|
I just spent the last week comparing Z97 v X99 v Z170. Haswell-E isn't always the best. A friend of mine who's heavy into Lightroom wanted something faster than his i7-3770k, so I got him the i7-6700k. We discussed it and figured out that the 4.0 base and 4.2 turbo is better - once he has batch jobs running he doesn't mind walking away as typically his work is over at that point. The extra 1-2 core clock speed, which Lightroom tends to gobble, was worth it, and the ability to go 64GB of RAM (while not as good as X99) is still better than a Devil's Canyon. I'm more or less in the same boat, so I'm sticking with my 4690k overclocked to 4.4 for the foreseeable future. Unless you need those extra 2 cores/4 threads for something, think hard about what you really need!
|
#
?
Aug 21, 2015 15:05
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 05:29 |
|
|
Don Lapre posted:I thought the 3.3ghz 5820k can hit 4.5+ghz. that doesn't seem piss poor to me. But the idea was to allocate two cores to a virtual fileserver. Since I have a physical one, I don't think I need six cores. That is, until someone proves that there's considerable advantages with DX12. NVidia cards delivered rather lackluster results in current benchmarks, so probably not.
|
|
#
?
Aug 21, 2015 16:33
|
|
|
Don Lapre posted:I thought the 3.3ghz 5820k can hit 4.5+ghz. that doesn't seem piss poor to me.
|
|
#
?
Aug 21, 2015 16:35
|
|
|
LiquidRain posted:so I got him the i7-6700k. How did you get him a 6700k, you son of a bitch?
|
|
#
?
Aug 22, 2015 00:00
|
|
|
Apparently they're available some places in Europe/Asia, and there are import stores that will happily sell them to you. For a fee, of course.
|
|
#
?
Aug 22, 2015 00:20
|
|
|
All the Japanese/Chinese stores I found were just con games, charging $500+ for it but wouldn't ship for a month, like on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B012M8LXQW/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new . You add it to your cart and go through the process before checkout and it goes to "usually ships within 7 to 15 days" and a delivery time of "from 1 to 4 weeks". You also can't buy one on Japan Amazon and have it sent to the US. The European sites like OverclockersUK won't accept outside EU shipping addresses for CPU's for some dumb reason. Update: motherfucker newegg has 6700k in stock, but only for combo purchases. God drat, I think I'm going to end up selling my 6600k unopened in SA Mart for $50 less. Shouldn't be long before they're sold out of combos. Botnit fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Aug 22, 2015 |
|
#
?
Aug 22, 2015 00:31
|
|
|
Anime Schoolgirl posted:The bins must be incredibly inconsistent then since a lot of people have actual trouble getting past 4.0-4.1. Every data point I've seen has put 4.5 as an average chip, 4.6 as a good one and 4.4 as a crappy chip. People not getting past 4.0 are doing something wrong.
|
|
#
?
Aug 22, 2015 01:27
|
|
|
Botnit posted:How did you get him a 6700k, you son of a bitch? They also have the i7-5770C in stock here if that's your fancy, at about 55,000Y.
|
|
#
?
Aug 22, 2015 02:31
|
|
|
LiquidRain posted:Live in Tokyo. Went to Akihabara. 3rd store we tried had it in stock for 50,000Y post-tax. ($400 USD - PC parts come with ridiculous markups here) Guy reached into the stock shelf and grabbed one! That's actually not much of a markup at all. Newegg has them listed for $360, which is about $385 after tax.
|
|
#
?
Aug 22, 2015 03:28
|
|
|
Intel is trying to make a new standard that is a little smaller than ITX but quite a bit larger than NUC. I'm not really sure the point of it as it has no PCIE slot, so you should probably just get a NUC. They are socketed so I guess you can choose just about any processor, but they're going to be limited to 65W and integrated graphics. Other than that it seems like they have a pretty standard set of features that NUC also has. On the plus side, they do have standardized CPU placement, but that's really the only pro I could see. http://www.anandtech.com/show/9556/intel-launches-new-socketed-minipc-motherboards
|
|
#
?
Aug 24, 2015 16:02
|
|
|
VulgarandStupid posted:Intel is trying to make a new standard that is a little smaller than ITX but quite a bit larger than NUC. I'm not really sure the point of it as it has no PCIE slot, so you should probably just get a NUC. They are socketed so I guess you can choose just about any processor, but they're going to be limited to 65W and integrated graphics. Other than that it seems like they have a pretty standard set of features that NUC also has. That will probably replace the Thin Mini-ITX standard and a 65W TDP conveniently lines up perfectly with the Iris Pro Broadwells.
|
|
#
?
Aug 24, 2015 17:56
|
|
|
Krailor posted:That will probably replace the Thin Mini-ITX standard and a 65W TDP conveniently lines up perfectly with the Iris Pro Broadwells. Yeah, considering that it drops some of the nice features from mITX (full sized DIMMs, PCIe), and the only advantage it has over a NUC is the support for a socketed CPU, it seems pretty clearly aimed at the reality that there are people who like the SFF of the NUC but need a bit more oomph than a 15W CPU can provide. Which is literally all this does--gives Intel a way to let people stuff a 65W CPU into a SFF box without having to bother releasing a new lineup of soldered sets.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 00:26
|
|
|
I thought the point of the new form factor was so that you could get console-like performance in a very small volume. Isn't 65W at the most recent generation (or one previous) enough to handle 1080p at low-medium settings, especially with the improvement in integrated graphics over the last decade?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 14:43
|
|
|
Grundulum posted:I thought the point of the new form factor was so that you could get console-like performance in a very small volume. Isn't 65W at the most recent generation (or one previous) enough to handle 1080p at low-medium settings, especially with the improvement in integrated graphics over the last decade?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 17:48
|
|
|
If they keep improving their top end graphics offering I could see them releasing an Iris Pro Kaby Lake part that would give you comparable performance to a 750ti which would soak up the low end graphics market. But that's all going to pale in comparison to the magical Zen APU that AMD puts out with 8gb of HBM2 that will also let you get rid of your system ram so you can just have something the size of a socket and giant heatsink...right...right guys...
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 18:00
|
|
|
Krailor posted:If they keep improving their top end graphics offering I could see them releasing an Iris Pro Kaby Lake part that would give you comparable performance to a 750ti which would soak up the low end graphics market. Future AMD motherboards are just massive heatsinks with some ports on them, since the APU is practically a system on a chip.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 18:13
|
|
Krailor posted:If they keep improving their top end graphics offering I could see them releasing an Iris Pro Kaby Lake part that would give you comparable performance to a 750ti which would soak up the low end graphics market. Reading r/amd and there are people who believe that there is a supar-sekret version of Zen will come with 16GB of HBM2 and have 8 cores and 16 threads running at 5GHz and you can overclock it to 7GHz and it has onboard graphics as fast as Fury X and it's only going to be $250 and Intel will finally get what they deserve! AMD is just keeping it under wraps because reasons!
|
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 18:15
|
|
|
AVeryLargeRadish posted:Reading r/amd and there are people who believe that there is a supar-sekret version of Zen will come with 16GB of HBM2 and have 8 cores and 16 threads running at 5GHz and you can overclock it to 7GHz and it has onboard graphics as fast as Fury X and it's only going to be $250 and Intel will finally get what they deserve! If only.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 18:19
|
|
|
AVeryLargeRadish posted:Reading r/amd and there are people who believe that there is a supar-sekret version of Zen will come with 16GB of HBM2 and have 8 cores and 16 threads running at 5GHz and you can overclock it to 7GHz and it has onboard graphics as fast as Fury X and it's only going to be $250 and Intel will finally get what they deserve! Now we know where all the kids in elementary school who had uncles that worked for Nintendo went.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 19:01
|
|
|
canyoneer posted:Now we know where all the kids in elementary school who had uncles that worked for Nintendo went. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/fabled-sony-nintendo-play-station-prototype-discovered/ 
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 19:03
|
|
|
It's a combination of that an DX12/Vulcan that is the secret sauce
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 19:06
|
|
|
Hey, a person can dream can't they... While in reality I'll just wait for the day that AMD goes bankrupt and on that day buy whatever the top-of-the-line i7 and Geforce card is and ride those off into the sunset for the next 20 years.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 19:50
|
|
|
Krailor posted:Hey, a person can dream can't they... While AMD is not doing great these days, ARM based CPUs have been nipping at Intel's heels for awhile, so hopefully if AMD goes under, someone will be able to keep Intel from raising their prices too high.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 20:41
|
|
|
Skandranon posted:While AMD is not doing great these days, ARM based CPUs have been nipping at Intel's heels for awhile, so hopefully if AMD goes under, someone will be able to keep Intel from raising their prices too high. Too bad that someone is China.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 22:24
|
|
|
Skandranon posted:ARM based CPUs have been nipping at Intel's heels for awhile Also, next year is the year of Linux on the desktop!
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 22:38
|
|
|
*Android
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 22:56
|
|
|
Gwaihir posted:Also, next year is the year of Linux on the desktop! ARM is selling and there's real-world use cases but the Linux Desktop just hadn't has much of either.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2015 23:12
|
|
|
AVeryLargeRadish posted:Reading r/amd and there are people who believe that there is a supar-sekret version of Zen will come with 16GB of HBM2 and have 8 cores and 16 threads running at 5GHz and you can overclock it to 7GHz and it has onboard graphics as fast as Fury X and it's only going to be $250 and Intel will finally get what they deserve! History tells us the the bigger the AMD gamble, the more it will fall face first into the dirt.
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 01:56
|
|
|
Gwaihir posted:Also, next year is the year of Linux on the desktop! Hey, I said hopefully someone steps up with an ARM design to keep Intel honest, not that ARM is currently competition for Intel in the desktop market.
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 02:03
|
|
|
Palladium posted:History tells us the the bigger the AMD gamble, the more it will fall face first into the dirt.
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 02:25
|
|
|
An ARM design that could seriously compete would need to be able to run x86-64 code at an acceptable speed. That's the barrier they'd have to hit to keep Intel "honest".
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 02:25
|
|
|
Gwaihir posted:Also, next year is the year of Linux on the desktop!
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 03:21
|
|
|
Rastor posted:Chromebooks are rapidly becoming the standard school computer. Mostly not the ARM models, however. They really aren't, in any form. They're several orders of magnitude away from that.
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 03:31
|
|
|
Rastor posted:
Fixed for accuracy and more relevance to ARM.
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 06:15
|
|
|
Nintendo Kid posted:They really aren't, in any form. They're several orders of magnitude away from that. I'll have you know that my school district and place of employment both use Chromebooks for training purposes! Collaboration! Security! Utility!
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 14:07
|
|
|
Nintendo Kid posted:An ARM design that could seriously compete would need to be able to run x86-64 code at an acceptable speed. That's the barrier they'd have to hit to keep Intel "honest". This is true, but that's also assuming that the software momentum of current PCs will outweigh the software momentum of Android/iOS. ARM is already starting to eat into the laptop market (slowly), but PCs are kind of the last bastion where it's x86 or GTFO. ARM designs are making an end-run around it and going straight for server market where that momentum is less of an issue (and the market is actually not shrinking like PCs).
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 14:51
|
|
|
Nintendo Kid posted:An ARM design that could seriously compete would need to be able to run x86-64 code at an acceptable speed. That's the barrier they'd have to hit to keep Intel "honest". It doesn't even need to compete to keep Intel honest, just threaten competition. It's not like AMD is seriously competing with Intel right now, but things would be a lot worse without them around.
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 14:54
|
|
|
Durinia posted:ARM designs are making an end-run around it and going straight for server market where that momentum is less of an issue (and the market is actually not shrinking like PCs). In theory, anyway. Actual ARM servers seem to be slow in coming out - there's HP's Moonshot thingy and that's about it that's actually commercially shipping, I think. I'm kind of suspicious manufacturers are more interested in using the threat of ARM in the datacentre to negotiate with Intel than in actually taking the risk of building and selling it.
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 15:46
|
|
|
feedmegin posted:In theory, anyway. Actual ARM servers seem to be slow in coming out - there's HP's Moonshot thingy and that's about it that's actually commercially shipping, I think. I'm kind of suspicious manufacturers are more interested in using the threat of ARM in the datacentre to negotiate with Intel than in actually taking the risk of building and selling it. HP's moonshot exists and is awesome, if you were very silly you can even buy AMD APU modules for it  e: Just to be clear, the Moonshot is a chassis and it supports all kinds of specialized modules- There's the Applied Micro ARM based X-Gene, single to quad Atom C2750 modules, a quad core AMD APU, or Xeon-L low voltage chips. Gwaihir fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Aug 26, 2015 |
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 16:10
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 05:29 |
|
|
Gwaihir posted:HP's moonshot exists and is awesome, if you were very silly you can even buy AMD APU modules for it The m700 is actually quite speedy for virtual office needs. 64GB of storage, four APUs with integrated graphics. If only Citrix wasn't created from the pits of Hell...
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2015 16:18
|
|