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Countblanc posted:This is all cool, though I wish you'd posted the sources just to save me some legwork. Do you know if there's any info out there on when benefits of welfare programs get "extended"? My mother agrees with most of the things you said but has some weird belief that people constantly get extensions and that people are using these to live for years and years on welfare. She also simply didn't believe that other countries have more progressive welfare systems ("Maybe on paper, but they don't constantly cave and extend benefits for people like we do."). General sources from memory: https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/snapmain.htm http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/snap.htm
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Revdomezehis posted:Also fun fact, getting SNAP made me stop going to Price Chopper (Grocery store chain) because when I went to use self-checkout it basically loudly announces for me to swipe my food stamp card to everyone around that area.  "POOR PERSON DETECTED" I would think this more common at non-discount groceries. Shouldn't stores targeting a lower income demo be more sensitive to that sort of thing?
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My conservative family members get angry that SNAP uses cards now instead of actual stamps or whatever because now poor people aren't ashamed when they use them!
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Revdomezehis posted:
If I recall there was a politician from somewhere (Florida?) who was lamenting the fact that food stamp EBT cards look too much like credit/debit cards and wanted them to be bright yellow or something, so recipients could be sure of an extra dose of shame at the cashier. (I think I remember seeing something similar in a chain email). Presumably he'd be quite happy with poor-alarm klaxons at every grocery store.
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PerniciousKnid posted:
Price Chopper doesn't really target lower income, some of their poo poo is kinda overpriced, hence the lower classes alarm. For contrast, the self checkout line at Walmart used the same voice clip of "Swipe your card" that it does for if you used your debit or credit card. I just remember it being rather shocking that they would go through the trouble of recording a completely different message just to let everyone know a poor was around.
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Revdomezehis posted:I just remember it being rather shocking that they would go through the trouble of recording a completely different message just to let everyone know a poor was around.
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Nah I was already kind of a raging liberal as it were, it's just another in the long line of things that are shocking in the sense of "Why would someone put in so much effort to be a dick to someone else when it's easier to be helpful/discreet/nice/generous?"
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Revdomezehis posted:Nah I was already kind of a raging liberal as it were, it's just another in the long line of things that are shocking in the sense of "Why would someone put in so much effort to be a dick to someone else when it's easier to be helpful/discreet/nice/generous?" Plus, accepting EBT is optional. So they are basically saying, "Yes we will take your government handout money, as long as we can shame you while we do it. Please shop here again!" I remember when I was working at BJ's warehouse (which at the time didn't take Food Stamps) and this couple brought up two big carts full of meat and stuff, and their card wasn't working. So I took it, looked at it and said loudly, "What is EBT?!" Needless to say I was the one feeling ashamed once someone told me what it was. I felt less shame later though when I had to put back two carts of cold food 
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I really don't think it's maliciousness by the stores. Probably just the software company they contracted not thinking about the implications.
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I am going to lose my mind. I live in Mississippi. Amendment 26 is upon us. This is the amendment that defines life at conception, and will make life hard on everyone in Mississippi. I've been hearing stupid arguments from people I thought reasonable, and reasonable arguments from people I thought stupid (my idiot Chad Brochill calculus professor took time out of talking about Gears of War 3 to say "Yeah, we really need to criminalize contraception in the state that leads the country in teen pregnancies," and then made a jerking off motion.). I learned a long time ago that you will never change someone's mind on abortion; you just won't. You'd have an easier time convincing a Tea Partier to join your Occupy protest. Anyway, among all the blisteringly stupid comments and the insightful comments that I've seen plastered up and down Facebook, I see this: quote:and i feel i must clarify i am pro life and anti contraception, but i do not like ammendment 26. its too vague.
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ClosedBSD posted:Congrats, your lab partner is pretty fantastic at repeating talking points. Better hope that your lab was explained word for word in class, with your professor tying in conspiracy theories involving College Democrats into the labs instructions, which he drew out in nonsensical graphs and diagrams on the chalkboard, in between bouts of crying because he "loves this class so much", but "fears for it."; because if your lab is in anything less than this format there is no way your partner will remember. This is loving hilarious. What is it about the Republicans spouting talking points against OWS that they always mention public defecation. And nine times out of ten will use the word "feckless" to describe the protesters.
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Sarion posted:The only "welfare" that gets extended, is unemployment insurance, which you and your boss paid into when you were working, like other kinds of insurance. And by definition you had to have been working to get it. Calling unemployment insurance welfare is like saying its welfare when your homeowner's insurance pays to have your house rebuilt after a fire. It's also worth pointing out that just because you are unemployed does not guarentee unemployment insurance. If you are fired for cause you don't get it -- and those causes vary from stealing from the company to the smallest "took an unauthorized break" in right-to-work states. I was able to receive 10 months of unemployment benefits after being laid off (rather, I got a job after ten months of being laid off; I could have gotten it extended) whereas a guy I know who was managing a store gave himself a 10 minute break while he was the manager on-duty and the company fired him. He was denied unemployment, appealed, and lost. When I was out visiting my folks while unemployed, my father subjected me to Sean Hannity, and they were discussing all these shiftless people on unemployment not looking for work. "But that's not you, you're trying to find a job," my Dad says. "EVERYONE is trying to find a job, Dad. No one thinks 'Man, I can sit on my rear end feeling unproductive and useless making one half or less of what I made when I had an employer, what a way to live!!!'" I worked for a company of 65 people. They laid off seven people. At 10 months I was the first one to find a job. One year anniversary is a few days off, they're all still looking. loving welfare queens.
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Okay, my wife called out of work sick tonight. The girl who came in to work for her is now spamming Facebook with the most atrocious Yes on Amendment 26 poo poo ever. I'm severely tempted to reply, but then my wife is too sick to come in if she gets pissed off and leaves. Fortunately, her friends all seem to think she's out of her mind. She posted a bunch of insane crap without any sources, and there were about 30 replies of "That's not true, what's your source?" and "Holy poo poo, what? Here, here's the actual data." And then a flood of people asking her to explain the dozen inconsistencies in her position. She was silent for a good 20 minutes, and then responded with a link to "Bible.org" and the Constitution and said "Have I made my point, or shall I keep going?" Edit: quote:I put god on my side because god said so in the Bible every question you ever have is clarified scripture. Read the the Bible. I can give you hundreds of scriptures that speak specifically on the subject of the Bible. If you don't believe me, go to Google type in the search bar the Bible and abortion and hundreds of scriptures will pop up. And in screwing with peoples lifes I am guessing you don't count dismissing the chance to have life. I guess that doesn't count as screwing with others lives. Yeah that makes sense.
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ascii genitals posted:What is it about the Republicans spouting talking points against OWS that they always mention public defecation. And nine times out of ten will use the word "feckless" to describe the protesters. Dehumanizing people helps them rationalize their vitriol towards them.
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Average abortion cost: $500 Average childbirth cost (not including prenatal care): $8800 I mean they are practically the same cost.
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Sarion posted:Average abortion cost: $500 + your immortal soul Fixed that for you.
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The part that I love is that the Bible clearly does not consider children to be full humans. Children are property of their father. That's it, and it's plain and simple in the Bible. This nonsense about life beginning at conception is a complete fabrication in the Christian world. Thou shalt not kill does not apply to children, and it doesn't apply to people not of the tribe. God makes this very clear at many points in the Old Testament. So when she says to read the Bible...which part is she talking about? The parts that I read in loving church and Sunday school make it pretty clear that God's pretty cool with abortion.
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Unfortunately she's right, if you do a google search you'll find thousands of people who have twisted out of context passages together into a message that condemns abortion. A biblical argument will get lost really quickly because the bible can say anything anyone wants it to say. It's helpful like that. I would prefer some variant of the argument "your religion can get hosed" but honestly the cognitive dissonance is so entrenched in people who actually pay attention to scripture I dunno what you could say.
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Arglebargle III posted:Unfortunately she's right, if you do a google search you'll find thousands of people who have twisted out of context passages together into a message that condemns abortion. A biblical argument will get lost really quickly because the bible can say anything anyone wants it to say. It's helpful like that. I love that "Hundreds of people interpretting 2 verses" is "hundreds of verses." I'd love to see her list those verses. I wonder if she'd get past 10. I wonder if she can find more verses from the bible condemning abortion than I can find verses saying that she, as a woman, shouldn't be talking in a room full of men. And a drama aside, someone threw down the gauntlet and basically said "I find it hilarious that you talk about how evil pre-marital sex is and condemn contraceptives and say that women who do that are slutty, when you cheated on your last boyfriend." The only moral abortion...
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ErIog posted:The part that I love is that the Bible clearly does not consider children to be full humans. Children are property of their father. That's it, and it's plain and simple in the Bible. This nonsense about life beginning at conception is a complete fabrication in the Christian world. Thou shalt not kill does not apply to children, and it doesn't apply to people not of the tribe. God makes this very clear at many points in the Old Testament. None of the old testament matters
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I like how the punishment for forcing an abortion on another man's wife AGAINST HER WILL is a monetary payment to the father. This is the only part of the bible to directly address abortion. Yeah, real strong pro-life position in the Bible.
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XyloJW posted:Okay, my wife called out of work sick tonight. The girl who came in to work for her is now spamming Facebook with the most atrocious Yes on Amendment 26 poo poo ever. I'm severely tempted to reply, but then my wife is too sick to come in if she gets pissed off and leaves. Wait, where does God say in the Bible that the Bible contains an answer to every question?
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Not an email, but a leaflet passed out by bankers to the protesters at Occupy Chicago. It's a mass distibuted text thingy, so I'm just going to say it counts for this thread.An utter rear end in a top hat posted:We are Wall Street. It’s our job to make money. Whether it’s a commodity, stock, bond, or some hypothetical piece of fake paper, it doesn’t matter. We would trade baseball cards if it were profitable. I didn’t hear America complaining when the market was roaring to 14,000 and everyone’s 401k doubled every 3 years. Just like gambling, its not a problem until you lose. I’ve never heard of anyone going to Gamblers Anonymous because they won too much in Vegas. Edit: Whoops, I copied it from a site that didn't have the whole thing, where it starts ripping on teachers. Link and a picture Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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Dr Christmas posted:Not an email, but a leaflet passed out by bankers to the protesters at Occupy Chicago. It's a mass distibuted text thingy, so I'm just going to say it counts for this thread.
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Dr Christmas posted:Not an email, but a leaflet passed out by bankers to the protesters at Occupy Chicago. It's a mass distibuted text thingy, so I'm just going to say it counts for this thread. I'd love to see some financial fuckwad last two weeks in the lab I work in. Edit: Actually, they'd probably be okay because I'm really nice and train everyone pretty rigorously despite their previous experience in science 
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Sarion posted:This site is like dozens of these emails all put together: http://the53.tumblr.com/
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Dr Christmas posted:Not an email, but a leaflet passed out by bankers to the protesters at Occupy Chicago. It's a mass distibuted text thingy, so I'm just going to say it counts for this thread. Give me 2 hours with these dumbshits on a farm and I'll have them crying. Or dead, that happens too. Dismembered is more common though.
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ApathyGifted posted:Give me 2 hours with these dumbshits on a farm and I'll have them crying. I get where you're coming from, but why's it gotta be manual labor? These fucktards couldn't last two hours doing customer service at a Starbucks during morning rush. I don't know anyone on Wall Street who could be polite enough to a table of four to actually make a 15% tip at the end of the meal.
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ClearAirTurbulence posted:I like how the punishment for forcing an abortion on another man's wife AGAINST HER WILL is a monetary payment to the father. This is the only part of the bible to directly address abortion. Yeah, real strong pro-life position in the Bible. http://www.evilbible.com/god%27s%20not%20pro-life.htm
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Dr Christmas posted:Not an email, but a leaflet passed out by bankers to the protesters at Occupy Chicago. It's a mass distibuted text thingy, so I'm just going to say it counts for this thread. Hehe if one of those Gordon Gecko wannabes saw the control panel of a CNC lathe he wouldn't know what do do but yell "buy! sell! buy!" at the numbers
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Dr Christmas posted:Not an email, but a leaflet passed out by bankers to the protesters at Occupy Chicago. It's a mass distibuted text thingy, so I'm just going to say it counts for this thread. This dumb bullshit has been circulating in email form for a couple of years, i'm not surprised to see it show up in this context.
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Kosmonaut posted:Hehe if one of those Gordon Gecko wannabes saw the control panel of a CNC lathe he wouldn't know what do do but yell "buy! sell! buy!" at the numbers Speaking of Gordon http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/7e55442a-c76a-11df-aeb1-00144feab49a.html#axzz1cVVv3PWq
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XyloJW posted:I love that "Hundreds of people interpretting 2 verses" is "hundreds of verses." I'd love to see her list those verses. I wonder if she'd get past 10. I wonder if she can find more verses from the bible condemning abortion than I can find verses saying that she, as a woman, shouldn't be talking in a room full of men. Just meant that arguing biblical passages is a waste of time, no matter how right you are. Unless the person you're talking to is like a serious biblical scholar who will accept facts in front of their nose. Otherwise, you'll just end up going in circles until they hate you. XyloJW posted:And a drama aside, someone threw down the gauntlet and basically said "I find it hilarious that you talk about how evil pre-marital sex is and condemn contraceptives and say that women who do that are slutty, when you cheated on your last boyfriend." 
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XyloJW posted:And a drama aside, someone threw down the gauntlet and basically said "I find it hilarious that you talk about how evil pre-marital sex is and condemn contraceptives and say that women who do that are slutty, when you cheated on your last boyfriend." We nee follow up to this. I'm actually kind of jealous, I wish I had people who posted ridiculous things on my friends list just for a good laugh or argument, but the worst it's ever got on mine is the standard "Drug test welfare recipients." which actually created a great near nonsensical babbling when I called someone out on their capacious amount of weed smoking during college and asked if they should've been drug tested before getting their PELL grant and federal loans.
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Amused to Death posted:We nee follow up to this. Dude, the only like moral drugs are mine, yeah?
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quote:Just like gambling, its not a problem until you lose. I’ve never heard of anyone going to Gamblers Anonymous because they won too much in Vegas.
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Kosmonaut posted:Hehe if one of those Gordon Gecko wannabes saw the control panel of a CNC lathe he wouldn't know what do do but yell "buy! sell! buy!" at the numbers Um, it's obvious to anybody with a brain that working in the financial sector of the economy gives you the expertise needed to work in every other field there is better than the people that actually do the jobs currently. Thenipwax fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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If scientists are so smart, why aren't they investment bankers? 
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I mean I for one am pretty intimidated that they plan to take my job so that they can work EIGHT TO loving SEVEN and LEAVE NO TIPS at the lunch that they WORK RIGHT THROUGH to leave them more time to spend staring at a screen wondering what the gently caress is going on My boss would be ecstatic. "Well, he may produce nothing, but at least he's on the clock all day doing it!"
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It has nothing to do with the stock market. And it was a problem even when the stock market was at 14000. (And wouldn't a real investment banker say "Dow Jones or DJI" instead of just the generic "stock market"?) The problem started around the 80's, its just taken until now for the pot to boil over.
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