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not wanting a meth head or heroin addict working for you is one thing but completely removing someone's candidacy because they like to smoke a joint after work is pretty fuckin stupid hot drat 
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Kumbamontu posted:not wanting a meth head or heroin addict working for you is one thing but completely removing someone's candidacy because they like to smoke a joint after work is pretty fuckin stupid Maybe they shouldn't be violating federal and/or state law. Even if it is legal in the state, it is still against federal law. They don't get the right to smoke weed and work. It is a drug and outlawed. They belong in prison or worse. It is best to deny these people work and blacklist their resumes.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:32
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:Maybe they shouldn't be violating federal and/or state law. I just wanna know, are you against anything illegal or just weed? If Prohibition was still in effect would you say the same? I don't seem to know you as well as the others~
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Jun 10, 2014 21:34
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:No, you cannot. If you do a lab test, like I do, as opposed to a dip-stick test, which lovely companies do, we will spot it. It does not conform to human urine which has other characteristics like specific gravity, ph, creatinine, etc levels that are tested for. If it is outside those ranges, it means the sample is invalid. lol this is the best because the easiest way to beat a drug test is to have someone that is clean piss in a bag for you, then you strap it to your thigh so it stays warm and then put that in the cup when you're 'peeing' and you aren't working for the government so you aren't legally allowed to actually watch them pee regardless of what absurdity you're going to post in reponse
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Jun 10, 2014 21:35
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:No, you cannot. If you do a lab test, like I do, as opposed to a dip-stick test, which lovely companies do, we will spot it. It does not conform to human urine which has other characteristics like specific gravity, ph, creatinine, etc levels that are tested for. If it is outside those ranges, it means the sample is invalid. I know this isnt a serious post but I also know youre in HR and poo poo so - doesnt it make more sense to just use the mouth swabs? They save the employer a shitload of money since they can be administered on site and you can ask the prospective employee to just self-administer right in front of you. Additionally, they are a lot more "fair" since they only test the last 72 hours. If I'm an employer, I don't really care what you did three weeks ago, but I care if you smoked a joint right before you came in for the interview.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:37
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old dog child posted:I just wanna know, are you against anything illegal or just weed? If Prohibition was still in effect would you say the same? I don't seem to know you as well as the others~ The problem with prohibition is we didn't have the technological advantage we have now. We know the detrimental effects of alcohol on the body. It should be a controlled substance and only allowed in more...prestigious drinks. Wine, spirits, that sort of thing. Beer and more common brews should be outlawed because of the volume of consumption involved. Same thing with cigarettes. I hope you guys like your health care costs going up. Every fucker that smokes increases your premium by 0.85%. Harmful choices with no benefit should be simply denied.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:The problem with prohibition is we didn't have the technological advantage we have now. Okay, that makes sense. I can get behind that reasoning. But marijuana isn't harmful and has benefits soooo.  but anyway glad to know you'll be on board with  as soon as it's legal and profitable
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Jun 10, 2014 21:40
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Hesh Ballantine posted:I know this isnt a serious post but I also know youre in HR and poo poo so - doesnt it make more sense to just use the mouth swabs? They save the employer a shitload of money since they can be administered on site and you can ask the prospective employee to just self-administer right in front of you. Additionally, they are a lot more "fair" since they only test the last 72 hours. If I'm an employer, I don't really care what you did three weeks ago, but I care if you smoked a joint right before you came in for the interview. Realtalk: The reason we send to the lab for a urinalysis is because if the sample comes back incorrect, we can see why. If someone is honest with me and tells me he is smoking, I will tell him to come back in 3 weeks and test. No big deal, I just need him to get (and stay) clean. On the other hand, if someone says to my face that they are clean, then they go into the test and their urine is loving dog piss, guess what shitbag, you lied to me and it came out on a lab test. Your job off is DENIED. Eat a cock sammich. Also, the reason you have it go to a lab is that it is enforceable. They have the sample re-tested by an MRO which is a Medical Review Officer. That supports actions for Department of Transportation, etc. Very helpful and consistent. I also always pair labs with local hospitals, so if I have a worker staple their finger in some horrible office-accident, I can send them up the street for stitches and a drug test.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:41
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:It should be a controlled substance and only allowed in more...prestigious drinks. Wine, spirits, that sort of thing. Beer and more common brews should be outlawed because of the volume of consumption involved. lol are you from 1750s London those common brews
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Jun 10, 2014 21:41
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:The problem with prohibition is we didn't have the technological advantage we have now. We get it, you like telling people how to run their lives. Truly an inspiration.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:41
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Moridin920 posted:lol this is the best because the easiest way to beat a drug test is to have someone that is clean piss in a bag for you, then you strap it to your thigh so it stays warm and then put that in the cup when you're 'peeing' Unless they are required to have Department of Transportation level drug testing, which means they need to be watched while voiding. 
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Jun 10, 2014 21:42
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:No, you cannot. If you do a lab test, like I do, as opposed to a dip-stick test, which lovely companies do, we will spot it. It does not conform to human urine which has other characteristics like specific gravity, ph, creatinine, etc levels that are tested for. If it is outside those ranges, it means the sample is invalid. lol no job a goon is gonna get is gonna bother with this expensive poo poo.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:43
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Pobama posted:lol no job a goon is gonna get is gonna bother with this expensive poo poo. Market price for a full 9 panel and MRO is about $30 bucks. Less if you have a contract.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:45
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:Market price for a full 9 panel and MRO is about $30 bucks. Stand by my original statement about goons and the cheapness of companies that would hire them.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:46
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:Unless they are required to have Department of Transportation level drug testing, which means they need to be watched while voiding. Nope http://www.dot.gov/sites/dot.dev/files/docs/ODAPC%20EmployeeHandbook%20En.pdf quote:The Collection
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Jun 10, 2014 21:47
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Also there are several fun drugs that don't show up on any drug tests, and are even legal.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:47
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Moridin920 posted:Nope That's funny, you included it! quote:- Exceptions to the rule generally surround issues of attempted adulteration or
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Jun 10, 2014 21:48
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You can't watch them piss without having said valid reason or else it just ends up with you staring at a dick because you're curious i actually have no idea how it works
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Jun 10, 2014 21:51
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:That's funny, you included it! Yeah you can't just assume they're going to gently caress with the test immediately in all cases as a way to get around the privacy thing, idiot. It's like the probable cause thing, it has to be present in the first place you can't search and then find probable cause after the fact. It's like, if they pee and the temp is off, then you can watch them pee again. I hope you have a legal team on retainer because eventually someone is going to sue you about it if you really do watch your employees pissing every single time. Sounds like a class action waiting to happen but maybe that's just because I have lawyers in my family. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 21:52
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:No, you cannot. If you do a lab test, like I do, as opposed to a dip-stick test, which lovely companies do, we will spot it. It does not conform to human urine which has other characteristics like specific gravity, ph, creatinine, etc levels that are tested for. If it is outside those ranges, it means the sample is invalid. your coworkers probably waste hundreds-thousands of hours a year smoking cigarettes on the clock lol
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Jun 10, 2014 21:52
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they feel entitled to their smoke breaks and feel persecuted about having to smoke outside away from the doors and they will increase the cost of healthcare for everyone when they die slowly of cancer
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Jun 10, 2014 21:53
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah you can't just assume they're going to gently caress with the test immediately in all cases as a way to get around the privacy thing, idiot. I work for him, he has cameras in all the bathrooms!
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Jun 10, 2014 21:53
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Pobama posted:I work for him, he has cameras in all the bathrooms! Cameras (I know that is what you typed, I'm emphasizing)
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Jun 10, 2014 21:54
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gggiiimmmppp posted:your coworkers probably waste hundreds-thousands of hours a year smoking cigarettes on the clock lol I let them take their smoke breaks. But before they do, each time they have to exit the door to the "smokers lounge" which is a smokers-only room with proper ventilation. Except the ventilation only kicks on after 5 minutes of their 10 minute break. In addition, the room is covered on every wall and on the table with anti-smoking materials I get from the state.
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I don't do drugs but I think it's funny that I've had to take a drug test for every retail job I've ever had but when I started working audit for a global investment firm with access to the account information for billions of dollars worth of investor funds they forgot to give me a drug test & then never got around to it.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I let them take their smoke breaks. But before they do, each time they have to exit the door to the "smokers lounge" which is a smokers-only room with proper ventilation. Except the ventilation only kicks on after 5 minutes of their 10 minute break. In addition, the room is covered on every wall and on the table with anti-smoking materials I get from the state. this is hilarious in contrast to your vehemence about not hiring druggies because these are all degenerate druggies and you apparently spend a lot of money accomodating them wasting time on the clock being addicts
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Jun 10, 2014 21:57
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I let them take their smoke breaks. But before they do, each time they have to exit the door to the "smokers lounge" which is a smokers-only room with proper ventilation. Except the ventilation only kicks on after 5 minutes of their 10 minute break. In addition, the room is covered on every wall and on the table with anti-smoking materials I get from the state. That actually sounds like a pleasant experience. I'd smoke there A+++
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Jun 10, 2014 21:58
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old dog child posted:That actually sounds like a pleasant experience. I'd smoke there A+++
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Jun 10, 2014 21:58
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gggiiimmmppp posted:this is hilarious in contrast to your vehemence about not hiring druggies because these are all degenerate druggies and you apparently spend a lot of money accomodating them wasting time on the clock being addicts If it was against state and federal law, they would be gone yesterday and without accrued vacation.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:I don't do drugs but I think it's funny that I've had to take a drug test for every retail job I've ever had but when I started working audit for a global investment firm with access to the account information for billions of dollars worth of investor funds they forgot to give me a drug test & then never got around to it. lol if you honestly submit to a retail job drug test. You can just tell them no, and they can't do anything about it. They still hire you (I am white, probably helped)
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people with jobs who smoke pot at home aren't going to make you build a lounge for them to smoke on the clock you know
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:Unless they are required to have Department of Transportation level drug testing, which means they need to be watched while voiding. I get DOT level testing, and they don't watch me piss. Albeit it is random, and so we would be unprepared regardless.
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Jun 10, 2014 22:00
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my point though is that you seem to feel really strongly about your moral high ground with regard to marijuana smokers when in fact any qualified marijuana smoker who doesn't smoke tobacco would absolutely be a better investment for you as an employer in addition to some strong moral, public health and economic arguments in favor of outright discrimination against cigarette smokers
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gggiiimmmppp posted:my point though is that you seem to feel really strongly about your moral high ground with regard to marijuana smokers when in fact any qualified marijuana smoker who doesn't smoke tobacco would absolutely be a better investment for you as an employer Dude he's a job creator. He's entitled to a higher moral viewpoint. Grow up bro.
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Richardanator posted:Dude he's a job creator. He's entitled to a higher moral viewpoint. Grow up bro. if he's a real american money speaks louder than morality
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of course it's bad for you. the basic argument is that it's not nearly as bad for you as has been made out by the establishment for the last 80 years. pez is bad for you too, doesn't mean you should go to jail for it.
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everything is bad for you oxygen is corrosive, the sun gives you cancer
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:No, you cannot. If you do a lab test, like I do, as opposed to a dip-stick test, which lovely companies do, we will spot it. It does not conform to human urine which has other characteristics like specific gravity, ph, creatinine, etc levels that are tested for. If it is outside those ranges, it means the sample is invalid. oh its you
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op i'm gonna smoke a spliff, you want in on this?
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I let them take their smoke breaks. But before they do, each time they have to exit the door to the "smokers lounge" which is a smokers-only room with proper ventilation. Except the ventilation only kicks on after 5 minutes of their 10 minute break. In addition, the room is covered on every wall and on the table with anti-smoking materials I get from the state. If you really want to stick it to your smoking employees you should store your farts in a tank & then 5 minutes into their 10 minute smoke breaks you should start pumping in your farts. Pobama posted:lol if you honestly submit to a retail job drug test. You can just tell them no, and they can't do anything about it. They still hire you (I am white, probably helped) In Florida you can be denied employment if you refuse a drug test so I guess lol if you want to be employed.
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