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Andrew Scheer could run a campaign with the slogan "gently caress off we're full" and he would get 65% of the vote.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:39 |
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hope for the future Seriously though what's the real number, somewhere in the 80s? 90s? e: Torstar says "almost 70 https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/10/19/new-data-show-69-of-illegal-border-crossers-are-being-granted-asylum.html Ottawa Senior Citizen says 53: https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/sadrehashemi-four-myths-about-canadas-border-crossings flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 3, 2018 |
# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:50 |
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Lol that leadership poll at the end. Dissolve the country.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:50 |
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I am done following politics if Scheer gets in. gently caress this dumb gently caress country.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:56 |
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flakeloaf posted:
I was also curious. It has been decreasing over time, 2018 is at 40% so far. quote:Of the 10,790 asylum claims received from March to September of [2017], the refugee board has processed 592, or 5.4 per cent. Of those claims 69 per cent, or 408 cases, were granted asylum, while 141 were rejected. Forty-three other claims were either abandoned or withdrawn.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 16:21 |
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But hey at least we arent putting kids in death camps in the middle of
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 16:52 |
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Furnaceface posted:But hey at least we arent putting kids in death camps in the middle of And if it did happen they would say that it was the refugee's fault.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 17:40 |
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Furnaceface posted:But hey at least we arent putting kids in death camps in the middle of Whatever we did that poo poo way before the Americans did. Except it was native children so nobody gave a singular gently caress.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 17:54 |
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I wish we could convince people in Canada that you can have a successful socialist government and still be racist as gently caress. Just look at Sweden.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 17:55 |
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Testikles posted:One of my friends is an arch conservative and has kids. It'd probably kill our friendship but I honestly want to point out that he literally has sold out his children's future to be more comfortable. His kids will know famine, war, disease, and death all because he didn't like being told what to do. I feel like bringing this sort of thing up to my parents. They're both retired, and spend most of the Fall and Winter in the southern US. When Dougie first got the nod for leader of the PCs, I called my Dad and told him. He was flabbergasted that they chose him over Christine Elliott, and then heaved a sigh, saying he's going to have a hard time voting for him. But he did anyway, because, you know, Boomers. I want to point out that because he doesn't want to vote for someone less terrible, his grandchildren that he dearly loves are going to have a lot of problems. I'm sure he feels that leopards won't eat the faces of HIS grandkids, right? Anyway, Fallout has already predicted that the US will annex Canada for our water and resources, so we can just bide our time until then.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:05 |
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Mulcair could’ve won on the BURQA NO!, Pharmacare YES! Slogan
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:05 |
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This is an immigration crisis, but not in a 'we need barbed wire and guard towers' sort of way but in a 'we're failing to help these people integrate into society and that's unacceptable and we need to do better' sort of way. Also what the gently caress is the difference between a 'refugee' as in someone trying to escape oppression based on religion sexuality etc and an 'economic migrant' trying to escape terrible economic conditions, systemic poverty and lack of opportunity to succeed due to horrific socioeconomic conditions? Especially since those conditions can almost always be traced back to deliberate sabotage of their home countries by European and North American governments as part of a plan to keep the cost of labour and resources from those countries artificially low?
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:06 |
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Or how about nice, successful, cosmopolitan switzerl
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:08 |
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EvilJoven posted:
it's the difference between "the white man's burden to take in and shelter some faraway folks who'd be killed in their homeland so we can look ethical without actually doing anything", vs. "importing the poor and lazy so they can be poor and lazy here".
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:10 |
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EvilJoven posted:This is an immigration crisis, but not in a 'we need barbed wire and guard towers' sort of way but in a 'we're failing to help these people integrate into society and that's unacceptable and we need to do better' sort of way. Unfortunately somehow once again both the Liberals and the NDP have allowed the Conservatives to control the messaging and a majority of this country believes it would be impossible to integrate 40k people into a massive country of 36 million.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:12 |
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EvilJoven posted:This is an immigration crisis, but not in a 'we need barbed wire and guard towers' sort of way but in a 'we're failing to help these people integrate into society and that's unacceptable and we need to do better' sort of way. No joke, read this essay by Pankaj Mishra in the LRB on "human rights". He talks about how in the post-Cold War world the West needed a new defining thing to fight about, and they decided it would be human rights: quote:Back in 1999, Moyn was bewitched by the idea of America administering justice to the world’s afflicted and benighted. He wasn’t alone. The 1990s were prodigal with illusions generated by the collapse of communist regimes, the retreat of social democracy in Europe and the abandonment of socialist ideals in postcolonial Asia and Africa. The ethical vacuum had been filled by human rights, which were entrusted, as Moyn wrote, with ‘the grand political mission of providing a global framework for the achievement of freedom, identity and prosperity’. It was in 1999 that Blair announced in Chicago: ‘We are all internationals now, whether we like it or not.’ Western values and interests had miraculously merged, and it was imperative to ‘establish and spread the values of liberty, the rule of law, human rights and an open society’ – by force, if necessary. The first Gulf War, ostensibly fought for the human rights of Kuwaitis, had already helped crystallise a creed in which national sovereignty was no longer inviolate. Human rights, commanding universal approval, came in useful in trashing the principle that had given small countries some protection against superpowers during the Cold War. quote:What differentiated the Western model from many Asian, African and Latin American networks of women’s groups and indigenous peoples, or alternative development and environmental organisations, was its indifference to ‘economic and social rights’: what Moyn defines as ‘entitlements to work, education, social assistance, health, housing, food and water’. Focusing on the violations of individuals’ rights by states, human rights groups valuably documented the crimes of the Contras in Nicaragua, the army and death squads in El Salvador, and state terrorists in Guatemala. But they were largely indifferent to the abuse of power by non-state actors: the kleptocratic oligarchies that emerged in Asia, Africa and Latin America throughout the 1990s and 2000s. Nor did they have much to say about the terrible effects of the structural adjustment programmes implemented by the IMF and the World Bank in the 1980s and 1990s. Human rights politics and law, Moyn argues, may have sensitised us ‘to the misery of visible indigence alongside the horrific repression of authoritarian and totalitarian states – but not to the crisis of national welfare, the stagnation of the middle classes and the endurance of global hierarchy’. There's a lot more in the article itself, please read it. It really illuminates a lot about this issue. We accept refugees fleeing threats of physical violence because the new hegemonic global ideology of human rights sees political oppression and physical violence as invalid. But we reject refugees fleeing economic violence (where we used to accept, for example, Soviet defectors who defected because the West was rich) because economic oppression and structural social violence is seen as valid in an ideology where if you're not in imminent danger of being shot, maimed, or imprisoned for your identity or your political beliefs, you have nothing to complain about.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:22 |
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The end times are indeed here: https://twitter.com/robyndoolittle/status/1025431313593982976 Although I wonder how horrible and regressive a GMI could be. Need to provide your own blood for daily drug tests, during which a Local Freedom Officer demands you sing the songs of the Orange Lodge.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:24 |
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Hand Knit posted:The end times are indeed here: There's no way I'm clicking that to read it, but the fact that the title is "The conservative case for a guaranteed income" and the subtitle is "Could a universal income make the welfare state obsolete?" tells you everything you need to know. Basic income is popular among some capitalists as a way to shrink the state while still ensuring everyone can remain a good oppressed petty consumer even while automation impoverishes them all. It's a way to perpetuate the system that grants capitalist elites such enormous wealth, by giving the poor just enough that they don't starve to death and rise up against structural injustice, in a format that justifies cutting all the other things the state does or could do to level inequality. Because if you just weren't so lazy and untalented, you could use your basic income to rise through our perfectly meritocratic system and be a billionaire like Elon Musk.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:31 |
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Hand Knit posted:The end times are indeed here: A conservative implemented GMI would literally remove every single social safety net program to provide people with just enough basic income to not starve or freeze to death.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:34 |
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I have zero trust that a UBI wouldn’t result in complete gutting of every other form of social welfare leading to a net loss across multiple metrics. Edit beaten
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:38 |
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Hand Knit posted:The end times are indeed here: Wente's timing couldn't be better, coming after Ford has already cancelled the pilot in Ontario.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:39 |
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vyelkin posted:We accept refugees fleeing threats of physical violence because the new hegemonic global ideology of human rights sees political oppression and physical violence as invalid. But we reject refugees fleeing economic violence (where we used to accept, for example, Soviet defectors who defected because the West was rich) because economic oppression and structural social violence is seen as valid in an ideology where if you're not in imminent danger of being shot, maimed, or imprisoned for your identity or your political beliefs, you have nothing to complain about. Main_Stream_Leftism.txt
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:03 |
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Canada leading the way in postmodern racism:quote:Fists fly, and so does a megaphone, as refugee crisis inflames local politics in Toronto area quote:Anti-immigration groups at Parliament Hill protest demand apology from Trudeau quote:Multiple people approached by a reporter indicated they did not speak English. This is the most Canadian thing ever since those lovely Brazilian owned donuts or that terrible American beer commercial.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:20 |
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Jesus Christ - gently caress each and every single one of those mother loving FYGM idiots.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:26 |
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Helsing posted:Canada leading the way in postmodern racism: I had to make sure those articles weren't satire. This is surreal.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:28 |
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In CI's absence, let me be the one to remark on how adorable it is when white people see someone from another part of the world out-racisting them.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:28 |
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The fact none whites can be racist af isn't new but the alliance between immigrants who literally don't speak English and La Meute seems unprecedented.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:43 |
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Maybe they're coordinating in French?
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:57 |
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If they live in the burbs, hate immigrants and speak French then they're already more Canadian than most of this thread.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 20:05 |
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The far right uses hateful minorities the same way the conservatives use rural voters. They're cannon fodder who will be thrown under the bus the moment the elites get what they want. See also, jontron.
Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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But guys they're not white and only whites are racist this doesn't make any sense.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 21:39 |
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I make this statement unironically. Minorities can be racist against other minorities. You can’t be racist against whites.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 21:57 |
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https://tvo.org/blog/current-affairs/the-day-the-queens-park-press-corps-fought-back A TVO writer describes the boorish behavior the OPC uses to suppress media question periods.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:11 |
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DariusLikewise posted:I make this statement unironically. Minorities can be racist against other minorities. You can’t be racist against whites. You can but it has to be in an incredibly rare set of circumstances.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:12 |
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Like maybe in Japan you could be racist against white people
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:13 |
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Testikles posted:Like maybe in Japan you could be racist against white people At that point, the white person is the minority though. Pretty sure he was talking about in North America
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:17 |
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DariusLikewise posted:I make this statement unironically. Minorities can be racist against other minorities. You can’t be racist against whites. I mean, surely this is a reaction to white people saying things like, "those Mexicans hate whites!!" but... Still seems like a dumb thing to say. The idea that you can't be racist against a non-minority group seems false just on definition. I'm always troubled when I hear it repeated. Maybe someone has a compelling argument? I obviously don't think racism against whites is a pressing issue right now. Tsyni fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Apparently that Wente article goes into Charles Murray poo poo. Just as well I didn't read it lmao.EvilJoven posted:But guys they're not white and only whites are racist this doesn't make any sense. I mean, it is a legitimate rhetorical challenge. As much as you can make an academic case that this can all be described as 'white supremacy,' talking that way isn't going to be politically forceful. A good, hearty chuckle and Canadian politics trying to develop its own rhetoric rather than just importing it from the US.
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# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:50 |
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Tsyni posted:I mean, surely this is a reaction to white people saying things like, "those Mexicans hate whites!!" but... Still seems like a dumb thing to say. quote:I obviously don't think racism against whites is a pressing issue right now. It's basically two separate things (which is why I've split your post into two quotes). The first is a semantic argument where going by definition, yes, obviously people can technically be "racist" against white people because racism is just about judging someone based on a superficial quality shared by a group rather than their actions as an individual. The second is about privilege, where the argument is more that because white people are such a privileged group, racism against white people doesn't actually matter because it has no meaningful consequences for them. Meanwhile racism against minority groups absolutely DOES have significant consequences for a lot of people. When people are making the semantic argument as a serious point, it's usually a disingenuous attempt to equate "some people said some mean things about white people on facebook" and "black people are being murdered by cops who then face no consequences" as being morally equivalent.
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The only reason we're hearing about this now is that Chinese people stayed out of politics most of the time but now times are a changing and now white people get to hear what us kids have always heard for all of our lives around the dinner table
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