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jrodefeld posted:I have to say, paragon1, that your posts have by far been filled with the most hate and vitriol of anyone on here. And they have been full of inaccuracies as well. You don't even state my position correctly before you proceed to spew vitriol in my direction. I stated clearly and unequivocally that I belief in the science of vaccination and I get the shots that me and my doctor agree is in my best interest. You are a repugnant human being and you have repeatedly demonstrated your intellectual dishonesty and cowardice. You have defended and repeated reprehensible opinions and ideas. Cut your false pretention to civility and rained debate, because you've yet to demonstrate any good faith in these discussions.
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jrodefeld posted:Don't be loving stupid. Quarantine doesn't mean "certain death". They would get medical treatment at a hospital. A libertarian society will provide treatment for those that need it. All I'm saying is that you can't be diagnosed with Ebola and just choose to go to work and walk around infecting people. People will not permit such a thing and nor should they. Uh, then why should they permit people to walk around unvaccinated when measles is contagious for up to four days before symptoms appear? If you want us to be Libertarian on vaxx issues, you've got to give us something better than "Oh don't worry about prevention, we can always lock the barn door shut good and tight after the horse gets out!" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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jrodefeld posted:Rand Paul didn't say anything about Autism. His statement on the live tv interview was ambiguous and could be interpreted differently. At a bare minimum a responsible journalist would have tracked him down and asked him for clarification on what he meant and if he felt there was a link between vaccines and autism. The problem is that people who already hated Rand were looking for anything and everything to discredit him with. "I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines" -- Rand Paul This is a direct quote from an interview where a reporter was asking for clarification on previous comments that he had made related to vaccines. At the drop of a hat he is ready to espouse an antivax viewpoint based on made up anecdotal stories, and this brings his credibility into serious question (although being a libertarian shithead does that, too)
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President Kucinich posted:Diagnosed by who and how? Using what funds? Using what credentials? So people wouldn't want to not get ebola without the State? There wouldn't be private drug companies and medical research labs who would see the value and profit motive in creating a vaccine for ebola?
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jrodefeld posted:Don't be loving stupid. Quarantine doesn't mean "certain death". They would get medical treatment at a hospital. A libertarian society will provide treatment for those that need it. All I'm saying is that you can't be diagnosed with Ebola and just choose to go to work and walk around infecting people. People will not permit such a thing and nor should they. You assert these things with zero evidence. Again. Who is going to provide the treatment? Who is going to prevent them from walking around with ebola? What if they're an asymptomatic carrier?
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jrodefeld posted:So people wouldn't want to not get ebola without the State? There wouldn't be private drug companies and medical research labs who would see the value and profit motive in creating a vaccine for ebola? Considering that most vaccine research is done with public funding, including ebola vaccine research, apparently it's not a big enough priority to merit very much private effort. Research would occur, of course, but not nearly to the same degree (because ebola is not very contagious and vaccines aren't nearly as profitable as prolonged and potentially repeated treatment).
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jrodefeld posted:So people wouldn't want to not get ebola without the State? There wouldn't be private drug companies and medical research labs who would see the value and profit motive in creating a vaccine for ebola? No, poor Africans can't pay enough to recoup the costs. It's not illegal to develop an Ebola vaccine, jrod. If there is profit to be made, why haven't the innovative and rationally self-interested (or potentially dishonest and incompetent, depending on which is more convenient to your argument at the time) drug companies scooped the government? They've have 40 years. Are you telling me the feeble, incompetent, worthless state is better at drug research than free men and women with noses for gold?  Say it ain't so!
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jrodefeld posted:I have to say, paragon1, that your posts have by far been filled with the most hate and vitriol of anyone on here. And they have been full of inaccuracies as well. You don't even state my position correctly before you proceed to spew vitriol in my direction. I stated clearly and unequivocally that I belief in the science of vaccination and I get the shots that me and my doctor agree is in my best interest. so as someone who believes so soundly in the ability of the market to establish common consensus, why do you continue to post in the face of such overwhelming hostility? doesn't every long idiotic response you make contradict your own deeply held beliefs? you're clearly being rejected by the community here, so what drives your missionary attitude? is it an unwillingness to admit that you may be wrong?
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jrodefeld posted:Don't be loving stupid. Quarantine doesn't mean "certain death". They would get medical treatment at a hospital. A libertarian society will provide treatment for those that need it. All I'm saying is that you can't be diagnosed with Ebola and just choose to go to work and walk around infecting people. People will not permit such a thing and nor should they. What hospital would willingly accep ta disease with such a negative perception? If word got out that JRod Memorial Hospital was treating an ebola patient then they'd lose tons of business. Obviously people will try to force an ebola patient into some sort of quarantine, but beyond that you're pretty much hosed
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jrodefeld posted:So people wouldn't want to not get ebola without the State? There wouldn't be private drug companies and medical research labs who would see the value and profit motive in creating a vaccine for ebola? in the reality which i and many others inhabit, and which i hope you inhabit too, the government is the primary source of funding for ebola vaccines. -can you substantiate any actual argument that in the absence of this funding, an ebola vaccine would be generated by the private market? i do not belive you can -how do you explain the failure of the free market to produce such a vaccine as of yet?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:why do you think doctors are paragons of independent credibility and doctor-bureaucrats are necessarily statist drones? you dont seem to accept that doctors are just as capable of wrongdoing as government. i think you just have an irrational hatred of government No I have a "hatred" of initiatory violence. Doctors can be very wrong about many things but the difference is that they have to compete with many other doctors on the market for my business as a patient and consumer. Those who work through the State take my property through taxation against my will and/or initiate violence against me through legislation.
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jrodefeld posted:No I have a "hatred" of initiatory violence. Doctors can be very wrong about many things but the difference is that they have to compete with many other doctors on the market for my business as a patient and consumer. Those who work through the State take my property through taxation against my will and/or initiate violence against me through legislation. so you do actually have a hatred of government, because you see government as the sole source of initiatory violence when did you develop this odd fixation on government? was it in adolesence? where in your life did you get it in your head that government was the source of all your problems and that if only big bad statism didn't exist, you would have the blessed and happy existence that is your birthright? i don't expect you to be willing or even capable of answering this question, but maybe after some reflection you may be able to realize that government is not the source of all the problems in your life. there is one common denominator there that cannot be externalized into whatever you find distasteful about the world. when i was in undergrad, i felt that my big bogeyman was consumerism.
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Ebola treatment ain't cheap either. But we can't have people who can't afford to be in an isolation ward roaming the streets initiating force by spreading disease. If you see someone who looks sick, call your DRO today. After an initial credit check we'l send an emergency response team to defensively escort him to a top hospital for a nominal free or use retaliatory force to shove him inside his house and burn it to the ground. You're welcome, citizen! Oh don't forget you install your mandatory wireless temperature monitor, or we'll revoke your policy. Since we already know your account balances are insufficient, you'll be alerted to any change in your health in the comfort of your own home by our quick-response flamethrower brigade.
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jrodefeld posted:No I have a "hatred" of initiatory violence. Doctors can be very wrong about many things but the difference is that they have to compete with many other doctors on the market for my business as a patient and consumer. Those who work through the State take my property through taxation against my will and/or initiate violence against me through legislation. Yeah but state coercion when it comes to drug approval and mandatory vaccines has been demonstrated to save a huge number of lives, so by the Libertarian Theory of That Nice SS Dude, those tax-levying violence-initiating state employees are double heroes and you ought to throw them a ticker-tape parade and forgive their property crimes against you, just like the Jewish families at SS Dude's Nuremberg trial.
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jrodefeld posted:No I have a "hatred" of initiatory violence. Doctors can be very wrong about many things but the difference is that they have to compete with many other doctors on the market for my business as a patient and consumer. Those who work through the State take my property through taxation against my will and/or initiate violence against me through legislation. We have made a collective decision to offset the right to not kill yourself and your offspring against our right not to die. Apparently you support this logic, but insist it can only be expressed through the market. We are inclined to disagree. In any event, the mechanism by which we express our collective will to not permit others to risk our lives is not really at issue, since the mere refusal of a person to vaccinate their children is an interference with our right to the quiet and peaceful enjoyment of our lives. At that point, no matter what, the anti-vaxer has forfeited her right to not be interfered with herself. 'Initiatory' is not a helpful addendum to the concept of violence in dealing with the question of vaccines because who is initiating violence is not clear in that scenario. I do wonder why you don't use the term 'interference' instead, since it is rather more helpful and fulsome. I suspect because it's not a word used by the kooky strain of small-statism to which you belong. Disinterested fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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jrodefeld posted:And reading comprehension is apparently lacking with many if not most of you. I didn't argue "against well-established medical practice". Rather, I said it is wrong to use force to make people get vaccines against their will. You must use persuasion and evidence to get them to practice good health habits. Hello! Actual Marxist here. Yes, I have considered this notion, in point of fact. I have considered it long and hard, since it is - more or less - the stated end-goal of the political branch of the ideology I subscribe to. Unfortunately, I have also come to the conclusion that, based on the available evidence of history, we may not ever reach or be ready for such a society, so until then I'd like to get as close to it as we can. That, however, requires a power to stand against the Capitalist classes and their bourgeoisie fellow-travellers. That power is the State. jrodefeld posted:For the record, I don't claim that I know which vaccines make sense and which medical treatments are the best. I leave such decisions to my doctors. Who, as has already been proven in this thread, are funded by Capitalists under current US healthcare law in order to market their drugs to the public. Not the best, most efficient drugs for your illness, mind you, but drugs proprietary to that company. To them, you are nothing but a walking payday. If you think for a second that private companies care for your well-being beyond the money you put in their already bloated pockets, you are a dupe. jrodefeld posted:
Which only proves what I said directly above. If he actually exists and have voiced these opinions, he is on the company pay-roll. jrodefeld posted:This study "Annual vaccination against influenza virus hampers development of virus-specific CD8⁺ T cell immunity in children" is supportive of this claim. Utter bullshit, and already handled by other posters in the thread, so I'll elide it apart from adding my support to theirs. jrodefeld posted:The human body is incredibly complicated. I would encourage more long term studies to be undertaken to study the long term effects of heavy vaccination versus little or no vaccination on human health over a lifetime. Yes it is. And funnily enough, we do have studies that show the long-term effects of vaccination. Here's one from earlier in the thread, even!  Funnily enough, it turns out people don't catch highly contagious, communicable diseases if you vaccinate against them. jrodefeld posted:The claim that their aren't reputable studies that support concerns over the safety of certain vaccines is absolutely, flat out incorrect. Show me... five. jrodefeld posted:But regardless of this hard data, the real issue is your insistence on initiating violence against people who disagree with you. If the evidence is so conclusive and persuasive, you should be able to voluntarily persuade enough people to get vaccinated to create the sought after herd immunity where those stubborn hold outs will have little effect on overall public safety. None of us are using guns. You are not oppressed by us. Even speaking from a position of privilege as I am, being a white male, I can tell you that the real oppression is coming from those Capitalist interests that are influencing and suborning the political structure of the United States to their own ends. Don't be their errand-boy and defender any more, JRod. Realize the truth: That they have duped you, suborned your righteous indignation against the dysfunctional system that the money-power has set up. See the shackles of false ideology holding you back, and break them. Break them and join the side that stands up for those who have nothing instead of those who have all. Join us... Comrade. TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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jrodefeld posted:I have to say, paragon1, that your posts have by far been filled with the most hate and vitriol of anyone on here. And they have been full of inaccuracies as well. You don't even state my position correctly before you proceed to spew vitriol in my direction. I stated clearly and unequivocally that I belief in the science of vaccination and I get the shots that me and my doctor agree is in my best interest. No, it doesn't matter to me because you are being an intellectually dishonest fucker as usual. You are deliberately spreading bullshit misinformation about a core method of public health to defend someone because they're a member of your political club. Whatever you practice personally and privately is irrelevant. You are attempting to aid, defend, and excuse one of the most vile and dangerous things a human being can believe, and it should not be tolerated. Not for a moment, not even a little. Newsflash dipshit: Hating someone for their opinion is perfectly valid when that opinion is in service to something that is utterly vile.
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God I love this thread. Is there any conspiracy theory a Libertarian won't fall for if it name-drops von Mises?  Hey kid, did you know that nearly every scientist and doctor in the world is wrong about HIV, and AIDS is actually caused by not giving me all your money? Just look at Magic Johnson, didn't give me his money, riddled with AIDS. You insult me sir! As a skeptical and well-read devotee of science, I do my own research and weigh all sides. You'll need some ironclad evidence to win me over given the strengths of your opponents' arguments! The government agrees with my opponents. Sold! 
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VitalSigns posted:God I love this thread. This post is a good example of how to use smilies and how to post. is basically the Libertarian smiley.
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jrodefeld posted:I want to follow up on our earlier conversations, but I'd like to talk about another subject for a minute. What's the max length of a thread title exactly? This is just too perfect. Political Whores posted:Not HPV vaccine side effects. You are a crank jrod. You are on the level of a 9/11 truther. Seriously anybody who gives you the benefit of the doubt at this point is a saint. Yeah, I mentioned before that I'm done giving him the benefit of the doubt. If there's a theory out there that involves the government doing something bad, jrod probably believes it, regardless of how obviously stupid it is. He just can't help himself. Your post brings up something important, actually: What do you think happened on 9/11, Jrod?
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You can't win in Libertopia, ever. "Hello boss, I'm calling because I'm feeling really bad and puking all over the place. I'm staying at home to quarentine myself." "Very considerate of you, man. Also, you're fired, you lazy bum. There's work here that needs doing." -versus- "Howdy boss, I'm coughing blood and really dizzy, but instead of staying at home like a lazy moocher, I took every pill I could find and came to work like a good drone!" "Holy poo poo! how DARE you initiate aggression against me by bringing in your filthy germs? You're fired, and you'll be hearing from my lawyer! You're lucky I don't just hire Valhalla DRO to murder your tocix rear end." Though I have to say I like the idea of old folks going around pointing shotguns at anyone who coughs, as they are directly threatening their health. And I just paid myself ten bucks for betting rightly that Jrod would clearly toss Rand Paul's remark down the memory hole, like he did with Molyneuax and Hoppe. In fact, it was the reporter's fault for not chasing Paul down and actively seeking the most harmless, benevolent construction of eveyr sentence that comes out of Paul's holy lips. Also, is anyone else amused at libertarians&conservatives claiming that litigation is the end-all-be-all of regulations, then turn on a dime and bat for tort reform and other measures to remove all teeth from bigshots caught in the wrong? Why would anyone above middle class fear being sued if there's a very low cap on damages and class actions are verboten? Assuming Jrod's fever-dream theories could support a mildly working legal system, mind.
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too many vaccines? Vaccines compromise the 'natural immunity' of chilfren? You know, as much as I get that not everyone can be well versed in all the complex science of stuff like global warming or vaccination, I still think a certain level of ignorance is simply unexcusable. You have just shown, without any doubt in my mind, that you are that kind of ignorant Jrod. You might as welll believe pixies' farting is the main drive mechanism in cars, your relationship with real science and understanding is that flawed.
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What happens if during the measles outbreak in Libertopia, people in a town decide to quarantine all Latinos because they're dirty Mexican foreign devils trying to infect Aryan children? Please keep in mind that this is not an uncommon opinion on where the disease comes from, and so shunning this town may not be an option.
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Ahahaha I missed the "natural immunity" part. As if your body tailoring antibodies after being exposed to foreign antigens isn't exactly how "natural immunity" forms.
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Jrod, tell me what the paper on the HPV vaccine says. Explain it in your own words, summarize it. Tell me how many cases it reviews, and why you think it would stand scrutiny as an argument of the great potential dangers of the HPV vaccine or vaccination in general. Because I feel like you probably just googled that without even bothering to look at it, and I think that's rather telling for your entire approach to debate and arguing your ideas in general.
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jrodefeld posted:Way to strawman my argument. No I don't think people are capable on their own of evaluating which drugs or vaccines they may or may not need. I would trust doctors to make those decisions. Doctors, not State-sponsored entities that may have conflicts of interest or taxpayer subsidized and propped up pharmaceutical lobbyists who use the State to push their drugs and profit from distorting the market to their advantage. Doctors who would have independence and who would use their best judgment to determine the best medical treatment for their patients. I object to you loving breathing you imbecile.
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Jrod, your solution is always the institution of some proto-state like apparatus. The fact that you seem to think competition would make a big difference is nice (although doesn't take in to account perverse incentives or cartel behaviours) but you're winding up with almost the same organisation you would have had anyway, but this time there is no political oversight. The market already offers the same checks and balances for medicines that exist in your libertopia, just with a state backstop against bad behaviour.
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jrodefeld posted:No I have a "hatred" of initiatory violence. Doctors can be very wrong about many things but the difference is that they have to compete with many other doctors on the market for my business as a patient and consumer. Those who work through the State take my property through taxation against my will and/or initiate violence against me through legislation. They also compete for the money of pharma reps in an alarming fashion, but hey yeah, lets just pretend that doctors are the only ones with your best interests in mind despite all evidence to the contrary. jrodefeld posted:Rand Paul didn't say anything about Autism. His statement on the live tv interview was ambiguous and could be interpreted differently. At a bare minimum a responsible journalist would have tracked him down and asked him for clarification on what he meant and if he felt there was a link between vaccines and autism. The problem is that people who already hated Rand were looking for anything and everything to discredit him with. Its called context you incorrigible piece of human excrement. Rand Paul spent at least nineteen years as a member of the AASP, a group that (among other things) believes that Vaccines cause autism. He went on national TV and reiterated an incorrect "fact" that vaccines cause profound mental disorders for kids who were normally walking and talking before hand. What did he mean? Seriously Jrod what did he mean? Because Rand Paul has tried to walk this back since then by saying he didn't mean to imply a link between vaccines and autism, only a temporal link. In his own retraction (which is bullshit) he himself makes it clear that he was talking about autism there. I know that you think he must be perfect for your worldview to not shatter, but you are defending someone who thinks something profoundly wrong by trying to pretend that this was not at all what he said. Moreover, how the gently caress do you think he got out his clarifications? Reporters were clammering at his loving door asking for clarification about the statement he'd made, they didn't' just let him say that and shrug and go on with their lives. You need help Jrodefeld. I don't say that to be funny I mean it seriously. You defend Vagina Boomerang guys and medical doctors that think vaccines cause autism. Oh and finally I want to address something else. quote:Kathryn Muratore This woman is a loving quack. Want proof? quote:Early last week, The Lancet (a medical journal) retracted the 1998 paper that allegedly linked the MMR vaccine to autism. This is actually a very interesting story with more to it than you might initially suspect. To be clear, the 1998 paper that was retracted was a fraud. I mean this in the legal sense, Andrew Wakefeld was stripped of his medical license for the paper after it was proven that he falsified data and effectively made the entire thing up. When she says that he had a vaccine patent she is right, he had made his own vaccine and then he created a false paper to justify the idea of splitting the MMR vaccine into three separate shots so that he could sell it. Her assertion that its just the big old media starting a panic is loving absurd. The whole point of his study was to cause a panic and get the MMR vaccine retracted. That was the reason for his study. To suggest that his paper didn't basically scream "Vaccines cause autism" simply because he knew he couldn't fake the results that well to imply causation.... well its about par for the course with you actually.
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My guess is that Jrod went to mises.org for their daily philosophical evacuation into his brain and got a load full of anti-vaxx bullshit, thinking this was the brilliant new angle he needed to win us over. I highly doubt he bothered reading most or any of what she said, beyond skimming for a chunk he could dump on us. Seriously, read the studies he posted and tell me Jrod understands sourcing or argumentation at all. It's come to the point where I feel insulted as as scholar every time he posts.
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jrodefeld posted:No I have a "hatred" of initiatory violence. Doctors can be very wrong about many things but the difference is that they have to compete with many other doctors on the market for my business as a patient and consumer. Those who work through the State take my property through taxation against my will and/or initiate violence against me through legislation. Initiate violence against yourself by putting a bullet in your head.
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Hey yeah, if people working with their independent doctors exercising their best judgment to protect their patients is a better safeguard than the FDA, then why does it matter if the FDA lets a dangerous drug through? Why does it matter one whit what the FDA does? Why are doctors prescribing and patients even taking drugs that the FDA has to recall? Does the existence of a state make people magically not give a poo poo about their health or something?
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VitalSigns posted:Hey yeah, if people working with their independent doctors exercising their best judgment to protect their patients is a better safeguard than the FDA, then why does it matter if the FDA lets a dangerous drug through? Why does it matter one whit what the FDA does? Why are doctors prescribing and patients even taking drugs that the FDA has to recall? no incentive not to get sick/break a limb, doy 
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I want to remind everyone that jrod has referred to someone in a country with socialized medicine or other safety nets being hospitalized as them getting "paid vacations" and being disincentivized from staying healthy. He is a complete uneducated retard and the topic of healthcare and it should come as no surprise that he's an anti-vaxxer too.
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I think it's worth pointing out at this juncture that while JRod will always default to 'property rights' as his mystical Source Of All Morality and Ethics, he is also drawing heavily on Labour Therory of Value, videlicet this whole notion of 'homesteading': By 'mixing his Labour With the Land', the libertarian gains the right of property over that land, and it's clear that when he tries to reconcile the conflicting theories of value, he ends up running into trouble. The Labour Theory of value - obviously - holds that it is the efforts of the labourer going into the production of a commodity or providing a service that gives said commodity or service its value. Marx, of course, did not subscribe wholly to this view, arguing that there was a distinction to be drawn between exchange value, price, 'real' value and use value, that would make nature just as much a source of value as labour. Greatly simplified, in Marxist economic theory the Exchange Value is what you could expect to get by exchanging commodity A for another commodity, the Use Value is the percieved ability of commodity A to fulfill some sort of need for an individual, the 'real' value is commodity A's benefit to an economic agent ( merchant, retailer, etc. ), and the price is how much Money commodity A will actually sell for, which is not necessarily the same as its value. Now, this is seemingly far, far from the principles JRod have set out so far, to be sure. However, by attempting to appropriate the Labour theory of value, particularly the idea that labour in and of itself has an inherent worth ( remember, it is only by mixing their labour with something that Libertarians gain ownership and property-rights to something ), JRod is implicitly agreeing with Marxist theory of value and labour. The problem is, perversely, that he does not go far enough: Having - as I've already established above - implicitly accepted the Marxist ideas of Labour and value, the logical next step is the realization that private property cannot exist on a grand scale. If the Marxist theory of labour and value is accepted , and again, JRod and libertariansim clearly does, there is no way that any Capitalist investor or factory-owner can pay a worker anywhere near the actual value of his labour and still make a profit. By doing so, they would be engaging in coercive exploitation and outright theft which would violate the NAP. The only way to square this circle is, ironically, to go full Communist and institute a large-scale redistribution of wealth and property, as - by their implicit acceptace of Marx' theories and the NAP - to do otherwise would be to engage in the grossest theft and coercion. I say again: Welcome, Comrade!
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