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Helsing posted:Not to say that I totally disagree with you but the glibness of this statement is foolhardy at best. A bizarre appeal to experience/authority of a sort. The result of this could just as easily be contentment at goals accomplished, pleasures experienced, and the belief that ultimately each individual is responsible for their own contentment.
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That's exactly my point though. If you can actually get through the harder parts of your life -- sickness, disappointment, aging, the approach of you own death -- and still embrace the meaninglessness of existence then that's a really impressive feat. If it were as easy as you imply I don't think religion or political extremism would be nearly so prevalent in the world. However if you're 20-something, have a good job and are healthy and you're already extolling how totally cool you are with the meaninglessness of the universe then you just sound young and naive, you don't sound sophisticated or worldly.
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Cultural Imperial posted:While on the subject of charities, if you want to get people donating, stop outsourcing to those loving rear end in a top hat charity muggers. I used to think amnesty intl and msf were good organizations but now they and oxfam, I am a girl and Greenpeace can get hosed into bankruptcy This is such a weird model, but it must work somehow. Why the gently caress would I give my contact information, much less my banking information to a stranger on the street?
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Helsing posted:THC is totally on the money here. Any benefit from corporate charity is more than outweighed by the negative impact that corporations have on our governance. oh god what am i doing with me life
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Helsing posted:That's exactly my point though. If you can actually get through the harder parts of your life -- sickness, disappointment, aging, the approach of you own death -- and still embrace the meaninglessness of existence then that's a really impressive feat. If it were as easy as you imply I don't think religion or political extremism would be nearly so prevalent in the world. what if I just have too much #YOLO #swag
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Helsing posted:Because one day you won't be young anymore. Your body will no longer be this lithe, wonderful machine that attracts the opposite sex, responds swiftly to your commands and delivers the all the pleasures that your nerves can handle. Slowly it will become an ugly, liver spotted prison, full of constant aches and pains. The smoking you enjoy will become an terrible burden that produces hacking coughs. You drinking habit that you think you control might suddenly seize control of you. Meanwhile some of the people you depend on will fail you, others will even betray you. Something you banked on happening will fall through. A person you love will die without warning. Something that once brought you pleasure will now just make you feel empty and sad. Perhaps you will realize, too late, that you let the love of your life or your dream job or the best opportunity you'd ever have slip through your fingers years ago. I haven't had a decent relationship in years, I gave up cigarettes because they made me feel like poo poo and were killing me, a good friend of mine did indeed go batfuck crazy (not mentally ill as far as I can tell, just narcissism combined with alcohol and weed abuse) and betray me (and a whole bunch of mutual friends), and I was born with cerebral palsy so I'm already pretty familiar with my body being varying degrees of a prick towards me and what I want it to do (it also fucks with my self-esteem from time to time). The fact that life is often lovely and arbitrary in a variety of ways doesn't lend it meaning. I could look backward at the mistakes I've made, and choices I wish I'd taken, but that's ultimately a waste of whatever time I have ahead of me.
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Helsing posted:That's exactly my point though. If you can actually get through the harder parts of your life -- sickness, disappointment, aging, the approach of you own death -- and still embrace the meaninglessness of existence then that's a really impressive feat. If it were as easy as you imply I don't think religion or political extremism would be nearly so prevalent in the world. Sure, a lack of adversity might mean someone is never prompted to examine these kinds of questions in any depth, and if I understand you correctly you're saying that if you already feel comfortable with life you're not going to need the comfort that comes with attributing the events of your life to something other than yourself. But what I'm contending is that, adversity and all, accepting that there isn't some great all-encompassing reasoning behind suffering (yours or any others) beyond the reasoning people give it is more of a comfort than thinking something inscrutable or unstoppable is out to get you. edit to add: In my opinion it allows you to move forward; if the source of adversity is mundane then it can be overcome (even with hardship). If it isn't, then what's the point in trying? JawKnee fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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CLAM DOWN posted:PT6A I'll give you a hug Okay. I didn't mean to come off as sad or anything in my last post. My life is still pretty great, I'm just making the point that I have, in fact, faced hardships and unpleasant situations and I still have no particular problem with saying life has no inherent meaning. Would it be fun and comforting to think that every bad thing that's happened to me is either a test or something that's going to lead to a pre-ordained fate? gently caress yeah! But, at the end of the day, we're born by chance and it's our job to create meaning in our lives.
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On the contrary, I've experienced some horrible poo poo and hardships and choose to believe it has meaning in order to gain something out of it, so it's a matter of personal approach for sure.
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CLAM DOWN posted:On the contrary, I've experienced some horrible poo poo and hardships and choose to believe it has meaning in order to gain something out of it, so it's a matter of personal approach for sure. yeah this do whatever you want and believe whatever you want to believe i watch people pray and i think "its cool that they believe this thing that makes their lives more meaningful" and I move on with my own search for meaning in my life.
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I don't think anyone is saying people shouldn't find meaning where they can?
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CanPol Megathread: God is dead, and PT6A killed him Charity has become a rather hosed up thing that allows far too much fraud and cronyism without any need to be accountable in your acts, because what is primarily of focus is that people are doing the thing at all, not whether they are doing it well. Corporate charity events like this worsen the problem by adding an additional layer of inscrutability to the process, all nicely wrapped in the good feelings of "having done something".
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This is a pretty massive case if anyone missed it. Now you can sue for revenge porn in Canada http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...rticle28406273/
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CLAM DOWN posted:On the contrary, I've experienced some horrible poo poo and hardships and choose to believe it has meaning in order to gain something out of it, so it's a matter of personal approach for sure. I wish I could see it that way. I've had so many hosed up things happen to me and my family, which still pales in comparison to what others have been through, that the idea that any of this has some sort of meaning is rather unsettling because what loving end could justify these means? I take more comfort in meaninglessness at this point.
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Just voted in the Mount Pleasant by-election. Sucks voting when you are not a fan of any of the parties but hopefully an aboriginal woman can get elected!
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In theory it's important for the opposition to have ~Momentum~ going into 2017, at least to people who want the Libs out of office.
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I don't really get nihilism being inherently depressing. I consider it quite liberating. I'd even go so far as to say nihilism, combined with my rejection of free will, ultimately increased my compassion toward my fellow man. Boosted my overall happiness and even time spent volunteering. This is all we have. We're all victims of circumstance, so just try to be good to one another. I'm nearing 30 and I've been through some pretty poo poo periods. I know statistically speaking worse poo poo is likely to come too. That being said nothing thus far has shaken my belief, and said belief has been relatively stable since I gave up being a libertarian shithead almost a decade ago.
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Well this is a shocking revelation Wait, no. It's the opposite of shockingCultural Imperial posted:Oh gently caress burn down this thread now spake zarathustra What's really shocking is I agree with CI
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bunnyofdoom posted:Well this is a shocking revelation Wait, no. It's the opposite of shocking Yes, it's just crazy and inhumane to screen refugees by religious beliefs instead of the much more progressive gender and sexual orientation based screening.
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This thread is the direct result in a lack of policy announcements bod. Take that back to Trudope (hahaha whSt a stupid slang)
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jm20 posted:This thread is the direct result in a lack of policy announcements bod. Take that back to Trudope (hahaha whSt a stupid slang) So, the new guidelines for pipelines McKenna announced today don't count?
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CanPol Megathread: Nihilism is quite liberating #BellLetsTalk
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, the new guidelines for pipelines McKenna announced today don't count? Look around and ask yourself that question with a straight face.
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CANADALAND: Let's Talk About How my Job at Bell Gave Me Mental Health Issues and No Benefits  quote:In 2014, I was hired as a broadcast associate at the specialty television channel Business News Network, also known as BNN. I was officially a freelance employee, paid $15.25 an hour, with no sick days, vacation days, or benefits. As a permalancer, I worked 40 hours per week. Duties included grabbing coffee and water for guests, putting them on set, cutting tape, screening calls, and memorizing hundreds of stock tickers for on-screen charts and graphs. It was an extremely fast-paced, entry-level job and it meant I earned just over $30,000 a year. I thought it would be the start of a great career in multimedia. I was wrong.
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, the new guidelines for pipelines McKenna announced today don't count? Wait, is there something more to it than this that I'm missing? quote:Moving forward, the environment ministry will analyze greenhouse gas emissions that would result from approving pipeline projects. The results from that study would then be presented to cabinet, which will make the final decision on whether to approve a project. That's some hard hitting stuff, definitely going to delay energy eas... quote:The minister said that the TransMountain and Energy East pipelines will not start at the beginning of the regulatory process. Oh whew. The new guidelines will apply to the pipelines that come after we have coast to coast pipelines. #realchange.
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Oh hey, look: Calgary's government is poo poo and Edmonton beat us to dealing with Uber constructively. http://vf.to/3fGXVf2sPSf Reminder: Nenshi is poo poo and our city council could be outwitted by a macaque with mental retardation.
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vyelkin posted:CanPol Megathread: Nihilism is quite liberating #BellLetsTalk This is a Good Thread Title
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http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/university-of-ottawa-hockey-team-members-decry-salacious-allegations-1.2754638 posted:Aeveral members of the University of Ottawa hockey team say a court filing by the school has once again smeared them through "murky and salacious" accusations. The members are suing the university for purportedly damaging their reputations by suspending the entire hockey program in March 2014 after allegations of sexual assault surfaced. Two other team players were later charged with sexually assaulting a female student at Lakehead University during a tournament in Thunder Bay, Ont. Awww won't somebody think of the poor, defenceless hockey players who knew about a rape and didn't step forward. How dare we besmirch their reputation by saying that they were on the same team as literal rapists and the people who covered up their crime, and how totally unfair it is to suspend the whole organization for something only most of them had a hand in. Boo loving hoo.
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PT6A posted:Oh hey, look: Calgary's government is poo poo and Edmonton beat us to dealing with Uber constructively. No mention in the article at all about any rules pertaining to wheelchair accessible cabs. What happens when Uber ignores wheelchair accessible service and bankrupts the traditional cabs that are obligated to provide this service? It'll be interesting to see how negatively service for persons with disabilities are affected. quote:Coun. Michael Oshry wanted to limit surge pricing to four times the regulated rate to avoid gouging during snowstorms, for example, when demand outstrips supply. But councillors decided to wait and see what happens before setting a top limit. Councillor Oshry would rather citizens just not be able to find a cab in a snowstorm I guess.
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Femtosecond posted:Councillor Oshry would rather citizens just not be able to find a cab in a snowstorm I guess. Nobody having one because they've run out is preferable to some people being told to piss off because they're poor.
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flakeloaf posted:Awww won't somebody think of the poor, defenceless hockey players who knew about a rape and didn't step forward. How dare we besmirch their reputation by saying that they were on the same team as literal rapists and the people who covered up their crime, and how totally unfair it is to suspend the whole organization for something only most of them had a hand in. Boo loving hoo. Force them all to move to Spaniard's Bay to live out their days.
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PT6A posted:Oh hey, look: Calgary's government is poo poo and Edmonton beat us to dealing with Uber constructively. This isn't constructive at all, you are still forcing pricing on one part of the industry while the other gets away with a minimum, no mention of wheel chair accessable cabs and no standard for insurance. They are out-regulating taxis in the city.
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DariusLikewise posted:Force them all to move to Spaniard's Bay to live out their days. Or just do nothing because all that happened was that their team was suspended and everyone not personally involved in the incident had forgotten about it before these "victims" went and dredged it back up again.
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flakeloaf posted:Nobody having one because they've run out is preferable to some people being told to piss off because they're poor. When I posted that thought I was thinking that it would probably be ok to have Uber as a premium service because cabs or other services could fill in the lower end of the market, but on further thought this isn't likely going to happen. Cities highly regulate and restrict the amount of cabs, so we probably wouldn't see enough cabs take up slack on the low end of the market. It sounds like the Uber side of things will not have its growth regulated, so this would be super unbalanced. With that in mind I'm going to backtrack my statement. There could be a method of regulation where having premium cabs and discount cabs would work and make sense, but the status quo scenario probably isn't it.
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