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I wish they got Caitlin Jenner to talk at the conference. One of the most relevent republican celeberties right now.
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GMEEOORH posted:It always surprises me how quickly progressives become willing to weaponize lovely gay stereotypes when the target is a conservative. I'm sorry but if you don't think that Lindsay Graham, the man who hates LGBT anything with a passion and is a total shitbag, consistently acting like a giant gay stereotype is really funny then you're wrong.
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Jul 15, 2016 11:57
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beatlegs posted:These "Liberal goes on FOX and destroys X" stories always make me depressed & disappointed that any sensible person would agree to appear on that loving channel. I have wondered why anyone who is aware of that channel existing as super-Republican propaganda that revels in angering angering and mocking anyone of color or left of Mussolini to show off to their viewers ever agrees to show up there. No matter what they say, it'll be framed in such a way as to support the disgusting views the channel stands for.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:22
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Geostomp posted:I have wondered why anyone who is aware of that channel existing as super-Republican propaganda that revels in angering angering and mocking anyone of color or left of Mussolini to show off to their viewers ever agrees to show up there. No matter what they say, it'll be framed in such a way as to support the disgusting views the channel stands for. Maybe they are the famed crisis actors or interns no one likes that I keep hearing about.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:25
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GMEEOORH posted:It always surprises me how quickly progressives become willing to weaponize lovely gay stereotypes when the target is a conservative.  I don't think you understood what he said because you were to busy playing "gotcha"
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Jul 15, 2016 13:48
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Nevvy Z posted:
He is right though. "Sounds gay" is a way of perpetuating homosexuals as an other who can be easily identified as abnormal by their deviance from an expected "straight" set of behaviors.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:54
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Mel Mudkiper posted:He is right though. "Sounds gay" is a way of perpetuating homosexuals as an other who can be easily identified as abnormal by their deviance from an expected "straight" set of behaviors. I was looking for a way to express why it doesn't make sense to say he sounds gay, and this is it
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Jul 15, 2016 14:00
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Rhjamiz posted:I always get depressed because any time any youtube video or clip is phrased in such a way, it is never ever true. It's always a grossly generous take on the actual exchange. That said: Radish posted:The best was when those dudes refuted O'Reilly's typical bad argument and when he couldn't respond well they kept saying "you maaaaad!" which made him even madder. That was a destroying.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:08
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Kilroy posted:
Best part is its loving Cam'ron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB5J_xzjTrc
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Jul 15, 2016 14:13
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The money stuff is at 6 minutes in when O'Reilly tries to bully them with trap questions and it doesn't go his way.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:17
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GMEEOORH posted:It always surprises me how quickly progressives become willing to weaponize lovely gay stereotypes when the target is a conservative.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:28
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Cugel the Clever posted:Why do you think being gay is a bad thing? It is when you explicitly use it as a criticism You can't go "he sounds gay" as a criticism and then go "whoa no one said being gay is bad" when someone calls you on it
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Jul 15, 2016 14:31
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Mel Mudkiper posted:It is when you explicitly use it as a criticism
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Jul 15, 2016 14:33
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Isn't he just going "I suspect him of being a self-loathing, repressed gay person, which is a shame?"
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Jul 15, 2016 14:34
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Cugel the Clever posted:Holy poo poo. I've never actually heard Tebow speak—his accent sets off my gaydar, but not strongly enough to be sure it's not a false positive. It's a shame his zealotry will likely keep him too repressed from expressing who he is. Mel Mudkiper posted:It is when you explicitly use it as a criticism Harsh criticism right here.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:35
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Geostomp posted:I have wondered why anyone who is aware of that channel existing as super-Republican propaganda that revels in angering angering and mocking anyone of color or left of Mussolini to show off to their viewers ever agrees to show up there. No matter what they say, it'll be framed in such a way as to support the disgusting views the channel stands for. Because money.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:35
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Kilroy posted:he didn't use being or "sounding gay" as a criticism He was trying nullify the idea of a speaker by alluding to the fact he was speaking in a way that struck him as "gay" and that it potentially meant he was repressed That is the definition of a criticsm Castomira posted:Isn't he just going "I suspect him of being a self-loathing, repressed gay person, which is a shame?" Yeah, and its hosed to use the label of "self-loathing, repressed gay person" on an opponent. Taking a person's sexuality or assumed sexuality and using it as a tool to argue with is a backwards thing to do regardless of how much hedging and sympathy you put behind it. Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Jul 15, 2016 14:36
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Mel Mudkiper posted:He was trying nullify the idea of a speaker by alluding to the fact he was speaking in a way that struck him as "gay" and that it potentially meant he was repressed It always surprises me how quickly conservatives become lovely concern trolls when the target is a progressive.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:38
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Oh wait that doesn't surprise me at all because they've been doing that before "concern troll" was a defined thing.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:39
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Kilroy posted:It always surprises me how quickly conservatives What makes you think I am a conservative at all? Saying that even if you are strongly pro-gay and sympathetic to gay issues and rights its still not a good idea to use identity as a method to respond to an opponent doesn't make someone a secret underground conservative concern troll.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:40
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who gives a poo poo Mel MudkiperMel Mudkiper posted:Saying that even if you are strongly pro-gay and sympathetic to gay issues and rights its still not a good idea to use identity as a method to respond to an opponent doesn't make someone a secret underground conservative concern troll. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Jul 15, 2016 14:41
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Kilroy posted:who gives a poo poo Mel Mudkiper Um... Kilroy posted:He said nothing about the content of his speech in that post or any other post. Kilroy posted:Oh wait that doesn't surprise me at all because they've been doing that before "concern troll" was a defined thing. Kilroy posted:he didn't use "he sounds gay" as a criticism ...you?
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Jul 15, 2016 14:43
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Yeah, and its hosed to use the label of "self-loathing, repressed gay person" on an opponent. Taking a person's sexuality or assumed sexuality and using it as a tool to argue with is a backwards thing to do regardless of how much hedging and sympathy you put behind it. I honestly don't think I care if that's "backwards." It's a lovely place to be, and I've seen what it's done to people.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:44
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no I meant who gives a poo poo about your dumb posts I guess if defending another poster from your dumb concern trolls with one-liner poo poo posts means a give a poo poo, then I give a poo poo (but it does not)
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Jul 15, 2016 14:45
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Mr Interweb posted:Has Tim Tebow done anything as impressive as scoring four touchdowns in a single game? Tebow sucked in the pros, but was one of the top 10 college players of all time, probably. 
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Jul 15, 2016 14:45
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Kilroy posted:no I meant who gives a poo poo about your dumb posts Seriously, what makes thinking using sexuality as a tool to respond to an opponent is a bad thing to do a concern troll other than the fact you don't like admitting that maybe, despite absolute good intentions, people might say something that in hindsight was not the best thing to say? If you disagree with me, ok. Don't turn me into some stealth conservative boogie-man just because I am taking a position different to yours. Castomira posted:Uhh, I have zero opinions about Tim Tebow whatsoever, and I, too, think it would be a shame if he were, in fact, being made to suppress his sexuality. Yeah it would be a shame, but that isn't the point. The point is that its not fair to use assumptions about someones sexuality as a method of responding to their ideas.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:48
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Seriously, what makes thinking using sexuality as a tool to respond to an opponent is a bad thing to do a concern troll other than the fact you don't like admitting that maybe, despite absolute good intentions, people might say something that in hindsight was not the best thing to say?
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Jul 15, 2016 14:50
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Everyone's missing the point that Tebow is lovely because he filmed a Focus on the Family ad with his mom where he was like "Man, mom, I'm super glad you didn't abort me" with the implication that the women who get abortions are terrible people. Everything else about him is totally fine, but being an advocate for a lovely pro life group is lovely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqReTDJSdhE E: Okay, it's not quite as blatant as I made it seem, but gently caress Focus on the Family anyway.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:51
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Kilroy posted:no I meant who gives a poo poo about your dumb posts Again, you apparently. Even if it wasn't done as a criticism, it's still really gross and weird to speculate on someone else's sexuality. That's kind of a private thing, guys.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:53
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Keeshhound posted:Again, you apparently. Yeah pretty much Kilroy posted:I disagree with your premise, is the thing, and furthermore the fact that you have that premise in the first place is what leads me to suspect your motives. Someone taking a leftist position different from yours is a sign to suspect they are a troll? Do you honestly consider your own opinions the objective baserock of leftism that cannot be authentically deviated from? Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Jul 15, 2016 14:55
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Yeah it would be a shame, but that isn't the point. The point is that its not fair to use assumptions about someones sexuality as a method of responding to their ideas. I find myself agreeing with your argument, while simultaneously feeling like it had absolutely nothing to do with the post you were criticizing.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:12
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Castomira posted:What idea? The idea that Tim Tebow isn't going to speak at the RNC? Tim Tebow is a famous religious conservative with strong ties to anti-gay activism. Listening to him speak and going "hrm this is kind of setting off my gaydar" is a way of circumventing responding to how toxic his ideas are by speculating directly about his identity. Whether Tebow is gay or straight is irrelevant to the more important issue of how bad and unjustifiable the things he argues for are. I have the same issue when people use Milo's identity as something to respond to, or question the legitimacy of his identity. The sexual identity of an opponent, whether objective or speculative, should be off-limits in my opinion. Allowing sexual identity to factor into how we respond to an opponent gives power to the social forces that treat gay people as an "other". Even if you are doing it with the best intentions, or as a throw away comment, you are still participating in a narrative that has historically been used to de-humanize gays and we should try to avoid it. I am not saying speculating about Tebow's sexual identity is a deliberate and malicious attempt to attack him for being gay. I am saying using assumptions about his sexuality empowers harmful ideas about gays in the public discourse.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:21
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I watched a documentary once about self loathing, probably gay, politicians and the men who loved (banged) them. It was really interesting on one hand. A lot of these guys had especially harsh voting records on gay issues compared to other conservatives. On the other hand, it felt a little dirty that some of these lovers were outing the politicians. But back to the other hand again, these guys were pretty terrible. But then again... Anyway, poking at someone's way of talking to out them is middle school level stupid.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:29
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Fluffdaddy posted:Expand on that. What has he done other than be bad in the pros and lights out in college? Mel used to be a Broncos fan.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:34
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Chilichimp posted:Mel used to be a Broncos fan. I am kind of defending Tebow right now and it's killing me inside
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Jul 15, 2016 15:35
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 Tim Tebow is rad as gently caress and ya'll h8ers can suck the poo poo out of my rear end in a top hat.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:43
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I am pretty comfortable saying that, FOR AN NFL PLAYER, Tim Tebow was a decent guy. I hate him because I had to talk about how he was a bad QB every time I went home for 5 years because many, many casual and semi-casual fans were delusional on that score.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:43
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So what's everyone's opinion on th RBG "gaffe"? I feel like, again, the left is devouring it's own again by joining in the critique.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:45
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Bast Relief posted:So what's everyone's opinion on th RBG "gaffe"? I feel like, again, the left is devouring it's own again by joining in the critique. Objectively, a judge should not be giving statements like that about a presidential candidate. Subjectively, Trump is such a uniquely dangerous candidate that I think every person in a position of public authority has a moral responsibility to use that authority to condemn him and the danger of his rhetoric. Should a judge criticize a presidential candidate? No. Should a judge criticize Trump? Abso-loving-lutely.
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What's wrong with pointing out that a swishy guy is gay? As Dan Savage (PBUH) righteously said, "Not all gay men are sissies, but sissy men are overwhelmingly gay." It's part of a longstanding tradition of signaling your sexual interest/intent while also maintaining plausible deniability in places where being gay isn't safe. Like the tearoom trade it's becoming less common (certainly less necessary) with the rise of gay rights. But so what?
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