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GBS thread led to a website that has a bunch of old military ads in it:   http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/military-ads
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Man militarized x29 would have been badass
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Oct 23, 2019 16:43
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NightGyr posted:Well this is very Cold War: What a garbage article. In an actual lead-up to war, they wouldn’t be doing loving touch and goes in a national strategic asset. gently caress me, in a world where sanity prevailed, no one would be doing touch and goes in a national strategic asset at ANY time. We have loving simulators for that poo poo.
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Oct 23, 2019 16:48
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hobbesmaster posted:There is more than one doomsday plane. In an actual war the one airborne would stay airborne and the one on the ground would be at ground zero of multiple warheads from an SS-18. As I said earlier in the thread and then got  ed at afterward, the E-6 represents a target that would rate a hypersonic cruise missile strike or depressed-trajectory SLBM. There's no such thing as a "fifteen minute window" for VIP and high-value asset evac anymore.The Satan and Sarmat are ultra hard target and city killers. But yeah, it's a garbage article, too. Putin's Doomsday plane, simply by the virtue of being Russian, likely goes down operationally more often than a Las Vegas hooker during a heavy convention season. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Oct 23, 2019 17:05
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If Russia's plans are anything like the US's plan it'd be targeted by the hypersonic cruise missiles and one at least one mirv'd reentry vehicle from each missile. Was it Moscow's air defense radar that was targeted by something like 10% of the US's warheads in some declassified plan?
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Oct 23, 2019 17:17
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There are 10+ E-6Bs, distributed all over the place. Likely to places that would soak up the first round of warheads, but still.
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Oct 23, 2019 17:41
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Godholio posted:There are 10+ E-6Bs, distributed all over the place. Likely to places that would soak up the first round of warheads, but still. Pax River might actually be improved slightly by the liberal application of a few megatons of canned sunshine. >.>
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Oct 23, 2019 17:43
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EvilMerlin posted:Well to be honest the guy flying the B-52 at the time was a moron whom was warned before about doing stupid poo poo like that in a B-52. I want to hate Bud, I should hate Bud, he got other people killed. But drat did he make the B-52 do some cool poo poo. Those low mountain passes with the camera people? 
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Oct 23, 2019 18:34
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I wonder why the Airforce/NASA/ Lockmart/ Boeing haven't gone back and tested another swept wing design with the new advancements in Fly By Wire? That is besides the cost factor.
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Oct 23, 2019 18:35
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:I want to hate Bud, I should hate Bud, he got other people killed. But drat did he make the B-52 do some cool poo poo. Those low mountain passes with the camera people? Turns out you can do really low passes if you don't worry too much about ensuring that you don't die
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Oct 23, 2019 18:38
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Yeah.... all the seniors being amazed by his "stick and rudder" skills are forgetting that plenty of people can do wild poo poo if they stop giving a gently caress. Another example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCtfYF3ITGE A better sign of an amazing aviator is one who's impressive and doesn't terrify and kill people.
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Oct 23, 2019 18:44
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That B-52 guy is a slightly better version of me at a simulator trying to fly a 757 under the golden gate bridge
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Oct 23, 2019 18:57
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The other reason the Air Force let Bud Holland do whatever he liked is that there's nothing really of value to crash into out around Fairchild.  You know, except the nuclear storage bunker he nearly plowed into.
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Oct 23, 2019 19:12
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mlmp08 posted:Yeah.... all the seniors being amazed by his "stick and rudder" skills are forgetting that plenty of people can do wild poo poo if they stop giving a gently caress. The most amazing thing... this guy never flew a real plane before. He didn't have his license. Let alone a multi-engine rating. Said he learned it all from... video games...
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Oct 23, 2019 19:24
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EvilMerlin posted:The most amazing thing... this guy never flew a real plane before. He didn't have his license. Let alone a multi-engine rating. He also kept the plane at TOGA power the entire time so I'd say its pretty clear he didn't really know what he was doing.
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Oct 23, 2019 19:27
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hobbesmaster posted:He also kept the plane at TOGA power the entire time so I'd say its pretty clear he didn't really know what he was doing. Engine over temperature and increased wear is only a problem if the airplane is going to be used another time.
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Oct 23, 2019 19:52
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https://twitter.com/slendersherbet/status/1186883709057798144?s=21
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Oct 23, 2019 20:17
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Dear god, this changes everything!
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Oct 23, 2019 20:21
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WE CANNOT ALLOW A SALTWATER GAP
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Oct 23, 2019 20:36
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It's an oldie, but it periodically resurfaces. Just like one of those sneaky Chinese submarines.
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Oct 23, 2019 21:56
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This is such a fancy ad for a program that featured these two helicopters: Bell D-292  Sikorsky S-75  Though it did eventually give us Comanche:  And perhaps the new Bell 360 Invictus? 
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Oct 23, 2019 22:32
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All I know is the Comanche is beautiful.
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Oct 23, 2019 22:33
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SimonCat posted:And perhaps the new Bell 360 Invictus? I did some reading about FARA, which got fast tracked to be the first program of FVL because they’ve needed a real Kiowa warrior replacement since LHX. The associated recon helo programs have failed like 3-4 times now in total. FVL was supposed to lead with the Defiant/V-280 midsize competition but not anymore. That being said, the Bell 360 Invictus doesn’t have any ties to the Comanche, it just got a similar look. It’s way more rooted in Bells civilian 525 program, which is a fly-by-wire mid size transport aimed at like oil fields/offshore/VIPs. Lockheed/Sikorsky are going in with the Raider X, which is basically the S-97 pusher/coaxial they scaled up for the Defiant. Boeing isn’t actually sharing any details at all about its FARA entry, as that approach is apparently how they got the MC-25 Stingray win. I feel like it’s going to lean heavily on the Apache though. There’s also an AVX/L3 ducted fan entry that’s weird looking and something else from Karem. Airbus backed out from submitting a derivative of that weird diamond wing shaped thing they show off. Here’s a quick article: https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/aaaa/2019/04/23/us-army-picks-5-teams-to-design-new-us-army-attack-recon-helicopter/ Mazz fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Oct 24, 2019 |
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Oct 24, 2019 00:13
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Mazz posted:There’s also an AVX/L3 ducted fan entry that’s weird looking and something else from Karem. You can't mention that without mentioning the Piasecki_X-49 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu2CwHwxJYA
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Oct 24, 2019 00:24
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test pilots are the bravest motherfuckers to have ever lived imo
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Oct 24, 2019 01:42
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Tythas posted:I wonder why the Airforce/NASA/ Lockmart/ Boeing haven't gone back and tested another swept wing design with the new advancements in Fly By Wire? That is besides the cost factor. Stall characteristics aside (they suck), the problem with forward sweep was flutter and aeroelasticity. FBW won't really fix those
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Oct 24, 2019 11:59
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Captain Postal posted:Stall characteristics aside (they suck), the problem with forward sweep was flutter and aeroelasticity. FBW won't really fix those Okay but what if we also made it a swing-wing?
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Oct 24, 2019 12:22
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Helter Skelter posted:Okay but what if we also made it a swing-wing?
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Oct 24, 2019 13:05
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Back Hack posted:You can't mention that without mentioning the Piasecki_X-49 That fan looks like it’s several seconds away from falling off in like every shot
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Oct 24, 2019 13:36
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Mazz posted:I did some reading about FARA, which got fast tracked to be the first program of FVL because they’ve needed a real Kiowa warrior replacement since LHX. The associated recon helo programs have failed like 3-4 times now in total. FVL was supposed to lead with the Defiant/V-280 midsize competition but not anymore. It is amazing how difficult it is for the Army to purchase a small scout helicopter. Like, it just has to be turbine powered, carry two people, and enough electronics to send information back to the network. Maybe toss on machine gun and a missile or two. Apparently integrating the sensors into a new avionics package was a big sticking point on the ARH-70 program, but I think that after the initial development costs were out of the way, it would have been a good aircraft going forward. 
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Oct 24, 2019 14:24
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N NKLnt hvgvhhhv ca
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Oct 24, 2019 14:36
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SimonCat posted:It is amazing how difficult it is for the Army to purchase a small scout helicopter. Like, it just has to be turbine powered, carry two people, and enough electronics to send information back to the network. Maybe toss on machine gun and a missile or two. It isn't really a problem with the designs, it is just very, very difficult to come up with something that provides a meaningful and cost-effective upgrade over the current mix of drones and Apaches (or drones PLUS Apaches, as the future looks to be). There are a whole lot of Apache airframes out there available at very low cost if you consider stealing them from the National Guard to be a low cost solution. Note: the National Guards did not, but why the hell does the National Guard need an attack helicopter platform?
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Oct 24, 2019 14:37
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You might as well ask why it needs artillery.
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Oct 24, 2019 15:24
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The national guard can be deployed abroad if necessary so its not completely off the wall.
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Oct 24, 2019 15:28
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Mortabis posted:You might as well ask why it needs artillery. Or A-10s.
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Oct 24, 2019 15:36
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Phanatic posted:Or A-10s. And this is still an ongoing battle between the Army and AF. Army says it should be able to do its own CAS. And that the A-10 should be moved to it's pilots... The problem is the agreement when the AF split off of the Army back in '47. The Army is still flying almost 260 fixed wing birds... and the AF still pitches fits about it because WO's can fly.
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Oct 24, 2019 15:58
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hobbesmaster posted:The national guard can be deployed abroad if necessary so its not completely off the wall. Can be and is deployed abroad. All the time. There are 8 national guard divisions. Each division has an aviation brigade. If the army thinks the Apache is essential to the active duty divisions, it follows that since National Guard divisions are organized on the same lines, they would need them too, or at least something that does the same mission.
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Oct 24, 2019 16:03
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Mortabis posted:You might as well ask why it needs artillery. Mental image of an apache with a 203mm barrel sticking out of it and now hopelessly laughing at how battletech it is
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Oct 24, 2019 16:14
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AC64 spoopy
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Stravag posted:Mental image of an apache with a 203mm barrel sticking out of it and now hopelessly laughing at how battletech it is Apache Strongbow
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