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Reality Loser posted:Is there anything I can do to encourage Canada to accept the Hispanic immigrants that America wants nothing to do with? We'd have to invade and storm the
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Reality Loser posted:Is there anything I can do to encourage Canada to accept the Hispanic immigrants that America wants nothing to do with? I wish I could remember the name of it but we signed a treaty or bill or something years ago that prevents us from being a third party involved in immigration with the USA. So you could contact your MP about nixing that I guess. e: Its called the Safe Third Country Agreement e2: Of loving course it was signed by Harper and W Furnaceface fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Jun 23, 2018 |
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Furnaceface posted:I wish I could remember the name of it but we signed a treaty or bill or something years ago that prevents us from being a third party involved in immigration with the USA. So you could contact your MP about nixing that I guess. There's been a lot of noise lately about killing that agreement by racists and non-racists alike!
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It makes total sense when you see the picture of her mother. she's black
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Calling for referendums is coward politics https://twitter.com/brent_bellamy/status/1009834952031170560?s=21
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The National Post got pretty deep into the weeds of this Justin Trudeau groping a reporter 18 years ago story today. http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/why-an-18-year-old-groping-allegation-against-justin-trudeau-is-not-a-metoo-moment The story's pretty long, but I think the relevant bit is that the woman in this case doesn't want to talk. quote:One day in August 2000, Valerie Bourne — at the time the publisher of the Creston Valley Advance, a small community newspaper in British Columbia’s southern interior — received a visit in her office from one of the newsroom’s two reporters. So, where does this go now? Nobody wants to discuss it. The PMO just keeps repeating the "no negative interactions" thing over and over and the woman who was apparently groped doesn't want to talk. How do we get our pound of flesh as voters now? The Toronto Sun has said, in a half-smarmy op-ed, that Trudeau should resign over this because #MeToo standards and all, even though everyone knows that's not actually going to happen, but the National Post story has three loving reporters on it. They talked to everyone who might have been tangentially connected with this event. Social media is all upset because Patrick Brown was run out of town on a rail over the words of two unidentified women in a CTV piece and yet, not even the CPC appears to want to touch this. You'd think Scheer would have a field day with Trudeau's feminist hypocrisy, but all he wants to talk about is loving up Fraser Institute math and misreading NCC documents about swing sets. We paid for blood! 
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Leofish posted:The National Post got pretty deep into the weeds of this Justin Trudeau groping a reporter 18 years ago story today. The CPC would end up putting their own members under the microscope if they were to go after this and if Ive learned anything over the last 5 years its that Conservatives have a lot of skeletons they want to keep hidden under the current political climate.
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How do we react to this episode of a woman's autonomy being violated? Oh I know let's do the thing she tells us she doesn't want done.
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flakeloaf posted:How do we react to this episode of a woman's autonomy being violated? Oh I know let's do the thing she tells us she doesn't want done. But don't you see??? It's  The Media protecting their boy Trudeau. If this had been a conservative something something front page for weeks, etc...In all seriousness, I agree with you. Despite what Breitbart and the Sun want to say, I think the real reporters who have worked on this are in agreement that if the actual victim in all of this doesn't want anything to do with it anymore, what more is there to say? This isn't like Patrick Brown, where two women (and according to some reports a third woman who was left out of the story) came forward and put their allegations out there and were willing to talk. I still think the Post's triple-byline deep dive into this provides some insight into the whole affair.
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Patrick Brown was widely disliked within his own party. He earned the ire of the establishment when he swooped in and took the nomination away from their preferred candidate and then he enraged the two most vocal factions of the party's activist base by advocating for a carbon tax and abandoning his opposition to the new sex ed curriculum. He effectively had no base of support within the party and his own core team of people abandoned him within hours of the allegations dropping. Chicken posted:I thought Sam Harris was just an internet atheist with a podcast? I haven't followed him at all since my own internet atheist days like ten years ago. I guess a lot of those guys veered off into Islamophobia and Western supremacy disguised as rationalism so it's not surprising that he would do the same. He brought Charles Murray, an American academic best known for arguing that black people are genetically prone to be less intelligent than white people and that economic differences between the races likely have a basis in inherited racial traits, onto his podcast and then spent two hours heaping praise on Murray and described some of the oldest and most widely propagated racist ideas in history as "forbidden knowledge" that only a daring truth teller would mention. He also dramatically misrepresented the underlying science and tried to present the idea of racial differences in IQ as the scientific consensus while massively distorting the criticism of scientists who called him out on misrepresenting the research in question.
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There was an entire section on Sam Harris' Wikipedia page about how he's a racist. I tried to cite it now, but it was removed by other racists on Wikipedia for not being notable.
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If you like Charles Murray’s views on race and intelligence, you’ll love his views on gender and intelligence.
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Evis posted:If you like Charles Murray’s views on race and intelligence, you’ll love his views on gender and intelligence. Not true, I imagine there are a lot of white women who love how he tells it like it is about race and intelligence but don't so much like his crazy, misogynistic views on gender and intelligence. But that's just a wild guess.
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So we aren't supposed to care about the fact the PM might have sexually assaulted someone because the victim doesn't want to talk about it? Its still potentially a serious crime that occurred. I'd want an investigation to determine if a sexual assaulter is the PM. Even if she doesn't want to talk about it, it doesn't mean a horrible thing didn't happen.
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Your concern trolling has been noted and will be answered in the order it was received. * Muzak plays softly in background *
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patonthebach posted:So we aren't supposed to care about the fact the PM might have sexually assaulted someone because the victim doesn't want to talk about it? Its still potentially a serious crime that occurred. I'd want an investigation to determine if a sexual assaulter is the PM. Even if she doesn't want to talk about it, it doesn't mean a horrible thing didn't happen. We should all care but until the woman wants to pursue it there's a bit of a dead end.
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PT6A posted:Your concern trolling has been noted and will be answered in the order it was received. Sorry for actually being concerned if the guy running our country is a sexual predator. Thats kind of a big deal. I dont really care if it was 25 years ago and it was "just groping" . Its a big loving deal.
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Ya see, American political leaders grope women like this: *grabs the air pussy* Candian political leaders grope women like THIS: *honks the air boobs*
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I 100% agree that this shouldn't be pursued if the victim does not want to pursue it, but at the same time Justin Trudeau being a sexual predator totally lines up with my impressions of him
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Is the strain of "feminism" where you tell women how to feel about things that have happened to them, and what to do, related to the strain that tells women what they can and can't wear to protect their own freedom?
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The only solution is to establish a matriarchy
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Testikles posted:The only solution is to establish a matriarchy But we already have a Queen.
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Lobok posted:But we already have a Queen. Sam Bee?
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I'm betting the only reasons the cons aren't pushing this harder is because they have skeletons in their closet especially after the allegations against Brown
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Hey guys maybe it didn't happen? I mean, treating allegations like this seriously is important, but tbh an incident twenty five years ago without even any witnesses or victim coming forward reeks pretty heavily of people with an agenda combing for skeletons From what I remember, no one with a name came forward for Patrick Brown, so I also wouldn't have expected him to stand down, although undoubtedly not a good dude according to rumors. His party turned on him awful quick though...
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The Conservatives have to decide, is he a Trudope or a Trudiddler?
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ante posted:Hey guys maybe it didn't happen? Assume it did happen, then what? What if the woman is just happier with Trudeau in power than Scheer?
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Recently read about Steven Galloway at UBC (long read, but I thought it laid out all the pertinent points) and how he got railroaded. An important enough allegation to just destroy his career, but the initial crime was never found to have been committed or as far as I can tell investigated by police. quote:Madam Justice Boyd officially delivered her final report to Dean Gage Averill. Boyd found that all of the sexual assault allegations in 2011 against Galloway were not proven, based on a balance-of-probabilities standard (lower than the criminal beyond a reasonable doubt standard); and that “for the next two years, from the Spring of 2011 until the Spring of 2013, the parties were involved in an extramarital affair, in which there is no allegation of harassment or assault.” Admittedly bone headed move with his relationships with students since its an unbalanced teacher-student relationship, which was why he was terminated. I strongly believe that you should always tell the police about possible crimes and not just go onto social media to destroy a person before due process. Patrick brown or Justin Trudeau, all crimes should be a legal police/court matter not a mob pushing for "justice". Otherwise we have horridly slid down a path of anarchy where a mob decides the rules and punishment for people and the Rule of Law is dead. quote:In a November, 2016 exchange, famed Canadian novelist Margaret Atwood—who has stood by her original call for UBC to respect Galloway’s right to due process—tweeted that “no one can be asked to believe or not believe a package of unknown things.”
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infernal machines posted:As a life long pedestrian in a big city I can assure you that yes, everyone is out to kill you. Also, I see at least as many motorists flagrantly ignoring the law (with no consequences) as cyclists. I don't know what it takes to get TPS to ticket you in a car, but it's a high loving bar, that's for sure. I once saw TPS stop a guy downtown because he had moved into an intersection to turn left and failed to do so after it turned red. I think that's about it. I've seen as many incidents of plainclothes cops taking down a guy in broad daylight. There's also the nice feature that police basically anywhere won't pursue any incidents involving cyclists or pedestrians because  .
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Chillyrabbit posted:I strongly believe that you should always tell the police about possible crimes and not just go onto social media to destroy a person before due process. Patrick brown or Justin Trudeau, all crimes should be a legal police/court matter not a mob pushing for "justice". Otherwise we have horridly slid down a path of anarchy where a mob decides the rules and punishment for people and the Rule of Law is dead. Can you come up with: • Any reason someone with a legitimate criminal complaint may choose not to tell the police? • Any possible scenario where police are told about a legitimate crime and choose not to investigate? • An example of noncriminal behaviour that should nonetheless result in one's banishment from a particular community? If you can, then your strong belief may be somewhat naive. If you cannot, I suggest you seek out accounts of the above because they are not difficult to find and may prove illuminating.
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patonthebach posted:So we aren't supposed to care about the fact the PM might have sexually assaulted someone because the victim doesn't want to talk about it? Its still potentially a serious crime that occurred. I'd want an investigation to determine if a sexual assaulter is the PM. Even if she doesn't want to talk about it, it doesn't mean a horrible thing didn't happen. People care, it's just that there's not a whole lot to investigate. There's a press clipping from 18 years ago that may or may not have been written by the alledged victim and one personal account of an editor talking to the victim. The victim herself doesn't want to talk, come forward or make a serious complaint and it would be wrong to continue to push her and try to compell a testimony so where else do you go from here. Chillyrabbit posted:Recently read about Steven Galloway at UBC (long read, but I thought it laid out all the pertinent points) and how he got railroaded. An important enough allegation to just destroy his career, but the initial crime was never found to have been committed or as far as I can tell investigated by police. Like the example above due process does nothing for victims of sexual assualt and the "rule of law" is not equipped to handle a majority of sexual harassment and sexual assualt claims. The current movement is response to decades of failure in the justice system to reform or do anything to deal with any of this.
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ante posted:Hey guys maybe it didn't happen? The women who came forward against Patrick Brown were protected by CTV. The network chose not to identify them. Note that Brown isn't suing any of the actual women in the report (and he absolutely knows who they are), he's just suing CTV and the reporters involved in the story. His accusers were internet detective'd out pretty quickly and have had a lot of poo poo thrown at them online since Brown's resignation. As for this Trudeau incident, we don't know a whole lot more than just this 18-year-old clipping from a small town paper, and the person who does know doesn't want to talk about it. Will the Liberal Party investigate the boss the same way Hehr was investigated? Not likely. The PMO just keeps saying Trudeau "doesn't recall any negative interactions" over and over. Should there be some attempt to reconcile this with the public? I think the PMO was happy to let it fester in the Sun and Breitbart world (although the NYT put it in the lede of their G7 story and then never mentioned it again), but moving it into the National Post like this may change a tune. Trudeau has made a big show of being a feminist ally and has said the standards he holds the party to apply to him as well, so I think, at the very least, this should be addressed. It may take a Parliament Hill reporter to actually ask him about it in a scrum though, to see if we can get something more than the carefully worded statement the PMO keeps putting out.
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DariusLikewise posted:People care, it's just that there's not a whole lot to investigate. It's the PM being accused of sexually assaulting someone. I'd say that deserves a proper investigation from police. If we found a press clipping that the PM tries to rob a bank in 2002. But the teller doesn't want to talk about it , would we not still try to find out what really happened? This isn't a story of him stealing a chocolate bar. Its touching someone sexually that's unwanted. It's a big loving deal. He's running the country.
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"Victims of crime have agency, you say? I don't loving think so!" -- a man who's clearly concerned about victims above all else
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PT6A posted:"Victims of crime have agency, you say? I don't loving think so!" -- a man who's clearly concerned about victims above all else Counterpoint: victims don't really have agency in situations where outing themselves by trying to push charges against sleazebags puts them at risk of severe retaliation from very powerful individuals with limited recourse.
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PT6A posted:"Victims of crime have agency, you say? I don't loving think so!" -- a man who's clearly concerned about victims above all else Why do you think they made it so the police have to lay charges of domestic violence when it occurs, regardless of if the victim is willing to testify (or even speak to the police during the initial investigation)?
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Chillyrabbit posted:I strongly believe that you should always tell the police about possible crimes and not just go onto social media to destroy a person before due process. Patrick brown or Justin Trudeau, all crimes should be a legal police/court matter not a mob pushing for "justice". Otherwise we have horridly slid down a path of anarchy where a mob decides the rules and punishment for people and the Rule of Law is dead. Three things that are bullshit ✔ Cops ✔ Due process ✔ Rule of law xtal fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 24, 2018 |
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pokeyman posted:Can you come up with: All those are true, especially the last one (people can be assholes because they are human). I just disagree that sexual assault/harassment crimes have to only be dealt with outside of the legal system. Either we have due process for everyone or you have mob justice which can be as easily perverted as an inept legal system. Example: I hate John because he got a promotion, just gin up a sexual assault case let the mob destroy him (without due process, evidence who needs evidence believe the victim) and waltz right up the ladder. I understand its not likely, but it is a possibility if we just allow and facilitate people to work outside the legal system. The current system may be failing or not working, but if it goes too far in the other direction (eliminate pesky due process and the rules around evidence) its just as bad. I'm skeptical that we need social media blitzes to publish far and wide accusations that are just that, accusations with no evidence backing them up. You can't force anyone to believe everything especially if there is no evidence.
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