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havent heard a peep posted:I broke a company sales record two weeks into the four week training pipeline. In reaction The dish Network heads are flying into Madison from Denver. Please get me the gently caress out of here. Have car will leave tonight? Record was set four years ago a lot of people lost bets lol. havent heard a peep posted:We never met but please trust me. I didn't take advice and I haven't stopped studying the 250 page tome since I set the record. This is my jumping point right? Latest text from my trainer said wear a funeral suit because the Japanese overlords are also coming in. I already prepared reyka vodka gifts for them out of pocket. Lol when their top sales knows how to greet them akin to Coco's Curry. havent heard a peep posted:How did mit money describe it? Dong out, full belly, looking to wife swap? what the gently caress
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qhat posted:Lol if you work at Amazon for anything other than a short term gig before you find a real company that knows what a work life balance is. no tech company is real and nobody at Amazon will tell you to do less you just have to take vacation and set your own boundaries. though if you are on a toxic team that thinks taking vacation is morally wrong or something they've made it so there is no way they can stop you from switching teams, which was a huge problem because it meant more people leaving the company and toxic teams not being as obvious. also don't hire ex-Microsoft mgmt this is my biggest tip to any company
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The Amazon in Vancouver is perpetually hiring and I don't think there's anyone on planet earth who can convince me to consider it as a serious long term option. I've spoken to some recruiters as well and they've told me they struggle sometimes to find people willing to consider it lol.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:08
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FamDav posted:also don't hire ex-Microsoft mgmt this is my biggest tip to any company
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qhat posted:The Amazon in Vancouver is perpetually hiring and I don't think there's anyone on planet earth who can convince me to consider it as a serious long term option. I've spoken to some recruiters as well and they've told me they struggle sometimes to find people willing to consider it lol. the route 53 people I work with up there seem to really like it :/, though I don't know what non-aws teams are up there. I also know there's quite a lot of interesting visa cases that flow through there temporarily. and yes, perception sucks and amazon really and truly messed up by not working to fix things much sooner. my team could be a really great place to work (it is) but you will have trouble believing me because of the real experiences of people on awful teams that weren't corrected years earlier. and if you'd have trouble believing me, you're most certainly not going to believe some random recruiter. I do find it heartening that there are more people on hn/etc who've only worked at Amazon a year or two who have nothing but good things to say, because it means changes are making things better and these people don't have to qualify their experiences.
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what kind of changes have you seen made? not being snarky
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FamDav posted:also don't hire ex-Microsoft mgmt this is my biggest tip to any company The Nokia Effect™
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Munkeymon posted:lol lol "freelance journalist" i think i can translate: his trust fund isn't generous enough to get an instagram-worthy apartment
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Aug 20, 2017 21:27
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qhat posted:The Amazon in Vancouver is perpetually hiring and I don't think there's anyone on planet earth who can convince me to consider it as a serious long term option. I've spoken to some recruiters as well and they've told me they struggle sometimes to find people willing to consider it lol. money doesn't stink
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What sort of monetary value would you place on full remote over a 30-40 minute commute?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:lol "freelance journalist" he was middle aged with teenage kids so I was sympathetic about how gentrification was kicking his rear end until he couldn't think to live anywhere but the three most expensive markets in the country when he apparently travels nearly 100% for work
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:money doesn't stink http://www.cc.com/video-clips/zpuyqq/upright-citizens-brigade-rear end-pennies
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Clockwerk posted:what kind of changes have you seen made? not being snarky heres a list off the top of my head (most of this is very SDE-centric). i cut out a few bullets because i dont know if they have been implemented yet * like i mentioned previously, the ability to change teams almost arbitrarily (need to have been in position for a month) instead of having to be on a team for like 6-12 months AND have a performance review showing you are hitting acceptable performance for your level AND no PiP. given those are all things managers can game to keep people on toxic teams, making it easier for good people caught in a bad situations to move to healthy teams at amazon rather than leave is great for just about everybody except the toxic teams :/ * improvements to or creation of maternal and paternal leave. not useful for me today but i know its affected peoples decisions to join or stay * implementation of a part-time program for people who need/want to work reduced hours/days * transparency around total compensation and how your salary/RSUs/etc. are calculated. previously it was basically up to your manager or a fellow employee to explain it to you * removal of anytime feedback, which while nice to give someone a shoutout (i did this for a few people who were incredibly helpful) could also be used to arbitrarily badmouth people * reduction of performance review feedback from (no kidding) pages detailing strengths and weaknesses to very short blurbs about strengths, contributions, and areas to grow. it still an annual process (people in january would be ghosts while they wrote feedback) but ive heard its going to be more frequent? * increased transparency for promotions (more self-driven and/or collaborative with manager) as well as mass realignment of level expectations. that includes more abstract expectations (i think it used to literally say you had to build a service to get to SDE3) as well as re-calibrating people who handled promotions on what the levels are. IMO i would have preferred they also add another level to the SDE hierarchy that encompassed high-performing SDE2s * splitting out SysDE from general SysEng (SRE-SWE vs SRE). people who had the technically proficency for SysDE previously would either switch over to SDE (and move away from problem spaces where they would've been much more effective) or just leave the company * the yearly tech survey and having actions taken based on its results. this includes getting better monitors and development-worthy laptops, and largely deprecating the penny-wise-pound-foolish mode of treating the desktops w/ virts as the best mode of development. most SDEs today develop on a combination of macbook pros and cloud desktops with the physical desktops reserved for people who have to work with physical hardware. this has had a really transformative effect on developer productivity and has also reduced the amount of hardware issues that were coming through deskside. * Alternative mechanisms for funding infrastructure teams that had a difficult time showing their value, leading to improved infrastructure and overall better developer experience * Adding and expanding developer bootcamp, which helps new SDEs become more acquainted with internal tools, frameworks, etc. over their first few months on the job * (my recent favorite) HR reminding people to actually use their vacation
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Munkeymon posted:he was middle aged with teenage kids so I was sympathetic about how gentrification was kicking his rear end until he couldn't think to live anywhere but the three most expensive markets in the country when he apparently travels nearly 100% for work freelance journalism isn't a career trust funds are affected by inflation, as he has learned to his chagrin
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Iverron posted:What sort of monetary value would you place on full remote over a 30-40 minute commute? shortening your commute is always good, but 100% remote is terrible all things being equal i would take the 30 minute commute. i might even accept a small pay cut to have a real office that contains my coworkers and bosses
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FamDav posted:* implementation of a part-time program for people who need/want to work reduced hours/days i'd pay in blood for this, especially with trying to do work and school.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:shortening your commute is always good, but 100% remote is terrible I get that, but the commute is to an office with one other dev and then the rest of our team is spread around the US in clusters or remote so there's no boss or coworkers as you mean. I may as well be remote in the office, because the office is a weird "rear end in the chair" situation that doesn't really benefit anyone.
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Aug 21, 2017 03:37
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thank you for taking the time to respond. it sounds like not a bad place to be nowadays
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Aug 21, 2017 06:57
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well now i feel bad about ignoring this amazon recruiter until he gave up
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I have my second AWS interview in a few minutes. Anyone have any experience on the security cleared side of things?
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Iverron posted:I get that, but the commute is to an office with one other dev and then the rest of our team is spread around the US in clusters or remote so there's no boss or coworkers as you mean. I may as well be remote in the office, because the office is a weird "rear end in the chair" situation that doesn't really benefit anyone. an office that contains my coworkers and bosses was a key proviso. distributed teams are poison find a better job
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Today I was speaking to a coworker that told me they are interviewing a candidate tomorrow and are trying to think of RANDOM WACKY questions to ask like, "Batman vs. Spiderman, GO!"
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Steve Jorbs posted:Today I was speaking to a coworker that told me they are interviewing a candidate tomorrow and are trying to think of RANDOM WACKY questions to ask like, "Batman vs. Spiderman, GO!" was your reply that this kind of question is illegal as it's not related to the job duties or qualifications?
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Steve Jorbs posted:Today I was speaking to a coworker that told me they are interviewing a candidate tomorrow and are trying to think of RANDOM WACKY questions to ask like, "Batman vs. Spiderman, GO!" Suggest asking the interviewee: "Which of my [the interviewer] many failures most bothers my mom and/or dad?".
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Schadenboner posted:Suggest asking the interviewee: "Which of my [the interviewer] many failures most bothers my mom and/or dad?". lmao, that'd almost be worth get fired for for asking
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eschaton posted:was your reply that this kind of question is illegal as it's not related to the job duties or qualifications? culture fit!
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eschaton posted:was your reply that this kind of question is illegal as it's not related to the job duties or qualifications? If it's any better they framed it as the rest of their team thinking they were being overly weird and that they should just stick to the script.
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had a chat with an engineer about their team today - every question about their practices was met with "we're moving towards doing that" except for "do you use git". they're starting to push back against product demanding they skip writing tests to poo poo things out into prod faster! hurrah! they're thinking about CI/integration tests! they're considering an event-sourcing infrastructure!
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gonadic io posted:had a chat with an engineer about their team today - every question about their practices was met with "we're moving towards doing that" except for "do you use git". sounds like you should start to consider leaving
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gonadic io posted:except for "do you use git". I interned at a place that did that for some projects. It turned out exactly as you'd imagine.
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I applied for some jobs that I didn't meet all the requirements for, mostly experience. Also one job that involves remaking old mainframe applications into fresh, shiny, RESTful Java webservices, it asked for COBOL and some old IBM languages.
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ThePeavstenator posted:I applied for some jobs that I didn't meet all the requirements for, mostly experience. Also one job that involves remaking old mainframe applications into fresh, shiny, RESTful Java webservices, it asked for COBOL and some old IBM languages. Aren't you MKE? You want the employer who offers those jobs that 's further east, not the one in Brookfield.
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Steve Jorbs posted:Today I was speaking to a coworker that told me they are interviewing a candidate tomorrow and are trying to think of RANDOM WACKY questions to ask like, "Batman vs. Spiderman, GO!" This is the point at which the candidate regrets taking half a day off work.
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Schadenboner posted:Aren't you MKE? The place I applied to is not in Brookfield. It's Franklin and/or Milwaukee.
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ThePeavstenator posted:The place I applied to is not in Brookfield. It's Franklin and/or Milwaukee. Oh. That company is a great place to work. Also a really nice facility. Free lunch, lots of parking (never really a problem in MKE).
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Schadenboner posted:Oh. Great place to work. Also a really nice facility. Free lunch, lots of parking (never really a problem in MKE). A family friend works there as a senior dev and was very helpful in answering a ton of my questions (except figgies, which I didn't ask). If I get the job downtown I'll be able to walk to work.
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Steve Jorbs posted:Today I was speaking to a coworker that told me they are interviewing a candidate tomorrow and are trying to think of RANDOM WACKY questions to ask like, "Batman vs. Spiderman, GO!" "Thanks but I think I'd like to leave now"
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Sapozhnik posted:"Thanks but I think I'd like to leave now" "I'm sorry, but you're not a good culture fit. For me, I mean."
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Got the job. Guy wanted to low ball me, but I was able to get the required figs out of him.
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