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Memento posted:Also, erdogan needs there to be "millions of refugees" so if he wants to he can unleash them on Europe, which he's already threatening to do. Source? I'm not really sure what to google for this.
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"Erdogan refugee threat" worked wonders: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-send-millions-refugees-europe-eu-calls/
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Oct 14, 2019 05:42
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Godholio posted:Source? I'm not really sure what to google for this. Same here. This seems very...how do you say it..."This has happened, therefore someone intended for it to happen," which seems fallacious.
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Oct 14, 2019 05:44
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I mean anything seems possible in the breathtaking levels of cynicism that characterize 2019
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Oct 14, 2019 05:55
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This is the article I read, from Friday. poo poo moves fast so I'm not surprised people missed what he said. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-10/turkish-president-erdogan-threatens-to-flood-europe-refugees/11591930 Literally "if you call what I'm doing an invasion I'll release more than 3 million refugees to Europe"
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Oct 14, 2019 07:11
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Reddit had the question “what would you do if you woke up with one trillion dollars of clean money in the bank?” My first thought was “I need bodyguards—make that mercenaries.” It then occurred to me that I don’t know any good mercenaries. What’s the best mercenary company money can buy?
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Platystemon posted:Reddit had the question “what would you do if you woke up with one trillion dollars of clean money in the bank?” The US Military? Bah-Zing! I'll be here all night, folks!
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Platystemon posted:Reddit had the question “what would you do if you woke up with one trillion dollars of clean money in the bank?” Define "best" in this context.
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Oct 14, 2019 08:06
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A trillion dollars? I dunno if I'd bother with mercenaries, that's Potential Future God-Emperor of Mars money. (gently caress Mars, I'd try to settle the Belt. Why go back down a well took you a billion years to climb out of, bossmang?)
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Shooting Blanks posted:Define "best" in this context. Well I’m going to be honest: I was thinking “what’s the closest thing the real world has to Hâyard–Günnes.  That may be different from what trillionaire me needs. My mercenaries need to show up when called upon, not stab me in the back, and not create additional problems for me. Like, if I hire war criminals, that’s going to endanger me more than if I hadn’t hired them. After those criteria comes competence in protecting me from anyone who might want my trillionaire self dead. I don’t need to be prepared to launch an amphibious assault or anything like that. Captain Log posted:The US Military? The U.S. military is failing all criteria, with the possible exception of competency at protecting Very High Worth Individuals.
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Kesper North posted:A trillion dollars? Yeah, at that level it becomes more a question of "Which country do I want to become ruler of? And how fast can I do it before another country decides to nationalize my wealth?"
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Oct 14, 2019 09:03
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Pfft, that’s only nine Jeff Bezos—six and change before his divorce. Jeff Bezos is separated from a net worth of a trillion dollars by less than one order of magnitude. He’s separated from a mere millionaire by more than five orders of magnitude.
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Wonder what his security apparatus looks like. Like has he paid someone to take a serious look at the possibility of someone putting a cruise missile into his villa etc.
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Platystemon posted:Reddit had the question “what would you do if you woke up with one trillion dollars of clean money in the bank?” Gurkhas.
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Guest2553 posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/RojavaNetwork/status/1183521682646093830?p=v SNA here means "Syrian National Army", aka Turkish-backed jihadist militias. And something calling itself "Rojava Network" would not call Kurdish forces "terrorists".
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Oct 14, 2019 11:33
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There's a difference. The vast majority of Jeff Bezos wealth is in Amazon stock. The hypothetical was money in your bank account, i.e. cash. One of those is much, much easier to access if you're a nation state.
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Shooting Blanks posted:There's a difference. The vast majority of Jeff Bezos wealth is in Amazon stock. The hypothetical was money in your bank account, i.e. cash. One of those is much, much easier to access if you're a nation state. If you wake up with a trillion dollars in a bank account, you no longer have a bank account, you have a bank.
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madeintaipei posted:Gurkhas. heh, where I work we have our own protective service force and Gurkhas are a big part of that. They are very good at doing meticulously what they are directly instructed to do but they are also not the most dynamic guys getting around - you have to think of everything that might kill you or rob from you with them. And despite reputation to the contrary, do not think for a minute they are going to be any more brave than the guy beside you.
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Davin Valkri posted:Same here. This seems very...how do you say it..."This has happened, therefore someone intended for it to happen," which seems fallacious. I really, really doubt Erdogan wanted the refugee crisis. He's going to exploit any advantage it creates for him, but he didn't create it and he really does want to offload them back into Syria ASAP.
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Warbadger posted:I really, really doubt Erdogan wanted the refugee crisis. He's going to exploit any advantage it creates for him, but he didn't create it and he really does want to offload them back into Syria ASAP. This is his direct quote on it. "Hey EU, wake up. I say it again: if you try to frame our operation there as an invasion, our task is simple: we will open the doors and send 3.6 million migrants to you," Erdogan said in a speech to parliament. Not sure one can read his intent to keep them in Syria or not. His reigns option slider seems to keep moving towards 'genocide' these days so idk.
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Considering the EU seems to have unanimously condemned the invasion I guess we'll have to see how much worth there is to that threat.
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Cat Mattress posted:SNA here means "Syrian National Army", aka Turkish-backed jihadist militias. And something calling itself "Rojava Network" would not call Kurdish forces "terrorists". I'm thinking I bit into some fake news now that it's 12 hours later with no follow-up reporting. My line of thinking was that if Turkish sources say their militias are being targeted - or if someone going through the effort of being a "Rojava Network" to say the same thing - that a) it'll portend some form of escalation by one side; and b) it's probably the Syrian AF that did it. Both of those would have been in line with the reporting of an SDF agreement. Davin Valkri posted:Same here. This seems very...how do you say it..."This has happened, therefore someone intended for it to happen," which seems fallacious. The whole line of the US policy under trump to get us here was only ever going to benefit non-US aligned interests. I'd agree that a refugee crisis might not have been specifically engineered, but Erdogan has definitely showed a willingness to use the fruit of the poisoned tree as it were.
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That Works posted:This is his direct quote on it. I'm really glad that the EU repeatedly decided not to "compete" with NATO so as to keep entrusting its defense to the reliable, steadfast, loyal hands of allies such as the USA and Turkey.
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Cat Mattress posted:I'm really glad that the EU repeatedly decided not to "compete" with NATO so as to keep entrusting its defense to the reliable, steadfast, loyal hands of allies such as the USA and Turkey.
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Face palm and carry on. https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/1183445427041067008
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Oct 14, 2019 18:23
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To be fair I always thought the Soviet ships had nicer lines. Dat bow rake
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Electric Wrigglies posted:heh, where I work we have our own protective service force and Gurkhas are a big part of that. They are very good at doing meticulously what they are directly instructed to do but they are also not the most dynamic guys getting around - you have to think of everything that might kill you or rob from you with them. Perfect! We wouldn't want the people who guard our insanely rich asses while we sleep to get any ideas, would we? madeintaipei fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Oct 14, 2019 |
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The US military is actually very good at protecting the Saud family.
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Platystemon posted:Well I’m going to be honest: I was thinking “what’s the closest thing the real world has to Hâyard–Günnes. If you're a trillionaire and don't have the equivalent of a decently well-stocked warplane museum angrily orbiting you idk what you're even doing hobbesmaster posted:The US military is actually very good at protecting the Saud family. ... against the Saud family's best efforts to effect its own demise, so far at least
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aphid_licker posted:If you're a trillionaire and don't have the equivalent of a decently well-stocked warplane museum angrily orbiting you idk what you're even doing Call up whoever is running Paul Allen's museum and see what it costs and if theres anything they need money to acquire. edit: or ask how much funding they need to open a naval museum so you can have your own warthunder
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How much would it cost for a new build Iowa? That's probably where I would start.
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in the ball park of "more than the b-2 program". The industry doesn't exist anymore for big gun armored ships.
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The 100 mill pricetag on the Iowas is the 1940s price right?
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Stravag posted:The 100 mill pricetag on the Iowas is the 1940s price right? There a reason that everybody except the US rushed all their battleships out of service after WW2.
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Somebody Awful posted:Face palm and carry on. This isn't even the first time they've done that
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And even for the US the only reason the Iowas survived was that they were fast enough to keep up with carrier battle groups. The US dumped all the slower BGs pretty quick, and even then the Iowas spent most of their time laid up in reserve. It was still cheaper to maintain them and haul one or two out for shore bombardment duty when needed than to build a whole new class of bombardment ships that also would have mostly just sat around, but only just. Their reactivation in the 80s is a whole other ball of wax.
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Source4Leko posted:How much would it cost for a new build Iowa? That's probably where I would start. Build one of those super yachts around a "replica" 3 gun 16"/50 cal turret.
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hobbesmaster posted:Build one of those super yachts around a "replica" 3 gun 16"/50 cal turret. Reminds me of reading about this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/billsp...t/#60c36f8d5e9d "Save our oceans! ...with a yacht that's longer than an Arleigh Burke."
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