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Helmacron posted:I'm back. Been drinking heavily for weeks. Hellacious beard. I hit a kangaroo so hard with my car it landed on the hood, blinked three times, closed it's eyes, and died. I can't hear out of my left ear because I ate a wheel of blue cheese. My fridge is full of Vodka and Guarana mixer cans. Also I quit my job, I'm leaving in February for THE WORLD. I'm going to hit Jakarta, through Indonesia/Singapore/Malaysia/Thailand, I'll see if I can get through Burma without getting pulled up and shot to death in a battered hiace van 30km from Hsipaw/India/Nepal/Tibet/China/Mongolia/Russia and then motherfuckin' down to Cape Town. I worked in this mine for a year without doing anything remotely fun and ended up with such a ridiculous amount of money, I gently rub my bank statements on my unemployed friend's cheap possessions. The dos equis man has nothing on Helmacron. That sounds like an awesome trip. If you do a travel log book in the same style as your posts I will buy it no questions asked.
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Helmacron posted:I'm back. Been drinking heavily for weeks. Hellacious beard. I hit a kangaroo so hard with my car it landed on the hood, blinked three times, closed it's eyes, and died. I can't hear out of my left ear because I ate a wheel of blue cheese. My fridge is full of Vodka and Guarana mixer cans. Also I quit my job, I'm leaving in February for THE WORLD. I'm going to hit Jakarta, through Indonesia/Singapore/Malaysia/Thailand, I'll see if I can get through Burma without getting pulled up and shot to death in a battered hiace van 30km from Hsipaw/India/Nepal/Tibet/China/Mongolia/Russia and then motherfuckin' down to Cape Town. I worked in this mine for a year without doing anything remotely fun and ended up with such a ridiculous amount of money, I gently rub my bank statements on my unemployed friend's cheap possessions. I am going to study you, so that I may become you.
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Dec 20, 2011 18:33
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You should have that camera cast in bronze.
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Dec 20, 2011 19:22
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This is basically the only subforum I check on SA these days, but I was bored and took a gander at the Creative Convention today. I saw a stickied thread there that made me slightly ashamed of my need for a new lens, and I thought maybe I'm not the only one who missed this charity drive for a school in Haiti. Donate to some poor kids! Looks like the 85 1.8 will have to wait a few weeks.
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Dec 20, 2011 20:30
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Anyone familiar with photography classes around Chicago? I went to school here for graphic design (Illinois Institute of Art) and my office keeps telling the designers to pursue further education in things that would be beneficial to our careers on the house. Being the only person on staff that knows their way around a camera has deemed me the resident photographer but I would like to refine my skills a bit if at all possible. I was trying to look into something along the lines of studio photography and portraiture since thats what we end up shooting the most.
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Dec 20, 2011 21:05
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Unless you need a piece of paper stating that you took a course, I could help you out sometime if you'd like... feel free to PM for contact info.
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Dec 21, 2011 16:00
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I use Fast Stone Max View to review photos on PC, is there anything similar on Android? The closest I can find is Large image Viewer.
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Dec 21, 2011 19:13
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CarrotFlowers posted:This is basically the only subforum I check on SA these days, but I was bored and took a gander at the Creative Convention today. I saw a stickied thread there that made me slightly ashamed of my need for a new lens, and I thought maybe I'm not the only one who missed this charity drive for a school in Haiti. Done. Thanks for the link.
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Dec 22, 2011 00:39
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Helmacron posted:I'm back. Been drinking heavily for weeks. Hellacious beard. I hit a kangaroo so hard with my car it landed on the hood, blinked three times, closed it's eyes, and died. I can't hear out of my left ear because I ate a wheel of blue cheese. My fridge is full of Vodka and Guarana mixer cans. Also I quit my job, I'm leaving in February for THE WORLD. I'm going to hit Jakarta, through Indonesia/Singapore/Malaysia/Thailand, I'll see if I can get through Burma without getting pulled up and shot to death in a battered hiace van 30km from Hsipaw/India/Nepal/Tibet/China/Mongolia/Russia and then motherfuckin' down to Cape Town. I worked in this mine for a year without doing anything remotely fun and ended up with such a ridiculous amount of money, I gently rub my bank statements on my unemployed friend's cheap possessions. Far out, you're lucky that roo didn't come through the windscreen, you could've suffered some pretty severe injures/died. ie. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410876/Driver-fatal-collision-kangaroo.html
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Dec 22, 2011 12:48
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I love a well made time lapse and this one has some great moments. It is from a guy in New York. http://gizmodo.com/5870278/this-wonderful-time-lapse-walk-captures-new-yorks-holiday-feeling-perfectly
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Dec 22, 2011 15:13
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Verman posted:Anyone familiar with photography classes around Chicago? I had a better experience taking courses at Grand Rapids Community College than I did once I transferred to Columbia Chicago. Honestly your best bet is to spend the tuition money on equipment and learn as you go. Find photographers who exhibit the level of experience you're looking for and offer to help out and learn from watching them work. In the four years I've been working professionally nobody has cared about my education.
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Dec 22, 2011 16:11
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woot fatigue posted:I had a better experience taking courses at Grand Rapids Community College than I did once I transferred to Columbia Chicago. Honestly your best bet is to spend the tuition money on equipment and learn as you go. Find photographers who exhibit the level of experience you're looking for and offer to help out and learn from watching them work. In the four years I've been working professionally nobody has cared about my education. You're from Grand Rapids Michigan? I'm originally from Muskegon. Small world. Anyway, my agency is paying for all of this as an incentive to learn more skills so nothing would be coming out of my pocket not to mention I would be allowed to leave during the day to attend these courses. I'm not really looking to get a professional degree in photography or anything but I mainly just want to learn more about lighting styles and get a little time with models in a studio on my employers dime. I saw that Calumet holds a 2 day lighting course every so often, the only thing that sucks is that its 9-5 Saturday and Sunday.
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Dec 22, 2011 16:41
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FWIW, Elizabeth Weinberg (a photog I follow) on pursuing a professional career in photography:quote:iamawakenow asked:
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Dec 22, 2011 18:49
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I hope she's kidding about the credit card thing because you'd probably be way, way better off going to the bank for a line of credit at prime plus whatever versus 18%+ for a credit card.
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Dec 22, 2011 19:02
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I don't really have anything to say about her advice directly, but I find it hard to take professional advice from someone who so liberally uses swear words in an advice paper. And I say gently caress like 10 times a day. It is nice to hear that she's got a somewhat different perspective on how to make it in photography...with the no assisting and stuff like that. You don't hear too much about that.
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Dec 22, 2011 19:25
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Having walked around with point and shoots, DSLRs, film SLRs, and a TLR while taking pictures in public, I've found that the more eccentric your camera looks, the nicer people are to you (with my new TLR, a little old lady smiled and told me "ooh, I hope you're getting some good pictures!"  ) By extension, if I walked around with a view camera mounted to a steadicam rig, I would be the most popular and well liked person in the world.
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Dec 22, 2011 19:30
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CarrotFlowers posted:I don't really have anything to say about her advice directly, but I find it hard to take professional advice from someone who so liberally uses swear words in an advice paper. And I say gently caress like 10 times a day. I don't like her because she hasn't followed me back on Tumblr. Some of her advice is good, but the credit card thing is bad. I can't see how anyone would need 5 figures worth of equipment when I did fine getting started with a Rebel XTi, 17-40L, a $200 tripod and a four-year-old 12" PowerBook G4. Just borrow things when you need them or if it's for a client make them pay for rental.
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Dec 22, 2011 19:33
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HPL posted:I hope she's kidding about the credit card thing because you'd probably be way, way better off going to the bank for a line of credit at prime plus whatever versus 18%+ for a credit card. As soon as I read that, I just switched off reading the rest.
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CarrotFlowers posted:I don't really have anything to say about her advice directly, but I find it hard to take professional advice from someone who so liberally uses swear words in an advice paper. And I say gently caress like 10 times a day. I don't know what it says about my swear word usage when I didn't notice any swear words and had to go back and be like, oh yeah, I guess it does use a ton. I thought it was all very valid advice, and while taking it all out on credit cards might not be the best idea, the idea that you do need to invest is sound. The public persona part is important too, I have a "friend" who's a "pro photographer" (is technically a photographer full time but is constantly broke and doesn't have too many jobs, so more like jobless) who is constantly griping about, on public social media, including his professional accounts, about how a)photography isn't going good b)no girl wants to get with him and all girls are vapid whores c)drunk updates rambling how much his life sucks. I'll tell you what, if I was a possible customer and looked up his profiles to see how he is to work with, the moment I saw that poo poo I'd run away.
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woot fatigue posted:I don't like her because she hasn't followed me back on Tumblr. Yeah, putting yourself in credit card debt for something you hope will pay off is not a good idea. Reminds me of one guy I read on another forum who bought a 5d2 as his starter dslr...go gently caress yourself richie pants. /jealousy Also everytime I start feeling like my gear is the limiting factor of my work, I remember what you started with, and what a lot of people here use, and it makes me work that much harder because I know it's me, not my equipment. Her work is nice though. edit: nonanone posted:I don't know what it says about my swear word usage when I didn't notice any swear words and had to go back and be like, oh yeah, I guess it does use a ton. I think being professional on any public social networking site is super important, no matter what industry your in. It probably has more of an impact when you have to look for your own clients, but in any job I would be super embarrassed if my colleagues/boss/clients saw me griping about how I didn't get laid on the weekend, or how drunk I was or something. I suppose that may not be something most photographers think about, but I agree it's very important. Now that I think about it, I better comb the internet for any lost and forgotten blogs or sites I may have started as a stupid young person. CarrotFlowers fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Dec 22, 2011 |
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Some of it is good but ultimately you point to five or fifty pro photographers and they'll all have different stories of how they got to where they are. Some assisted, some don't. Some only shoot film, some have never touched it. etc. At least it's just a tumblr post and not an attempt at trying to create a "going pro" industry to profit of people directly. Also the whole "keep up with who is shooting what" is pretty bad advice which she ends up pointing out herself. You shouldn't turn your work into a competition, let it stand on its own merit. The whole don't assist thing is garbage which it looks like has been pointed out to her as she back tracks in the addendum. Assisting is definitely different to photography but it is still hugely valuable. I was thinking about writing a blog post on it. Paragon8 fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Dec 22, 2011 |
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Paragon8 posted:Also the whole "keep up with who is shooting what" is pretty bad advice which she ends up pointing out herself. You shouldn't turn your work into a competition, let it stand on its own merit. Keep up with people's work for inspiration. Jealousy is only natural and it will happen, but if you swallow your pride and get past comparing yourself to others (for the most part anyway), you'll come away learning something from their work more often than not.
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aliencowboy posted:Keep up with people's work for inspiration. Jealousy is only natural and it will happen, but if you swallow your pride and get past comparing yourself to others (for the most part anyway), you'll come away learning something from their work more often than not. You can get inspired from sources other than photography. If you're using other photographers as your main inspiration your work will become imprinted with THEIR style not yours. Which is becoming all too common and you end up with a bunch of people that look like copy cats because they think they have to adhere to what their more esteemed peers are doing. Flickr really shows this quite visibly with how similar many photographers are because that's what they think the market wants (and more often than not it is) - the same thing happens on a professional level. You end up seeing the same editorial work being produced by like 8 different photographers because of one magazine editorial. Paragon8 fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Dec 22, 2011 |
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aliencowboy posted:Keep up with people's work for inspiration. Jealousy is only natural and it will happen, but if you swallow your pride and get past comparing yourself to others (for the most part anyway), you'll come away learning something from their work more often than not. Not to mention, networking. Living in NYC, there's a ton of social media savvy photographers who have shows and openings all the friggin time. Going to those shows and openings and knowing who is doing what is a good way to get your own shows and openings and jobs and whatnot. Like any other industry, a lot of getting ahead is who you know.
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Awkward Davies posted:Not to mention, networking. Living in NYC, there's a ton of social media savvy photographers who have shows and openings all the friggin time. Going to those shows and openings and knowing who is doing what is a good way to get your own shows and openings and jobs and whatnot. Like any other industry, a lot of getting ahead is who you know. Yeah, that's definitely a good thing to do. I wouldn't be where I am now if I didn't have incredibly supportive peers and good connections. I just try not to look too hard at their work, haha.
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Paragon8 posted:You can get inspired from sources other than photography. If you're using other photographers as your main inspiration your work will become imprinted with THEIR style not yours. Which is becoming all too common and you end up with a bunch of people that look like copy cats because they think they have to adhere to what their more esteemed peers are doing. I agree and it is something you need to approach with caution, but I wasn't trying to imply that inspired work need be derivative.
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I'm in the process of pissing off a whole bunch of people (i.e., superiors) at work in order to protect the copyright on my photos. Is this a good idea?
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William T. Hornaday posted:I'm in the process of pissing off a whole bunch of people (i.e., superiors) at work in order to protect the copyright on my photos. Is this a good idea? Yes. Unavoidable.
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Yes, it's unavoidable and perfectly within your rights. Your employers can tell you to stop taking pictures at work, they can tell you to do it outside of normal hours, but they can't tell you anybody other than you owns those pictures.
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I agree with the previous two gentlemen. That's the right course of action. If you let it slide then they'll continue to disrespect your rights and who knows where it'll end up. Better to put an end to it ASAP.
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Exactly the answers I was hoping for. Like the angel on my shoulder. Thanks, Dorkroom.
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William T. Hornaday posted:Exactly the answers I was hoping for. Read the fine print on the paper you signed when you got hired. They might have a clause in there stating that anything you create whether at work or not belongs to them (especially if it is related to whatever you were hired to do). It'd probably never hold up in court, but their hope is no one will ever bother to pony up the legal fees to contest it. It could also put you on the shitlist, piss off the wrong manager and they will put you under a microscope looking for any reason to terminate. Or assign you to the shittiest job at the company. Just general advice, I don't know your workplace so results may vary. But they do have ways of making you miserable that are within the law.
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It mostly comes down to the fact that no one there (except me, apparently) understands photographic copyright, and I come across looking like a neurotic rear end in a top hat when I try to explain it to people and ask that they respect it. Almost every single photo I've taken at work was off the clock, on my lunch, or on my breaks. I'm nice enough to let my immediate coworkers use them for presentations, projects, etc. and occasionally I'll allow them to be used for official company stuff like press releases, graphics, or on the website, on the condition that I provide explicit permission for the specific use and that I'm credited as the photographer. Those requests have apparently rubbed at least one higher-up the wrong way in the past. And just recently a photo of mine was 'authorized' by someone above me to be used in a official company publication and I didn't find out about it until I saw a copy of the finished product in the gift shop. I reiterated my conditions for the use of my photos to the person responsible and it was met with hostility. I'm seriously considering just not ever sharing my photos with anyone at work again because it always seems to erupt into a giant clusterfuck like this, but doing that will undoubtedly also piss people off. And honestly, the thing that bothers me the most about all this is that it's completely taken the enjoyment out of taking photos there.
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If they're using your work in products they're selling, gently caress them. You have a right to compensation for your work, or they can pay someone else to do it instead.
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Paul MaudDib posted:If they're using your work in products they're selling, gently caress them. You have a right to compensation for your work, or they can pay someone else to do it instead. Totally agree. Your photos are stunning on their own. If they are selling it as part of merchandise, then screw them. They are profiting off your photos that you took off the clock and they are entitled to nothing. If worse comes to worst you will find a new job....sucks but not the end of the world.
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So I took a few snapshots at a Christmas party last week, and finally got around to uploading a few so people could see them. The following exchange happened at work the next day. Host of Party: "Hey man, I saw you only put up like 10 pictures or something, didn't you take more?" Me: "Oh, yeah, I did, I took a bunch. I really only got a handful of good shots though, it was really dark in there." HoP: "What... I mean... why don't you just put them all up?" Me: "Well, I just wanted to put up the quality pictures since I try to keep a high standard of work, no matter what it is." HoP: "*exasperated sigh*, just send me everything you took, I'll see what I can salvage." Me: "  Uh, no?"I'm not a guy at a party with a loving Coolpix, I actually want to keep my name associated with quality photographs. How can you be so dumb to think, "*SIGH*, this guy has no idea what he's doing, I guess I'll swoop in and fix all his pictures for him, even though I don't know a camera from a butthole." tl;dr - Dorkroomer gets pissed off, probably overreacts.
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QPZIL posted:So I took a few snapshots at a Christmas party last week, and finally got around to uploading a few so people could see them. The following exchange happened at work the next day. I ran into this exact same problem  If I shoot my friend's hockey games, he asks me why I only put up 10-20 pictures from the whole game. I try to explain why and he says I should just dump them all onto my computer and upload all at once, blurry pictures and all... I already think my hockey pictures aren't that great, there is no way in hell I am going to show every picture I took haha.
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Event photography is more about the coverage than the actual photography. People care more that there are pictures of them rather than good pictures of the event.
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Paragon8 posted:Event photography is more about the coverage than the actual photography. People care more that there are pictures of them rather than good pictures of the event. This is true, but I think the point is, people either hear your shutter firing throughout the night, or they say you taking pictures of the event, and they think there should be 100+ pictures. The biggest truth is, if you get 1 good picture of someone from that event, they won't worry about where the other pictures are :P
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