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DC Murderverse posted:https://x.com/mbkksstbhz5/status/1789863305198117273?s=46&t=5gxKQFzDrDvx-7j58Ypw3g To be honest it probably makes more sense to do it this way. I know there have been people who bought Persona 5 instead of Persona 5 Royal on PS4 and been pissed off by the (understandably unclear) fact of there being two identical games except one is better.
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Under no circumstances do you want to buy SMTV on the Switch anyways. The performance is unplayable, I would be surprised if the new version is any better.
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I said come in! posted:Under no circumstances do you want to buy SMTV on the Switch anyways. The performance is unplayable, I would be surprised if the new version is any better. Skill issue
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May 13, 2024 17:15
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It will run perfectly on the 2witch
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I said come in! posted:Under no circumstances do you want to buy SMTV on the Switch anyways. The performance is unplayable, I would be surprised if the new version is any better. It really is not unplayable in any sense of the word. It looks bad because they use the "far away models are rendered at poorer quality" thing for poo poo that's in your face but otherwise it's a turn-based combat game. I'd get it on something stronger for sure if you can but it isn't unplayable.
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ImpAtom posted:It really is not unplayable in any sense of the word. It looks bad because they use the "far away models are rendered at poorer quality" thing for poo poo that's in your face but otherwise it's a turn-based combat game. I'd get it on something stronger for sure if you can but it isn't unplayable. You have a much higher tolerance for the 20fps average that the game plays at when running around the world in between combat.
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It’s okay if you didn’t personally have a problem with it but it is silly to think your opinion is universal.
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I said come in! posted:Under no circumstances do you want to buy SMTV on the Switch anyways. The performance is unplayable, I would be surprised if the new version is any better. It’s entirely possible that it plays better in the new version. FSR as well as some other techniques weren’t a thing yet on the switch when V originally released
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I said come in! posted:You have a much higher tolerance for the 20fps average that the game plays at when running around the world in between combat. There's a significant difference between "bad frame rate" and "literally unplayable." Especially when discussing something like SMT. Your Uncle Dracula posted:It’s okay if you didn’t personally have a problem with it but it is silly to think your opinion is universal. There is a difference between "didn't have a problem with it" and "This game just can't be played! It's impossible to play a turn-based game with bad frame rate!" Edit: Like, looking it up, pre-patch, the average frame rate for SMTV is 27-29 in the overworld . It drops lower in cutscenes (to mid-teens at times) and when opening menus. It also sucks during the opening segment with a lot of people crowded around in the tunnel but the game apparently never even tries to do something like that again. It's not anywhere as good as I would hope or expect of a game released when it was, even on a system like the Switch which can do better, but it isn't running at 20FPS average outside of menus. (Which, again, should run better.) ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 17:45 on May 13, 2024 |
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It wasn’t a great framerate but any means but it’s not like it made it impossible to avoid battles or anything.
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if Shin Megami Tensei V is unplayable on Switch... what the hell DID I play? 
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Your Uncle Dracula posted:It’s okay if you didn’t personally have a problem with it but it is silly to think your opinion is universal. That cuts both ways.
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I can't wait til Halphas gets his daily demon video. He's so cool. I hope he's one of the 17 navigators too.
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Max Wilco posted:Two questions for the thread: There are five versions of SMTI in English to my knowledge. An iOS version that's inaccessible, the OG SNES version which is glitchy, has a translation that doesn't match the series standard but is otherwise perfectly playable, the GBA version which uses the iOS translation, the PS1 version which also uses the official English translation, and SMTVX which is a fan remake of 1 for RPGmaker and includes new routes and references to the other games in the series. The GBA and PS1 games are less glitchy and have some added story content that fills in some gaps and explains what is going on with some side characters VX also has some major changes but I cannot comment on how well it pulls it off since I haven't beaten it although I wouldn't recommend it for a first run through the game. The GBA version has worse music, and the PS1 has remixed music that some like more than the SNES and some less. PS1 also has better graphics but I feel the sparseness of the SNES version actually worked better for the atmosphere of the game. Personally I'd say either play the SNES version with the Orden patch that fixes some bugs and lines up the translation better with the rest of the series + the automap hack that lets you bring up the map with R1 like in SMT2. Or play the PS1 version. SMTII for SNES works perfectly except for an overflow bug if you buff yourself too much. Write down all the passwords you get, mark everything that seems like you might need to come back to and always talk to people in the bars.
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Gaius Marius posted:There are five versions of SMTI in English to my knowledge. An iOS version that's inaccessible, the OG SNES version which is glitchy, has a translation that doesn't match the series standard but is otherwise perfectly playable, the GBA version which uses the iOS translation, the PS1 version which also uses the official English translation, and SMTVX which is a fan remake of 1 for RPGmaker and includes new routes and references to the other games in the series. oh actually, the ps1 version has a fresh fan tl and no extra story content like the gba ver does  imo people shouldn't play snes smt 1, the auto map in that is super sparse and rotates with the player for some reason??
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I said come in! posted:You have a much higher tolerance for the 20fps average that the game plays at when running around the world in between combat. You are weak and will not survive the great rpg wilds
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:You are weak and will not survive the great rpg wilds The decades before 30fps even came close to being a standard were amazing.
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every day I thank my eyes for not being able to see frames, so I can enjoy video games instead of endlessly complaining about performance in every single one I ever play
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The framerate wasn't so bad because at least was consistently paced but the narrow field of view was way worse
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Schubalts posted:The decades before 30fps even came close to being a standard were amazing. You got a whole 20 fps consistent? And you're complaining? We've grown soft as a people
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I don't know where the idea that games didn't run well back in the day comes from. I'm pretty sure none of the PS2 SMT games ran like poo poo.
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Randallteal posted:I don't know where the idea that games didn't run well back in the day comes from. I'm pretty sure none of the PS2 SMT games ran like poo poo. the raidou games definitely had some fps problems
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Randallteal posted:I don't know where the idea that games didn't run well back in the day comes from. I'm pretty sure none of the PS2 SMT games ran like poo poo. The PS2 games had slowdown anytime there were any remotely flashy effects onscreen which is part of why they minimized doing that. They also had very low draw distances and a bunch of other stuff specifically designed to compensate for the PS2's shortcomings. The Raidou games were pretty bad in general and almost all of the games had significant frame drops during combat, it just didn't matter because it is turn-based combat.
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Endorph posted:the raidou games definitely had some fps problems Yeah, I remember having too much magic poo poo going on at once in the middle of a fight made my PS2 chug every now and again
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ImpAtom posted:The PS2 games had slowdown anytime there were any remotely flashy effects onscreen which is part of why they minimized doing that. They also had very low draw distances and a bunch of other stuff specifically designed to compensate for the PS2's shortcomings. The Raidou games were pretty bad in general and almost all of the games had significant frame drops during combat, it just didn't matter because it is turn-based combat. it depends, particle effects due to the ps2 insane fillrate came cheap, the nocture remaster especially didnt port all the effects properly and on switch shits its pants whenever theres way too many particles
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Just found out about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d08wUJyLtyw https://drive.google.com/file/d/19VCvhXKR32OyZKQ8pCech6pnnFXE56Aj/view quote:The features you can expect are: I've not tried it yet but he ssid the demo is up to Ose which is a decent way into the game, plenty enough to give me an indication of if I like it or not. But figured you all might be interested since it will be a bit before I can try this out.
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For the people interested, Nocturne HD is 80% off today on Steam so grab a copy now.
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it's a three-year old remaster of a game from 2003 and its base price is fifty loving dollars, lmao
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Tortolia posted:atlus.txt Let's be fair, it's not true Atlus.txt until you scroll down to the $40 worth of DLC
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Original hard type was too much I think bud it also feels reductive to just call this hardtype given how big some of the pull-forward systems are.
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Since I got Nocturne on the brain right now, my last run of Nocturne was a Yosuga Run and there's something I noticed. While SMT3 has a pretty minimal story, and even more minimal character focus, I think it's fair to say the story is written to get us emotionally invested in two things: 1. Our teacher. She's literally the first thing we see in a new game, she is responsible for sparing us from the Conception, all scenes with her are very sweet with light music playing, you rescue her from being tortured, and it kinda goes on and on like that. 2. The only other consistent sympathy that is cultivated in the game is towards Manikins. From the tunnel on the way to Ikebukuro where we learn about their enslavement, to seeing their enslavement a short time later, to seeing their escape and bid for freedom, to helping save their leader from a dungeon and being tortured (maybe intentional parallel with Ms. Takao).....and so-on and so-on and so-on. They're even at the top of the final dungeon, having climbed up all that way. We see them at their lowest, we see them strive, we see them flourish, we see them fall yet continue to get up again. I bring all this up because...you can kill Takao. You can kill Futomimi, the Manikins' savior and light of hope that you rescued. If you think of the Demifiend as a consistent character with a thought process, he must have been just doing a Homer Simpson and listening to music in his head during all these myriad scenes of "look at this poor woman/look at these poor people" and taken in absolutely none of it. Also you can immediately go from murdering the Manakin's leader to doing the Puzzle Boy BS or buy stuff from the Asakusa merchant. I guess nobody is left alive to know what you did but it still is funny to me.
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Gaius Marius posted:For the people interested, Nocturne HD is 80% off today on Steam so grab a copy now. I am doing this! Thank you! I played the game way, way back when, and don't really remember all that much of it. What is "New Game: Chronicle" and do I want to play that?
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Chronicle is the version that has all the Labyrinth of Amala/Fiends content, but instead of Featuring Dante From Devil May Cry, it's Raidou instead; otherwise same content. Maniax is the Dante version. Pick whichever you prefer.
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I prefer the free one! Also who would pick Dante over Raidou
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That's right, I forgot Chronicle was free DLC and you had to pay for Dante due to whatever licensing they worked back out with Capcom. So yeah, Chronicle is absolutely the way to go unless you wanted to see what the game was like in the very first JP release.
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OzFactor posted:I prefer the free one! Also who would pick Dante over Raidou The only reason I bought nocturne way back in 2004 was because of dante. I had never heard of these games but since my boy dante was in it I bought it not knowing anything about it. I'm glad I did because now megami tensei and persona are some of my favorite rpgs ever now but it all started with dante lol.
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Hoffadoff posted:The only reason I bought nocturne way back in 2004 was because of dante. I had never heard of these games but since my boy dante was in it I bought it not knowing anything about it. I'm glad I did because now megami tensei and persona are some of my favorite rpgs ever now but it all started with dante lol. The man the sticker was made for
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