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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:you can't really call concept cars production designs Its probably Stockholm syndrome for me at this point, but the more I look at the Neue Klasse concept the more I like it.
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I agree that it looks pretty good but it will never see the light of day
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Oct 14, 2023 16:35
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Were you talking about the Kias before? I think those are pretty close to production because this is what the EV9 loks like As for Neue Klasse, yeah, I dunno, it's really out there for BMW so I'm a bit skeptical they'll stick to those designs. They tried going with something fresh with the i3/8 and then immediately chickened out.
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Oct 14, 2023 17:37
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I guess different strokes for different folks but I hate how all those kias look, as bad as the beaver bmws, but at least those have the rear 3/4 to save them.
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Speaking of EV SUVs..quote:Alfa Romeo will in 2027 launch a large electric SUV, pitched against the BMW iX, the Lotus Eletre, the next-generation Porsche Cayenne and a promised new model from Alpine. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/alfa-romeo-electric-suv?fbclid=IwAR3dRGZjQjxnQECglaTnJsRnibDsQ-2dhaCoqcQ6ZRPlnxhllmtzLUHWMxA 
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Oct 15, 2023 08:48
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mobby_6kl posted:Were you talking about the Kias before? I think those are pretty close to production because this is what the EV9 loks like to be fair the i3 was very ugly. and yeah i was talking about the Neue Klasse
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davecrazy posted:Speaking of EV SUVs.. For some reason my brain read that as ‘speaking of evil suvs’
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Oct 15, 2023 15:56
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When I was out driving yesterday I saw a camouflaged SUV thing. It looked like every other boxy SUV so I didn't bother getting better pictures.
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Oct 15, 2023 16:51
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Gangringo posted:When I was out driving yesterday I saw a camouflaged SUV thing. It looked like every other boxy SUV so I didn't bother getting better pictures. Gotta be some Japanese import. It doesn’t follow any current big three lines on the hood e: my guess would be Nissan Armada. They haven’t had a new model since 2017 and already use quarter panel vents. The Sequoia was my other guess, but 23 was already a redesign. Dr. Lunchables fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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Oct 15, 2023 17:03
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That’s the 2024 Giant Piece of poo poo
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Oct 15, 2023 17:06
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Dr. Lunchables posted:Gotta be some Japanese import. It doesn’t follow any current big three lines on the hood I was thinking Infiniti, the QX80 has what I assume are fake vents over the front wheel like that. But now that I look at Nissan's site, as does the Armada. Eyud posted:That’s the 2024 Giant Piece of poo poo But really it's this 
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Oct 15, 2023 17:17
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Eyud posted:That’s the 2024 Giant Piece of poo poo  You ain't wrong.
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Oct 15, 2023 17:18
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Dr. Lunchables posted:Gotta be some Japanese import. It doesn’t follow any current big three lines on the hood I was going to say infiniti QX but tomato tomahto Eyud posted:That’s the 2024 Giant Piece of poo poo
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Oct 15, 2023 17:26
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TheBacon posted:I was going to say infiniti QX but tomato tomahto Surely you mean potato potato
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Oct 15, 2023 17:27
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Dr. Lunchables posted:Surely you mean potato potato Yes yes, my bad my b
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Oct 15, 2023 17:34
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Dr. Lunchables posted:Surely you mean potato potato More like poo-tato
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Oct 15, 2023 17:40
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I agree it looks like a big Nissan/Infiniti SUV for sure
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Oct 15, 2023 17:43
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Eyud posted:That’s the 2024 Giant Piece of poo poo
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Eyud posted:Read about a new car? That’s the 2024 Giant Piece of poo poo
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Oct 15, 2023 19:19
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It’s crazy how little of that rear window area is actually window. This things gonna have blind spots as big as the moon. I don’t buy the idea that it’s anything but a terrible design choice. If the A pillar is big enough to support the roofline (on rollover) at a 60 degree angle, there’s no way the near vertical D pillar couldn’t be as small as or smaller.
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Oct 15, 2023 19:28
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Dr. Lunchables posted:It’s crazy how little of that rear window area is actually window. This things gonna have blind spots as big as the moon. My guess that would be their size works in conjunction with one another. If X is the total thickness required to support the weight, the D-pillar is maybe 75% of that and the A-pillar is 25% because you spend a lot more time looking forward than backwards, so why make them 50-50 
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Oct 15, 2023 19:39
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Yeah, I don’t think that’s how it works, but it’s a… unique concept
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Oct 15, 2023 19:42
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You can just watch on your 360 camera as your run over the children behind.
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Oct 15, 2023 19:53
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It's maybe possible to manufacture the wide C-pillars out of cheaper steel.
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Oct 15, 2023 21:42
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New car trivia that I want to know the answer to: Is there any car in the US market where a manual transmission is cheaper, more efficient, and faster? In the heady days of 2015 Consumer Reports found several models of car where that was still true: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/01/save-gas-and-money-with-a-manual-transmission/index.htmquote:On the other hand, the Chevrolet Sonic got better mileage with its six-speed manual transmission, even with its turbocharged engine, than it did with the base engine and six-speed automatic transmission. (The basic Sonic we tested was a sedan; the turbocharged, manual-transmission LTZ was a hatchback.) Cheaper cars, such as the Hyundai Accent and Mazda2, all got better mileage with a stick shift.
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Oct 15, 2023 21:57
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Twerk from Home posted:New car trivia that I want to know the answer to: Is there any car in the US market where a manual transmission is cheaper, more efficient, and faster? In the heady days of 2015 Consumer Reports found several models of car where that was still true: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/01/save-gas-and-money-with-a-manual-transmission/index.htm Probably not, those cars probably had lovely torque converter autos that manuals are better than. Now a manual has become a prestige enthusiast feature and most models that offer one also probably have more advanced DCTs or something as the auto option that give better numbers.
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Oct 15, 2023 22:07
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Twerk from Home posted:New car trivia that I want to know the answer to: Is there any car in the US market where a manual transmission is cheaper, more efficient, and faster? In the heady days of 2015 Consumer Reports found several models of car where that was still true: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/01/save-gas-and-money-with-a-manual-transmission/index.htm Depends if you mean in the real world or EPA ratings.
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Oct 15, 2023 23:01
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Depends on the test cycle too. Going by WLTP numbers most manual VWs are ever so slightly more efficient than their DSG equivalents.
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Twerk from Home posted:New car trivia that I want to know the answer to: Is there any car in the US market where a manual transmission is cheaper, more efficient, and faster? In the heady days of 2015 Consumer Reports found several models of car where that was still true: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/01/save-gas-and-money-with-a-manual-transmission/index.htm WRX comes to mind, because the automatic option is a CVT taken from an Ascent.
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Eyud posted:That’s the 2024 Giant Piece of poo poo Combining 16mpg and a two star driver crash test rating takes some talent really, you'd think they could use some of the mass for crumple zones or whatever but nooope.
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Gangringo posted:When I was out driving yesterday I saw a camouflaged SUV thing. It looked like every other boxy SUV so I didn't bother getting better pictures. I love how they're all obsessed with camouflage to the point of taping trash bags over it and you can still identify it in like 30 seconds.
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Dr. Lunchables posted:It’s crazy how little of that rear window area is actually window. This things gonna have blind spots as big as the moon. I have a hard time understanding why pillars must be so massive on modern cars when my old saab with it's slimmer pillars can hold the roof up even if the car is dropped from a height, nevermind a rollover. That car btw is so great to reverse in because it gives such a good feel of where all the car is, my Yaris feels clumsier to navigate in despite being smaller.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I have a hard time understanding why pillars must be so massive on modern cars when my old saab with it's slimmer pillars can hold the roof up even if the car is dropped from a height, nevermind a rollover. That car btw is so great to reverse in because it gives such a good feel of where all the car is, my Yaris feels clumsier to navigate in despite being smaller. It may relate to other things like storing side-cushion air bags or other safety gear. Or they made roll-over crush standards higher so the old thinner pillars don't pass anymore. Or maybe both, or neither.
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CMD598 posted:I love how they're all obsessed with camouflage to the point of taping trash bags over it and you can still identify it in like 30 seconds. It's usually not about not identifying the car at all. Usually it's to obscure design decisions that haven't been finalized - so the car is wearing weird cobbled-together sheet metal or has a random other tail light jammed in to a misfitting opening, or the build quality is kind of nasty because it's a handbuilt preproduction car. You don't want someone seeing mad panel gaps and lovely incoherent design language on a clearly Infiniti preproduction vehicle - you want to have them see that once it hits showrooms!  In some cases it's about getting people hype about spy photos, especially in the case of new performance cars.
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Deteriorata posted:It may relate to other things like storing side-cushion air bags or other safety gear. Or they made roll-over crush standards higher so the old thinner pillars don't pass anymore. Or maybe both, or neither. both. i mean it doesn't explain why specific car X pillar Y is the size it is, but over time roll-over standards have gotten more stringent and there is a lot more stuff in the pillars.
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Yeah it's weird that the pillars and window sills are so high on my Focus that the vis is not great. I think they knew this as the side mirrors come with little trucker blindspot mirrors lol Hopefully all those airbags and metal give me a snowball's chance in hell when I am side-impacted by some dipshit driving an F150 RESPECT THE FLAG Edition while distracted by a touchscreen or something
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Twerk from Home posted:New car trivia that I want to know the answer to: Is there any car in the US market where a manual transmission is cheaper, more efficient, and faster? In the heady days of 2015 Consumer Reports found several models of car where that was still true: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/01/save-gas-and-money-with-a-manual-transmission/index.htm Mini just brought their manual back after supply chain problems, so that's one.
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Failson posted:Mini just brought their manual back after supply chain problems, so that's one. There was a temporary pause in MINI manual transmission production during the supply chain shortages due to having to narrow down option lists after their wiring harness supplier in Ukraine was impacted by the start of the war. They were given the option of having their normal assortment of wiring harnesses at a severely limited quantity or fewer configurations and a higher volume. You can guess which option they went with. It is also slower 0-60 and worse on fuel efficiency than the 7 speed DCT That said after the 2024 model year manual transmissions are well and truly gone from MINI's lineup. The new interior on the new generation has no accommodation for any sort of shifter. The automatic shifter is now a switch on the dash.
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dissss posted:Depends on the test cycle too. Going by WLTP numbers most manual VWs are ever so slightly more efficient than their DSG equivalents. Manuals have traditionally been more efficient at the official ratings. Makes sense when it's the factory test driver shifting versus a computer. But I wouldn't be surprised if a computerized automatic has been better than the average driver for quite a while.
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kill me now posted:There was a temporary pause in MINI manual transmission production during the supply chain shortages due to having to narrow down option lists after their wiring harness supplier in Ukraine was impacted by the start of the war. They were given the option of having their normal assortment of wiring harnesses at a severely limited quantity or fewer configurations and a higher volume. You can guess which option they went with. Shows how out-of-touch I am! Thought mini was still using a traditional torque-converter automatic, not a DCT.
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