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MononcQc posted:As one of the only remote employees at <current workplace>, nobody sends me meeting invites unless they really need me there because they all hate getting on a conference call rather than just in a conference room. I don't know if it's a good thing or not so far. Why don't they all go into a conference room and you can call the room phone and they can put it on speaker? This worked fine for me whenever I had to have remote people at meetings.
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Got the phone screen in 10 minutes, hope this goes well.
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Aug 23, 2017 19:50
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cis autodrag posted:Why don't they all go into a conference room and you can call the room phone and they can put it on speaker? This worked fine for me whenever I had to have remote people at meetings. That's the one thing I never figured out. Any other team in another business uses chat or email or goes to a conference room and are fine just CC'ing other people. These folks (at least in the main office -- satellite offices are fine) really do everything face to face. This is a ~1000 employees company, with maybe 400 developers. I receive nearly no e-mail aside from people telling others that their tires are flat in the parking lot or that a phone has been found on floor 4. They otherwise use Skype for Business for conference calls (every room has giant microsoft surfaces) but most people don't really use them aside as a way to e-mail their whiteboard drawings to each other. So I can call into the meeting rooms, but I have to be aware there is one first. They seem to be mostly improvised, or the schedule is known by tribal knowledge which you can't get if you're not there. I've never really seen that kind of thing before at a tech company. If they ever get in a big lawsuit, there's gonna be nearly nothing but kanban boards to subpoena! That's really made "being the sole remote employee" a lot harder than what it would have been in any other company. I ended up being more focused on their satellite offices because they see the same problems with regards to the mothership, so they're more open to non-face-to-face communication to begin with. MononcQc fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Aug 23, 2017 20:02
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ThePeavstenator posted:Got the phone screen in 10 minutes, hope this goes well. gl friend
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Aug 23, 2017 20:27
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"I'll pass this along to the hiring team, expect to hear from us within a week." The HR guy also asked about pay. I feel like I went a little too hard on the figgies for what's essentially an entry-level position.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:32
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ThePeavstenator posted:The HR guy also asked about pay. I feel like I went a little too hard on the figgies for what's essentially an entry-level position. people with skills want more money, asking for very little money just identifies you as someone without significant skills
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Aug 23, 2017 20:34
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:people with skills want more money, asking for very little money just identifies you as someone without significant skills I mean I'm operating with less than 3 years of experience and that includes my time as an intern. IDK maybe I'm doubting myself too much.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:45
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if they thought you were poo poo they wouldnt have bothered interviewing you. a few k extra per year over what they ideally wanted to pay is nothing compared to the potential loss of a position sitting empty, or having to take up more time with recruitment.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:48
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Thanks Ants posted:if they thought you were poo poo they wouldnt have bothered interviewing you. a few k extra per year over what they ideally wanted to pay is nothing compared to the potential loss of a position sitting empty, or having to take up more time with recruitment. It was a phone screen.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:49
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ThePeavstenator posted:It was a phone screen. Skipping dinner in favor of taking in the rear end on a first date will not get him to marry you. Interviews are the same way. Don't be anyone's bitch.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:51
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thats what i get for reading. if they want you but you went in too high then they can always throw their figure out there. if they shitcan the whole process over it then bullet dodged i guess.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:51
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yeah also "hire, but only if this person is cheap" is not a situation you want to be in to begin with. maybe don't ask for 200% of the median developer-at-your-experience-level salary in that area but push the envelope a bit.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:08
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ThePeavstenator posted:I mean I'm operating with less than 3 years of experience and that includes my time as an intern. IDK maybe I'm doubting myself too much. short story time: My first programming job was with ~ 1 year of experience, but that experience was mostly just loving around optimizing things at my job. All I'd really done was build a CMS in Rails. I was able to get a job paying 63k/year, and they paid to relocate me from california to north carolina. This was around 1 year after I originally posted the terrible programmer thread, so if you want to see how bad I was at programming at the time, go read the OP of the terrible programmer thread. don't shortsell yourself.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:20
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I took the average that recent graduates make from my school/major combo and added like 10% so I'm probably just overreacting.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:41
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New company is pretty good, they are all really smart guys but there's a couple of scary disconnects between sales and development. Was chatting with the CEO about it and he agreed was like "yeah, r&d sometimes don't seem to understand that sales requirements very often drives priorities". He then drove me home.
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Aug 24, 2017 02:26
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qhat posted:New company is pretty good, they are all really smart guys but there's a couple of scary disconnects between sales and development. Was chatting with the CEO about it and he agreed was like "yeah, r&d sometimes don't seem to understand that sales requirements very often drives priorities". He then drove me home. the sun also rises in the east
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Aug 24, 2017 02:28
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hobbesmaster posted:the sun also rises in the east Well to a large extent it's true, but I think the problem is sales have legitimate requests from customers that will actually drive sales, but that development are unable to deliver because of low resources. Like I don't know all the facts, but definitely there's a bit of overpromising somewhere along the line.
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qhat posted:New company is pretty good, they are all really smart guys but there's a couple of scary disconnects between sales and development. Was chatting with the CEO about it and he agreed was like "yeah, r&d sometimes don't seem to understand that sales requirements very often drives priorities". He then drove me home. Did he get fresh with you? 
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Aug 24, 2017 02:53
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qhat posted:but definitely there's a bit of overpromising somewhere along the line. grats on finding a place that only overpromises 'a bit'
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Aug 24, 2017 03:09
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Schadenboner posted:Did he get fresh with you? No he really likes me.
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Aug 24, 2017 03:20
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qhat posted:No he really likes me. Some CEOs will say anything to get in your pants. If he really did like you he'd respect your decision.
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Aug 24, 2017 03:23
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qhat posted:Well to a large extent it's true, but I think the problem is sales have legitimate requests from customers that will actually drive sales, but that development are unable to deliver because of low resources. Like I don't know all the facts, but definitely there's a bit of overpromising somewhere along the line. this is why product management exists
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Aug 24, 2017 03:25
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hobbesmaster posted:this is why product management exists as far as i can tell our product management exists so our engineers can say "this needs to be prioritized by product" on bug tickets where it's not at all clear who the product manager for something is (they appear to change every 3 months if they even exist at all)
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Aug 24, 2017 03:41
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product management exists to go to meetings with executives and tell them what you're up to so you don't have to. the downside is that the execs will usually ask the pm to pile on more poo poo, and since the pm isn't the one building it, they just say "ok sure"
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Aug 24, 2017 03:44
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JewKiller 3000 posted:product management exists to go to meetings with executives and tell them what you're up to so you don't have to. the downside is that the execs will usually ask the pm to pile on more poo poo, and since the pm isn't the one building it, they just say "ok sure" ding ding ding
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Day 4/30 of unemployment sabbatical was spent riding bikes around nashville and drinking beers with trump supporters at honky tonk low point of the day was hearing a dozen phantom google hangout noises like I was back at work and getting a rush of anxiety thanks for reading
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Aug 24, 2017 03:46
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im a product manager 
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fivehead posted:Day 4/30 of unemployment sabbatical was spent riding bikes around nashville and drinking beers with trump supporters at honky tonk I've definitely done this. My advice for traveling in the south: avoid the Trump topic for as long as poss.
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Aug 24, 2017 05:13
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qhat posted:I've definitely done this. My advice for traveling in the south: avoid the Trump topic for as long as poss. imo do you civic duty and let trump supporters know that they are wrong it's easy!
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Aug 24, 2017 05:39
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:imo do you civic duty and let trump supporters know that they are wrong Or just enjoy getting shitfaced with people who are usually cool apart from the fact they support a proper oval office for president.
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Aug 24, 2017 05:58
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fart simpson posted:im a product manager i bet you manage some product iykwim
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Aug 24, 2017 06:33
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Interviewing a guy I really want at 9 today!
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Aug 24, 2017 11:03
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i hope his .net is needs suiting
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Aug 24, 2017 11:59
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waiting to hear back is the worst. will I be moving in a fortnight? who knows! I'll just  my email for about a week.
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leper khan posted:waiting to hear back is the worst. will I be moving in a fortnight? who knows! loving agreed
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redleader posted:i hope his .net is needs suiting He doesn't suck! He's only slightly socially awkward and is younger than 50! I offered 1.5x the figgies my boss wanted to spend to him and he accepted. The boss' wasn't happy about the figgies but gently caress them, they need to learn how much good engineering costs.
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Aug 24, 2017 17:12
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sorry you have to provide hazard pay for people to work on .net
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Aug 24, 2017 17:14
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Sapozhnik posted:sorry you have to provide hazard pay for people to work on .net He's a real programmer. C++ and C. He won't be touching .net.
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ratbert90 posted:He doesn't suck! He's only slightly socially awkward and is younger than 50! I offered 1.5x the figgies my boss wanted to spend to him and he accepted. The boss' wasn't happy about the figgies but gently caress them, they need to learn how much good engineering costs. Does your boss not understand the market rates?
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qhat posted:Does your boss not understand the market rates? you can be unhappy about the cost of something and accept that that's the price at the same time
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