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Axe-man posted:As for her book the story seems like extremely queerbating or would it be queerplotive? It's a queertastrophe.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:As a trans woman can I make one request to all webcomic authors. If you wanna write a story about being queer or trans please just write that story. Please stop equating, however well meaning you are, who I am and how I struggle with literal monsters. Even if you're queer yourself just please stop. I'm looking at you Monsterkind. And Monster Pop! gently caress why are there so many of these and they're all the whitest most toothless stories. I blame the X-Men for convincing several generations of nerds that this is okay
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The Lord of Hats posted:
Downsized it actually gives a fair sense of scale, if the city was supposed to stand on a small planetoid.
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Nuns with Guns posted:I blame the X-Men for convincing several generations of nerds that this is okay Like X-men at least has the excuse that it started in a day and age where if you talked about the struggle queer or racial minorities have you wouldn't have been allowed to publish anything ever again. It just moved forward in time without ever really refining or focusing on its message at all. These authors, especially since many of them are LGBT have no excuse to be so loving dumb about their own metaphors.
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Sep 27, 2017 20:49
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And this cannot be forgotten- the X-Men did NOT start as a metaphor for anything. The whole idea of Mutants started because Stan Lee was lazy, and then it shifted into racial tension stuff due to the 70s and then it became LGBT stuff. Literally the reason why they're mutants is because Stan Lee didn't want to think of reasons for people to have super powers anymore.
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i kinda figured it had less to do with X-men lore and more to do with the same sexually repressed mormon teen phenomenon that gave us the entire genre of angsty vampire porn
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Burkion posted:And this cannot be forgotten- the X-Men did NOT start as a metaphor for anything. The X-Men do have some really lovely moments where the comics, and lazy writers, relate the mutant struggle to various civil rights struggles but it also has a bunch of moments where people who bring that poo poo up in-fiction are shut down because obviously gay and black people can't naturally shoot laser beams from their eyes. Or even moments where mutant characters try to bring up that "Hey, I'm oppressed too so I know just what it's like so I'm allowed to say slurs too!" and get told they're being an idiot. It all comes down to who was writing at the time, and unfortunately a lot of the writers tend to be kind of dumb and bad. There are also a few really interesting queer sub-textual things throughout the series well before the CCA was abolished such as the rather well known Kitty Pryde/Illyana Rasputin relationship.
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Sep 28, 2017 01:48
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https://twitter.com/MollyOstertag/status/912427998334271488 Well there's your answer, if you were curious.
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Daphnaie posted:https://twitter.com/MollyOstertag/status/912427998334271488  aimed at eight year olds?Also based on a quick glance at her twitter feed, she's best friends with her publisher or whatever and got a bunch of free poo poo because of her connections. I sure wish I could get my mediocre products passed around on the fast lane because I knew some people.
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Sep 28, 2017 02:34
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Which publisher? IIRC there was a scam going around, maybe connected to that Least I Could Do guy, where someone claimed to be a publisher but was really just using some self printing service, and trying to get comic authors to sign over their IP rights.
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Nuebot posted:
Can you actually source the latter half of that claim or are you just going to spout poo poo and hope everyone here believes you? There's a difference between not liking her work and claiming she "got a bunch of free poo poo because of her connections". I ask because I went through her Twitter to get that quote and didn't see any evidence of that. Being friends with your editor (especially if she became friends with them after the fact) isn't a crime? Also, the fact it's for eight-year-olds is probably why the gender non-conformity is couched in metaphor. Less likely for angry parents to get your booked banned fron schools that way unfortunately. Melusine fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Daphnaie posted:Can you actually source the latter half of that claim or are you just going to spout poo poo and hope everyone here believes you? There's a difference between not liking her work and claiming she "got a bunch of free poo poo because of her connections". I literally just scanned the tweets where she said she was talking about how awesome it was to get free poo poo for being friends with someone(who you could hire!) in the industry. I won't poo poo talk her from now on unless I can factually cite her though hth.
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Sep 28, 2017 04:48
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You should have posted the tweet in the first place regardless so that we could have laughed at it. But no, you had to be selfish and keep the lols to yourself. Shameful.
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Sep 28, 2017 05:28
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It was fun to mock the artist for making a reductive statement about how good art is a distraction but I think we're getting a little obsessive.
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Sep 28, 2017 05:52
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yeah i think she's a legitimately talented artist and tbh i wish her all the best. my problems with sfp are 100% on the writing side - the decline in art quality is sad but understandable, the art was all the comic ever really had going for it in the first place so it was just the universe reaching inevitable equilibrium. also that tweet was pretty stupid but art students say stupid things, it comes with the territory, they generally don't get enough sleep and know they're going to be poor forever no matter how hard they work, so
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Sep 28, 2017 06:25
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I didn't even know it was even possible for someone's art skills to decline, short of old age taking its toll, until this and Penny Arcade started getting bad. I was used to just seeing bad webcomic artists just stagnate for years, their art never improving but mostly staying the same.
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Sep 28, 2017 09:38
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Nuns with Guns posted:I blame the X-Men for convincing several generations of nerds that this is okay The only iteration of the X-Men/gay experience thing that I thought was any good at all was in the very beginning of the Ultimate X-Men line where Colossus is literally gay, gets outed and shunned by his Soviet handlers. It only spanned a few pages but I loved it for its brutal candor, and I don't remember anything like it in Marvel before or since.
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the old ceremony posted:yeah i think she's a legitimately talented artist and tbh i wish her all the best. my problems with sfp are 100% on the writing side - the decline in art quality is sad but understandable, the art was all the comic ever really had going for it in the first place so it was just the universe reaching inevitable equilibrium. also that tweet was pretty stupid but art students say stupid things, it comes with the territory, they generally don't get enough sleep and know they're going to be poor forever no matter how hard they work, so It was that tweet and the fact that she didn't realize she was illustrating a metaphoric rape scene
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the old ceremony posted:yeah i think she's a legitimately talented artist and tbh i wish her all the best. my problems with sfp are 100% on the writing side - the decline in art quality is sad but understandable, the art was all the comic ever really had going for it in the first place so it was just the universe reaching inevitable equilibrium. also that tweet was pretty stupid but art students say stupid things, it comes with the territory, they generally don't get enough sleep and know they're going to be poor forever no matter how hard they work, so Some of the problems with SFP are exacerbated by Ostertag's poor art. For instance, Clevin and Alison's relationship wouldn't be nearly as ridiculous if Ostertag could draw them with an ounce of sexual chemistry. Part of why Clevin doesn't work is that it's impossible to imagine him as a sexual being, and that's on the art as much as it is the writing. I don't think Ostertag is as bad an artist as Mulligan is as a writer, though, and do hope that Ostertag finds success in a project worth her time.
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Honestly I'm kind of hoping that Mulligan has other projects too, I'm an amateur writer myself and I can just feel him losing steam on this project and stagnating as an artist. He's simply not pushing himself anymore and when he does you can feel him wonder if its a bad idea in real time(look at all the goddamn hand-wringing in the Mary arc, or the masturbatory "I'm a good person I care about minorities" idiocy of that support group)
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Sep 28, 2017 17:30
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Clevin doesn't seem like he can do his job, If I were to be honest. He doesn't seem to be anyone. I am kind of a boring sod myself, but I feel like I am more interesting and exciting than the person than the "party organizer"? I don't know what he actually does now that I think about it. Lets check the about page: Clevin O'Toole "Enthusiastic film buff and musician with a sense of fashion you either love or hate. A cheerful guy despite having had his share of run-ins with biodynamic danger." what
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I kind of feel bad for Original Clevin. He seemed like a pretty cool dude when he first showed up, but then he wound up being Patient Zero for The Softness.
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Sep 28, 2017 19:02
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Sep 28, 2017 19:05
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Calaveron posted:His name really is O'toole huh He really is baffling as a character. Poorly conceived and executed in every way.
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Sep 28, 2017 19:19
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I just can't get over the "fashion sense you either love or hate" Like, we know more about his shirt, or his shirt has more important information about it, than himself.
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Sep 28, 2017 19:57
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We know that he has a big dad
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The Lord of Hats posted:
What bothers me is that I didn't realize that there is a giant wall surrounding the dreams cape in SFP. I thought there was some wasteland or something. Even minimized I can't unseen the lack of distinction between a vertical and horizontal surface. K6BD has some jarring color combinations. But at least I can distinguish the vanishing point. A walled off structure will have a different look than an endless labyrinth, but this is bad.
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Calaveron posted:His name really is O'toole huh
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anyway i have no problem with criticising the art, just i know what can happen when goons start obsessively hating on something and i don't really think ostertag deserves to be the brunt of that because the actual core of the comic's badness is all mulligan's fault. just try not to get personal about it i guess. she's not a dobson.
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I just want to say that Goodbye to Halos is a terrible webcomic that is not even nice to look at. It's painful to look at, in fact. If you like it, you probably have some webcomic-induced brain malfunction, like some sort of a reverse troll-mirror.
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Paladinus posted:I just want to say that Goodbye to Halos is a terrible webcomic that is not even nice to look at. It's painful to look at, in fact. If you like it, you probably have some webcomic-induced brain malfunction, like some sort of a reverse troll-mirror. It was written poorly too.
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Sep 29, 2017 10:27
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Oh I guess Mulligan's been reading the thread and was reminded of Rat Guy.
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Flesh Forge posted:Oh I guess Mulligan's been reading the thread and was reminded of Rat Guy. Are you sure this isn't !Tron or something? Rat guy looked a bit more gangly.
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Sep 29, 2017 15:09
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Not the character, the hole in the wall.
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Welp, I guess we'll get literal rat-man helping Allison save !Tron from the evil queen of Narnia mark my words.
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pospysyl posted:Some of the problems with SFP are exacerbated by Ostertag's poor art. For instance, Clevin and Alison's relationship wouldn't be nearly as ridiculous if Ostertag could draw them with an ounce of sexual chemistry. Part of why Clevin doesn't work is that it's impossible to imagine him as a sexual being, and that's on the art as much as it is the writing. I'm.actually extremely thankful Clevin is not a sexual being.
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I was just about to post my speculation on who !Tron is, but then I realized I really don't care.
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I didn't think about why I didn't have anything to say about the character but yeah that's pretty much what happened with me too.
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I genuinely thought it was just female Patrick and this is like a thought of his he's purging. Then again its not like you can tell characters apart when they have close-ups either.
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