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Washout posted:Where is your lock picking? Can swash do that in IWD:EE? Also keep in mind that an optimised party for IWD1 is not an optimised party for IWD2 if you are planning on importing eventually it's a different bag of worms, since spellcasting is not as powerful. Swashbucklers don't get to backstab, but they do have full thief skillpoints. And there's no party importing between IWD1,EE and IWD2. The Ninth Layer posted:I'm starting up IWD:EE and I'm having party creation anxiety. Thinking about going something like Berserker, Swashbuckler, Archer, Sorcerer, Sorcerer, Cleric of Tempus. Do I have all the bases covered here? It's a fine party. You might want to have a wizard instead of that one sorcerer for increased spell flexibility.
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Metal Meltdown posted:When I played through IWD:EE I don't recall any complicated mage battles like BG2. IWD is the uncivilized lands so it's actually pretty rare you'll be fighting the casters that are so common in Baldurs Gate. Spellcasting is more integral in IWD:EE though because the fights are so huge that the most important things usually are crowd control. So your mages have to be throwing down web and all that stuff almost every fight.
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May 7, 2015 23:59
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The Ninth Layer posted:I'm starting up IWD:EE and I'm having party creation anxiety. Thinking about going something like Berserker, Swashbuckler, Archer, Sorcerer, Sorcerer, Cleric of Tempus. Do I have all the bases covered here? I'd switch out a sorcerer for a druid and change the other sorc to wizard. I forgot how much druids rule in IWD.
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Disco Infiva posted:It's a fine party. You might want to have a wizard instead of that one sorcerer for increased spell flexibility. Okay. I was under the impression that scrolls were pretty scarce in IWD which is why I was thinking about going double sorc. Washout posted:I'd switch out a sorcerer for a druid and change the other sorc to wizard. I forgot how much druids rule in IWD. Okay I may do that instead then. From my BG2 days way back when I remember that druids were one of the worse classes.
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May 8, 2015 00:07
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cheesetriangles posted:Why is illusionist/thief so good? Specialist mage perks, and Mislead is basically All Day Backstab Mode. The only reliable way to dispel it is to True Sight in range of the clone, so you can cast it as soon as you enter an area, and leave the clone there.
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cheesetriangles posted:Why is illusionist/thief so good? Gnomes get improved saving throws and AC vs giants, and the illusionist/thief is the only multi that gets a mage specialization, you can't dual for a specialization either, illusionist spells are some of the most powerful in the game and in trade for an extra spell every level you give up necromancy and iirc the only good spell there is skull trap which is not even used much once you get into BG2 where a ton of enemies are magic resistant and by that time you get delayed blast fireball if you really want to blow things up. Misdirect turns you invisible and creates a dummy for the enemies to beat on, so you can just misdirect and backstab over and over and murder just about everything. Mage/Thief multis and duals can do that too but for one less spell per day at all levels and without the gnome bonuses. The Ninth Layer posted:Okay. I was under the impression that scrolls were pretty scarce in IWD which is why I was thinking about going double sorc. They are crowd control kings with entangle and ground spike and animal summoning. Washout fucked around with this message at 00:17 on May 8, 2015 |
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Wall of moonlight is also a pretty cool spell for encounters in tight corridors. I'm playing through Trials of the Luremaster, and I can't seem to kill the spectral guards on the ground floor of Castle Maluradek. Does anyone have any advice? I've tried to use my druid and cleric to summon a bunch of fodder while my mage lays down grease and web spells and my archers pelt them, but I can't seem to get through them in time before I get swarmed and they kill everybody.
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Metal Meltdown posted:When I played through IWD:EE I don't recall any complicated mage battles like BG2. IWD is the uncivilized lands so it's actually pretty rare you'll be fighting the casters that are so common in Baldurs Gate. There's one in Chapter 6 which includes contingencies, but it doesn't involve Breach or similar.
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May 8, 2015 01:41
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Washout posted:you give up necromancy and iirc the only good spell there is skull trap which is not even used much once you get into BG2 where a ton of enemies are magic resistant and by that time you get delayed blast fireball if you really want to blow things up. Um. Think you might have forgotten about something at level 8. 
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May 8, 2015 13:34
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Smashing Link posted:Quoted for truth. If you want your thief to have a kit my favorites are Swashbuckler into a dual or pure Bounty Hunter. Traps are absurdly strong and baiting enemies into a massively disadvantageous position never gets old. Also focusing on traps for a while makes other thieves in your party less redundant.
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Thinking about going back to my bg2 illusionist fighter. What would the dual wield weapon progression look like? Last time I played (years and years ago) I did katana kensai/mage and remember the ce adventure mart off hand was good but also wasn't sure if I should be thinking apr weapon instead
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a medical mystery posted:If you want your thief to have a kit my favorites are Swashbuckler into a dual or pure Bounty Hunter. Traps are absurdly strong and baiting enemies into a massively disadvantageous position never gets old. Also focusing on traps for a while makes other thieves in your party less redundant. Bounty Hunter is a super-pro-tip class for solo play.
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Metal Meltdown posted:When I played through IWD:EE I don't recall any complicated mage battles like BG2. IWD is the uncivilized lands so it's actually pretty rare you'll be fighting the casters that are so common in Baldurs Gate. Arivia posted:There's one in Chapter 6 which includes contingencies, but it doesn't involve Breach or similar. Time to start thinking about party composition, then. Hughlander posted:Thinking about going back to my bg2 illusionist fighter. What would the dual wield weapon progression look like? BG1 without ranged weapon proficiencies was rough for the character, though. Fighter/Mage multiclasses are strong throughout the game(s), but they still have some fairly pronounced ups and downs at lower levels that you'll feel a lot more if the character's hanging out in melee all the time.
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May 8, 2015 21:12
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Playing through IWD:EE and wow my archer is just making GBS threads on all these goblins and orcs. This one guy does more damage than the rest of my party combined. Granted I'm at like level 3 still.
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May 8, 2015 21:21
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Archer made my first run through IWD:EE a bit too easy. I am contemplating a 2nd run through with a custom party of 3 half-elves: F/M, F/C, F/T. Will see how it goes. Archer is really strong though.
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May 8, 2015 21:26
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Smashing Link posted:Archer made my first run through IWD:EE a bit too easy. I am contemplating a 2nd run through with a custom party of 3 half-elves: F/M, F/C, F/T. Will see how it goes. Archer is really strong though.
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Since Throne of Bhaal was getting kinda boring I started over in 1:EE with a solo dual class character, currently level 3 fighter and level 4 thief. Been interesting backstabbing the poo poo out of everything now that I'm over the hump and can use my fighter skills again. Said hump was trivial once I remembered I could get the friendly ghoul to help me wipe out some high xp basalisks without risk to my character. And since I didn't need Evermemory anyways the nice big chunk of change that gave me has let me splurge on +1 weapons and 80 +2 arrows before I took one step into the Nashkell Mines. Can't wait to backstab the gently caress out of Mulahey. 
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I dont understand why i cant get another proficiency slot in my two handed sword proficiency when I have a proficiency point to spend. My paladin has two proficiency points, and I leveled up and see I have one to spend, but I can't spend it where I want to. Do I need 3 proficiency points to purchase the third point to get master? How can I level up without spending proficiency points and just take the health?Parts Kit posted:Since Throne of Bhaal was getting kinda boring I started over in 1:EE with a solo dual class character, currently level 3 fighter and level 4 thief. Been interesting backstabbing the poo poo out of everything now that I'm over the hump and can use my fighter skills again. Said hump was trivial once I remembered I could get the friendly ghoul to help me wipe out some high xp basalisks without risk to my character. And since I didn't need Evermemory anyways the nice big chunk of change that gave me has let me splurge on +1 weapons and 80 +2 arrows before I took one step into the Nashkell Mines. Can you post your character stats? Trying to have six fuckers path around in this game is infuriating.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:I dont understand why i cant get another proficiency slot in my two handed sword proficiency when I have a proficiency point to spend. My paladin has two proficiency points, and I leveled up and see I have one to spend, but I can't spend it where I want to. Do I need 3 proficiency points to purchase the third point to get master? How can I level up without spending proficiency points and just take the health? Paladins are limited to only two proficiency points per weapon type.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:I dont understand why i cant get another proficiency slot in my two handed sword proficiency when I have a proficiency point to spend. My paladin has two proficiency points, and I leveled up and see I have one to spend, but I can't spend it where I want to. Do I need 3 proficiency points to purchase the third point to get master? How can I level up without spending proficiency points and just take the health? Generally speaking only fighters can put 3 or more pips in a specialization. Paladins can only put in 2 in a given specialization. A lot of classes and kits can only do 1. There are some exceptions of course, like a kit that can put three pips in something like two weapon specialization, but I don't know them offhand . Basically you've got to put it in something else as you have to spend it to level up.
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Well gently caress. Are rangers better with two bastard swords, or a bastard sword and shield?
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:Well gently caress. Depends on the swords and the shield and your level and stats and proficiencies and what you're fighting.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:I dont understand why i cant get another proficiency slot in my two handed sword proficiency when I have a proficiency point to spend. My paladin has two proficiency points, and I leveled up and see I have one to spend, but I can't spend it where I want to. Do I need 3 proficiency points to purchase the third point to get master? How can I level up without spending proficiency points and just take the health? The third point doesn't do that much for you. The second point gives you 1/2 an attack, +1 thac0, +2 damage. The third point gives you +2 thac0, +1 damage. It's not a disaster that some classes are limited to 2 points, and lets you level up other weapons for situational use.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:Well gently caress. Later on, dual-wielding is generally better, but in BG1 and early BG2 sword and board definitely has its place. General advice for a bastard sword-using Ranger would be to level a ranged weapon and a melee weapon that does a different damage type, preferably crushing. The first is more important in BG1, the second in BG2. Hammers can cover both to some degree, but aren't the only option.
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Hammer or flail really, not any reason to take maces necessarily, unless you decide you don't want to take longswords ever. There is only one good mace and there is a longsword that does the same thing and there are a million good longswords. There are very few good bastard swords, but more than there used to be before EE. Paladin should at least put one point in Two Handed swords and one in two handed style the second pip in two handed style is basically useless. Rangers can spread points all over the place, and there is really no reason to put a 3rd pip into two weapon spec because you don't swing your off hander nearly as often so you are better off branching out and just getting prof in more different types of weapons. The most powerful weapons in the game are Two handed swords, hammers, flails (just one flail but it's probably the best weapon in the game), and longswords. There are a few outliers but not very many, like one really good bastard sword, one katana, and that's about all I can remember. Washout fucked around with this message at 20:50 on May 9, 2015 |
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All good points if you're optimizing your weapon selection, yeah. Personally, I wouldn't go with Hammers, actually. At least not in combination with Bastard Swords, because that's gonna be a looooong time without even one decent set of weapons in BG2 unless you rush Watcher's Keep (and even then you don't get anything too special iirc).
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Wizard Styles posted:All good points if you're optimizing your weapon selection, yeah. Angurvadal is in Watcher's Keep, at least.
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Arivia posted:Angurvadal is in Watcher's Keep, at least. It's a longsword tho. Foebane is on the first floor, you can easily do the first floor right at the beginning of BG2 and get it. It's really the only good bastard sword in the game. Trying to use bastard swords through BG1 is really not a big deal because all the weapons in BG1 are not all that powerful anyway. Washout fucked around with this message at 23:28 on May 9, 2015 |
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I'm playing Icewind Dale Enhanced Edition. At what level should I attempt the big tomb in the vale of shadows? The number of undead shitters that run around on level 2 and 3 is loving ridiculous. My lovely mage knows something like 3 spells, but my fighters all have +1 weapons, so I shouldn't be being stomped on so regularly.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:I'm playing Icewind Dale Enhanced Edition.  General advice still stands, but it's hard to say what the best proficiency to invest in would be due to lots of stuff being random loot. I want to say that I remember there being a good non-random Morning Star later on, but to be honest, that might as well be wrong. quote:At what level should I attempt the big tomb in the vale of shadows? The number of undead shitters that run around on level 2 and 3 is loving ridiculous. My lovely mage knows something like 3 spells, but my fighters all have +1 weapons, so I shouldn't be being stomped on so regularly.
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Washout posted:It's a longsword tho. The anti-shapeshifter bastard sword is situationally useful, at least. There are a whole bunch of those enemies after a certain story point.
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God drat IWD is loving bad. Trying to fight Lysan in the Vale of Shadows is an exercise in frustration. On the off chance she doesn't save vs. spell with a color spray, she's blinded. This doesn't stop her at all from walking around and casting spells like nothing happened, or summoning her six loving yeti guards. What a lovely mess to have six yeti's pounding you into dust while Lysan walks around blind and casting spells at 1 per second.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:God drat IWD is loving bad. Trying to fight Lysan in the Vale of Shadows is an exercise in frustration. On the off chance she doesn't save vs. spell with a color spray, she's blinded. This doesn't stop her at all from walking around and casting spells like nothing happened, or summoning her six loving yeti guards. What a lovely mess to have six yeti's pounding you into dust while Lysan walks around blind and casting spells at 1 per second.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:God drat IWD is loving bad. Trying to fight Lysan in the Vale of Shadows is an exercise in frustration. On the off chance she doesn't save vs. spell with a color spray, she's blinded. This doesn't stop her at all from walking around and casting spells like nothing happened, or summoning her six loving yeti guards. What a lovely mess to have six yeti's pounding you into dust while Lysan walks around blind and casting spells at 1 per second. I'm pretty good at infinity games and I did not enjoy the combat in IWD. It's balanced around very heavy reliance on mage-based crowd control and an assumption of a min-maxed party.
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Draile posted:I'm pretty good at infinity games and I did not enjoy the combat in IWD. It's balanced around very heavy reliance on mage-based crowd control and an assumption of a min-maxed party.
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I'm playing ID:EE too and I love all the different bard songs, especially the one that gives regeneration. Is there a mod that adds the ID bard songs to Baldur's Gate?
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zedprime posted:It doesn't address the min-max comment (but less can be more with tactics appropriate to the make-up) but unless EE broke everything, we are talking about the game where 4 fighters, a druid (you can drop for another fighter but weapons and armor will be in short supply), and a bard can run over everything like a monster truck if you hate flavor classes or crowd control and love pure damage. What kind of fighters? Do you mean pure fighters or a fighter with some kind of kit?
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I assume he means regular fighters since the original ID didn't have kits. Of course having kits makes the EE a little easier.
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Caveat that is a party build for people who hate fun and love missile firing squads standing behind doors, but it turns out I hate fun and love missile firing squads behind doors so much everything but a druid or bard becomes dead wood because they end up just being a fighter with a sling and bad THAC0.
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