprive yourself of cutscenes where Lincoln isn't as brutal.
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Aug 11, 2018 18:24
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Yeah, alright. Thanks!
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Aug 11, 2018 18:27
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im not sure why anyone would buy the same trash game with the same trash engine from the same trash publisher featuring the exact same trash gameplay its been re-releasing for the last 10 years with different skins, so maybe that seller was just overestimating demand
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Aug 11, 2018 18:29
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Yeah I can't imagine anyone would buy a Bethesda game. They certainly don't sell any copies of games. Also it was The Evil Within. A game that is nothing like Bethesda games.
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Aug 11, 2018 18:31
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Guess who’s spent all day doing their loving real estate
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Aug 11, 2018 18:57
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Yeah evil within 2 is about the worst example for "traditional bethesda published game" you could pick lol
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Aug 11, 2018 18:57
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oh i thought we were still talking fallout 4, never mind then
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Aug 11, 2018 19:01
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