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Maigius
Jun 29, 2013


Good to see this one back, hope part two goes a lot smoother than part one.

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Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.
Awesome, there's a lot more of this game to laugh at and I'm sure as hell not going to play it again.

Mazed
Oct 23, 2010

:blizz:


Oh, is there any chance we'll be picking up at any point using the HD remaster that this game got a year or so ago? Or are we sticking to standard def in respect to your dear departed PS2?

The remaster did work some wonders visually. Pity the same cannot be said for the soundtrack. :v:

On the subject of Macalania: This was certainly an immersion-breaker. I grew up in the humid south US so when I first played this back int he day, I got a kick out of seeing landscapes that resembled what I was used to for once (as opposed to the big mountains and forests that fantasy is so fond of). And then suddenly, snow. Later parts of the game taking place at high elevations make sense for cold, but not this all of a drat sudden.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Mazed posted:

Oh, is there any chance we'll be picking up at any point using the HD remaster that this game got a year or so ago? Or are we sticking to standard def in respect to your dear departed PS2?

The remaster did work some wonders visually. Pity the same cannot be said for the soundtrack. :v:

They did a port for the PS4 and added an option to switch to the original OST.

Still did not implement a skip cutscene function though....

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


Have they released the patch to unbreak the PS4 version of this yet?


I used to follow along with the LP from behind the paywall back in the days. I am super glad it's back.

Archenteron
Nov 3, 2006

:marc:
Try not to blow up again, Id, and good luck on the LP resumption!

DanielCross
Aug 16, 2013

Aurain posted:

Have they released the patch to unbreak the PS4 version of this yet?

Last I remember from the FF Megathread, yes.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
Wait, what bug? I plan to get a PS4 and the HD remaster at some point, what'd they break?

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Wait, what bug? I plan to get a PS4 and the HD remaster at some point, what'd they break?

The RNG was broken.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


And the BGM reset after every battle too, but that's good if it's fixed.

Llab
Dec 28, 2011

PEPSI FOR VG BABE
As much as I loved Drakengard 3, that game LP'd itself too well. I missed TDI's dialogue too much.

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



Mazed posted:

The remaster did work some wonders visually. Pity the same cannot be said for the soundtrack. :v:

It did some wonders, yeah, but boy howdy did they f up the facial capture animations. Scenes where characters would look apprehensive or worried all kinda melted in to the same sort of stoic plastic people.

The texture updates they did though were amazing, yeah.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

Llab posted:

As much as I loved Drakengard 3, that game LP'd itself too well. I missed TDI's dialogue too much.

I'm pretty convinced it was at least partially inspired by these kind of LPs.

bean mom
Jan 30, 2009

My god Id, your resolve is unshakeable

Variant_Eris
Nov 2, 2014

Exhibition C: Colgate white smile
I'm going to go throw my roommate out of the window now.

Thanks! :suicide:

Variant_Eris fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Sep 30, 2015

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic

Zyla posted:

My god Id, your resolve is unshakeable

At least this game isn't relentlessly depressing or full of assholesokay no it's full of assholes like Drakengard is! There's that!

bluerocker
May 30, 2013

Never trust anything with beady eyes and a knife. Especially if it offers hugs.
*looks at popular threads*

Yay, the LP is back! Time to go make dumb art when the time arises~! :toot:

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

Mazed posted:

Yeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss



Surf's back up.

I don't get it.

HR12345
Nov 19, 2012
Since I'm re-reading the LP from the beginning, and saw the line about how Tidus is about one tick above Nowe in Idiot Hero-ness, how would you rate the IQs of main characters you've played?

Aesclepia
Dec 5, 2013
Next verse same as the first.
Is this where we talk about how we love or hated this game? Because I loved the poo poo out of this game :D Not that there isn't some grade A idiocy going on here, but at least it isn't XII.

I hope things go better for you in non-LP land, Dark ID!

Nohman
Sep 19, 2007
Never been worse.
Huh this is really happening? Is that the longest stretch a LP has come back from the dead? In any case glad to have it back for more of Tidus' big stupid adventure. :getin:

The Dark Id
Aug 13, 2005

Why
you
know
I
LOVE
THIS SHIT !!!!
[citation needed]
See? I started this LP and now there's a Category 3 hurricane aimed directly at where I used to live. Nice try, Final Fantasy X curse! I loving moved! Ha!

I'll have an update later tonight. I hope you like racism!

ReturnOfFable
Oct 9, 2012

No tears, only dreams.

The Dark Id posted:

See? I started this LP and now there's a Category 3 hurricane aimed directly at where I used to live. Nice try, Final Fantasy X curse! I loving moved! Ha!

I'll have an update later tonight. I hope you like racism!

drat, a hurricane that is completely avoiding Florida? This is weird...

Llab
Dec 28, 2011

PEPSI FOR VG BABE
I only love anti-wyvern racism.

Also, I fully expect the LP gods to redirect their ire when they find out.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
And they laughed when TDI refused to fill out that one last change of address form :smugdog:

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

Nohman posted:

Huh this is really happening? Is that the longest stretch a LP has come back from the dead? In any case glad to have it back for more of Tidus' big stupid adventure. :getin:

I think AccountingNightmare's Devil May Cry 4 LP has the longest stretch.

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal

The Dark Id posted:

See? I started this LP and now there's a Category 3 hurricane aimed directly at where I used to live. Nice try, Final Fantasy X curse! I loving moved! Ha!

Is it really wise to taunt whatever supernatural force is out to get you?

HR12345
Nov 19, 2012
What is this I'm hearing about an FFX LP curse? What, like everytime someone's tried to do one, everything goes wrong?

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
TDI you monster that hurricane is coming right towards ME now :saddowns: I'm an innocent bystander

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



Danaru posted:

TDI you monster that hurricane is coming right towards ME now :saddowns: I'm an innocent bystander

That'll teach you to stalk TDI.

The Dark Id
Aug 13, 2005

Why
you
know
I
LOVE
THIS SHIT !!!!
[citation needed]
Episode LVIX: Display My Ignorance


Music: Enemy Attack




Alright, I've got some issues with everything happening right now that I feel I need to air. First of all, the Al Bhed are trying to capture Yuna. We'll just ignore that nobody never actually went “the hell is even the deal with doing that” to Rikku at any point since she joined. We're past that. The point is they're attempting to kidnap someone by attacking their position with a tank. While they're still in it. That's like trying to initiate a hostage rescue by ordering an air-strike in the building they're housed in.

Beyond just the tank being the method of kidnapping, we've got the fact they drove a loving 10 TON TANK onto a frozen lake. No part of this plan is well thought out or planned. But here we are contending with it. Meet the Crawler.



The Crawler's first order of business is launching a drone called the Negator which emits a powerful anti-magic field disabling the party's magical capabilities while active.



This is one of the primary gimmicks of this battle. And this battle does have a few. I really didn't pick the best stop to pick up this game after several years, since this battle can be a bit rough. The Crawler hits like a... well a goddamn tank, has armor defenses against physical blows and most magic (besides Thunder which it has a weakness toward), and has a very healthy 16,000 HP what with being a goddamn tank.



The first order of business should be disabling the Negator. The Al Bhed's UAV only has 1000 HP. The trouble is it is a flying enemy so everyone's physical attacks outside of Wakka are helpless to swat the thing down. On top of that there's the whole no magic thing so Lulu and Yuna are pretty much worthless until a button is put on that. Auron is all physical attacks so he's on the bench too. Kimahri I guess could use Lancet...? Pfft. Sure.

Unless we get lucky with a critical strike, Wakka needs to burn through 2/3 turns of lobbing sports balls at the thing to take it down.





Alternately, we can have Rikku pitch in with her item use to just toss a grenade at the problem and hope for the best. Hey, it worked for Solid Snake when dealing with tanks.



While Negator is active, the Crawler only has a single default attack in Gatling Gun. Where it will err... fire its gatling gun hitting the entire party 6-8 times randomly for 200-300 HP of damage each blow. The Gatling Gun attack has really poor accuracy and abilities like Tidus' Cheer and the like (abilities don't count as magic) can help to evade blows.



When the Negator is destroyed we move onto the primary phase of the battle where we begin our assault on the tank proper now that magic is back on the table.



Now is Lulu's time to shine with Thundara spells. They'll bite out around 2,000 HP out of the mechanical beast. Other party members that happen to have Thunder magic equipped on their weapons (unlikely unless you know what's coming given the previous area was nothing but lightning absorbing enemies) can contribute. Otherwise the rest of the party is pretty much there for healing, buffs, and moral support for Lulu.



The Al Bhed won't take Lulu's electrical nonsense lightly, however. Every spell cast on Crawler will result in it counter-attacking Lulu by ramming her for a good 700-800 HP of damage. Her being a squishy mage means there's only 2-3 rounds she can take from that kind of abuse before taking a dirt nap. And we kind of don't want to use healing magic here. Or really any magic beyond Lulu's Thundara. For you see, there's another gimmick involving magic beyond the drone blocking it.





Every fourth magic spell cast will result in the crawler deploying a brand new Negator into the battle and bringing us back to square one with the anti-magic field business. So there's that to take into consideration.



When the Negator is disabled things aren't all peachy. Beyond counter-attacking magic, Crawler will now uses the next four turns to count down its ultimate attack: The Mana Beam.





The Mana Beam is just a giant laser cannon that will sweep the entire party hitting for 1500-2000. It's a bad time for everyone involved. The only way to avoid the Mana Beam is to either (obviously) destroy the Crawler before it fires. Or else use four magic spells to force it into redeploying the Negator, which will in turn disable the Mana Beam from firing. Yes, they brought a tank that deploys drones that disable magic and a main cannon that runs on magic energy. Nothing about this vehicle was very well thought out.



That's about all there is to be said about the Crawler battle. Just maintaining a balance of firing off enough Thundara spells before the Mana Cannon can fire, disabling the drone, rinsing and repeating and hoping things don't go real bad with timing.







RIP another crew of Al Bhed war machine pilots. Wakka might be the only one actively racist toward the Al Bhed. But the fact his comrades have murdered more of them than any other non-monster race in Spira probably might start raising a few eyebrows after a while.





We get a nice chunk of AP, Gil, and loot from our defeat of the latest Al Bhed shenanigans. I need to remind myself to go check what the hell was going on in my Sphere Grid in the past because hell if I remember.


New Music: Fog Sea






Uhh... You're welcome, dickweed. Is nobody going to go along with Tromell this time around. The guy hosed up escorting Yuna literally within seconds of being left in his care. You people are just the worst at your jobs.





[I will tell Father!]



[I am the guardian of Yuna, you see?]
“Fa femm kiynt ran! Cra ec cyva!" [Yuna is safe! We will guard her!]



[You do this alone, sister!]

The Al Bhed leader runs off...



*nervous laugh* “I told him I was a guardian. Well, guess I had to, really."
"How come you speak Al Bhed?”



“Uhh... Well... guha...”
*sigh* <I have seen that look before. This is all about to get very offensive...>



*to Tidus and Lulu* "You knew?
*nods*
“Why didn't you tell me?"
"We knew you'd be upset."
”...Kinda thought you'd catch on sooner. I mean she has the spiral eye thing going on and all. Err... No offense. Is that offensive...? That sounds offensive.”
“So what?”
“...Isn't that an Al Bhed thing? I mean I have never seen an Al Bhed until like a month ago and even I figured out that. Err... That is an Al Bhed thing, right...?”
“It is.”
*nods* “It's why we wear the goggles...”
“...”
“...So what!?”

“This is great. I can't believe I've been traveling with an Al Bhed! A heathen!"
"You're wrong! We have nothing against Yevon."
"But you Al Bhed use the forbidden machina! You know what that means?”



"You got proof? Show me proof!"
<And here we go...>



"It's in Yevon's teachings! Not that you'd know!"
"That's not good enough! Yevon says this, Yevon says that. Can't you think for yourself?"
”Yevon's teachings say I don't gotta as long as I have faith.”
"Well, then you tell me! Where did Sin come from, huh?"
"I...I don't know!"
"You bad-mouth Yevon and that's all you can come up with?"
”I didn't even bad-mouth Yevon. I just said maybe you should think for yourself a tiny bit outside what's written in some old books.”
“Blasphemy!”

"But...that doesn't mean you should do whatever they say without thinking! Nothing will ever change that way!"
"Nothing has to change!"
"You want Sin to keep coming back? There might be a way to stop it, you know!"
"Sin will be gone once we atone for our past mistakes!"
“When? How?"



”Going to just continue keeping the course for a thousand years of that not really doing anything, huh?”
“Yevon works in mysterious ways. It's not for us to know. A heathen like you wouldn't understand.”

"Why do I even bother?"
"Rikku! "
“Hm?”



*runs over* “Yes!”
“We're not using that, are we?”



"Come on, Wakka..."
"What?"
”Auron is just...”
“Cold, tired of walking, and I don't care about Yevon. If you would like to argue religious doctrine, there's a snow drift over there that will listen.”
"...”

"I mean, getting angry just 'cause you found out Rikku's an Al Bhed... You guys got along just fine till now, didn't you?"
"That's different. I mean..."
”She... She could be putting on an act. What about that thing with the thunder? Ain't heard of no grease monkeys being afraid of electricity what with their precious machina.”
“...You also hadn't heard of the single weird physical trait they have until three minutes ago either.”
“Hmph! Well, I can't be wasting my time with knowing about stupid things like the Al Bhed.”

"Well, I don't claim to know that much about Spira. And I probably know even less about the Al Bhed, but...I know Rikku's a good person. She's just Rikku!"
"Lu?"



"Ha!"



Wakka decides he's going to walk the rest of the way to Macalania Temple by himself. No doubt to brood about how that rotten Al Bhed Rikku stole that sixth guardian position on the team from a hard working Yevonite they just hadn't encountered yet.

Oh well. gently caress him. He'll get over it. Or die of hypothermia.



"You've done nothing to apologize for."
”Wakka is just... Erm...”
“...Little bit racist?”
“I like the guy but... yeah.”
*grunts* <Wakka not even know funny jokes about Al Bhed. How many Al Bhed it take to change in a light bulb? Zero because they all smited by Sin for using forbidden machina. How that even supposed to be joke?>
“...I was going to say... 'passionate' about his faith. But yes. Wakka is not the most open-minded person I know.”

"All right! Let's ride!"



*flips over a snowmobile *
"Better than Kimahri does!”



Whatever, dude. Kimahri knows what he's doing. He's sick of you humans' poo poo and is just loving OUT!



Hey, remember that “Affection” mechanic I mentioned ages ago and touched on a few times? The one where performing certain actions in dialogue and healing people in combat and such would raise an unseen stat dictating a few scenes. Well this right here is the primary point in the game where you get a completely different scene depending on who has the highest affection at this point. Discounting Yuna who has already taken off on foot, hopefully without another kidnapping attempt or Sin Spawn ambush or the like. And Wakka, his is having a bigotry brooding session.

Whoever between the remaining Lulu, Rikku, Auron, and Kimahri likes Tidus the best will now share a unique conversation for the drive to the next area. In our case, the winner is...



Rikku! Not sure how that worked out. But I reckon hitching a ride with the simple but friendly enough Tidus is probably her safest bet after the previous simple but seemingly friendly enough guy just blew up in her face like a jackass.




Music: Fantasy




"He didn't have to be so mean, yeah? I almost cried."
“Uh... Rikku?"



"It's okay. At least you're still nice.”
”Yeah well, you've been pretty cool. I mean... other than the time you gun-whipped me and forced me into undersea labor. And the time you tried to kill me in that river. And your brother just tried to kill me with some kinda tank. I guess that last one isn't on you...”
*nervous laugh* “Yeah... Super sorry...”

“Hey, do I look like Yunie, you think?”
“Huh?”
”...Err. Not... really? Like... at all? I mean you're both cute, don't get me wrong. It's ju—“



"Hmm. Ah. I had no idea! If you say so.”
“Mmm-hmm.”
”Say, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Wakka doesn't know Yunie is half-Al Bhed, right?”
“And people say I ask a lot of dumb questions. I think you already know the answer to that one.”
*nervous laugh* “Sheesh. That's going to be a great drama bomb one of these days.”

“Okay! I guess you're guarding your family, then."
"Yuna's not the only one that I want to protect. We Al Bhed want to protect all of the summoners, you know? Summoners are... Well, you could say that... they sacrifice themselves to, well... to bring happiness to Spira."



“Oh.”
“Rikku?"
"Yes?"
"'Sacrifice themselves'"?
”...”
“You know what I mean. ...Right?”
“Huh?”
“The whole suic—someone has told you what happens at the end of Yuna's journey, right...?”
“Yeah. Get to Zanarkand. Defeat Sin. Duh.”
“And what happens to Yunie...?”
“Yeah. I guess they'll have to make a buncha statues out of her like her dad. Sounds like a pain in the butt to pose for or whatever.”
“...Oh. Geez.”
<Yeesh. Yuna did not pick the brightest guardians here.>
“What were you saying?”

"You know, the pilgrimage...It takes a lot out of you."
"Oh, right! But you know. Yuna's real serious about being a summoner. For Yuna, well the pilgrimage kinda means everything to her. You are going to help her, too, aren't you, Rikku?"
"..."
"So you shouldn't say that Yuna's sacrificing herself."

Rikku hugs Tidus...







And that ends the solitary “long” unique cutscene dictated by Final Fantasy X's affection mechanic. Yep. That was it. There's like a 30 second bit later on and one animation for Tidus' Overdrive is slightly different. Square had good resource allocation priorities back in the day.






Video: Episode 59 Highlight Reel






Crawler Concept Art

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
I might be misremembering, but is this the only time Rikku explicitly brings up she's Yuna's cousin in this game?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

ApplesandOranges posted:

I might be misremembering, but is this the only time Rikku explicitly brings up she's Yuna's cousin in this game?

Yep. Not exactly secret information though, since Yuna mentioned Cid is her uncle and it's later on connected that Yuna and Rikku are cousins by process of connection.

Camel Pimp
May 17, 2008

This poster survived LPing Lunar: Dragon Song. Let's give her a hand.
I have never seen that scene with any one but Lulu, and I have played this game a few times. I seem to recall for the affection values it's pretty heavily slanted towards Lulu.

FeyerbrandX
Oct 9, 2012

Well she's been in the party from practically the start, Rikku really just 2 or 3 dungeons.

While Kimari and Wakka are there early too, Wakka's beefy so probably wouldn't be healed often. Kimari is... yeah. Auron is equally beefy and only 3 or 4 dungeons ahead of Rikku. Lulu's the one that'd be affected by that affection mechanic the most.

Plus its not like they really have dialogue trees to stack the deck in their favor anyway.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

Glad we got Rikku's scene. It's my favorite out of the three. And I'm pretty sure it is three - while Auron and Kimahri's affection levels both come into play, if either/both of them are high enough I'm pretty sure the scene just has Tidus riding alongside both of them rather than having Rikku/Lulu cuddle up on the back seat.

The Dark Id
Aug 13, 2005

Why
you
know
I
LOVE
THIS SHIT !!!!
[citation needed]

Camel Pimp posted:

I have never seen that scene with any one but Lulu, and I have played this game a few times. I seem to recall for the affection values it's pretty heavily slanted towards Lulu.

I have no idea how I got Rikku. Other than possibly the fact Lulu got her poo poo kicked in during that boss battle while I remembered how the hell to play this game (not pictured: completely whiffing her Overdrive because hell if I could remember how to use it :v:) I was getting Lulu affection scenes back in Guadosalam.

I'll post the other possible scenes another time. Though only Rikku and Lulu's have much relevance.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Glad to see this back.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
I'd forgotten how good you were at writing dialogue for Auron. Auron is the best :allears:

The Dark Id posted:

I have no idea how I got Rikku. Other than possibly the fact Lulu got her poo poo kicked in during that boss battle while I remembered how the hell to play this game (not pictured: completely whiffing her Overdrive because hell if I could remember how to use it :v:) I was getting Lulu affection scenes back in Guadosalam.

I'll post the other possible scenes another time. Though only Rikku and Lulu's have much relevance.

As I recall, the Affection thing is determined more or less by how well you've treated them. You can game the system by buying a thousand Potions, taking the person you want to ride with into a battle, and just force-feeding them Potion after Potion after Potion. Rikku tends to be on the squishy side, so you probably tipped it in her favor by desperately trying to make her Not Die.

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grandalt
Feb 26, 2013

I didn't fight through two wars to rule
I fought for the future of the world

And the right to have hot tea whenever I wanted
There is one more way to handle the mana beam, wait for the count to be three and them summon something to take the hit for the team.
So that's the Riku scene, I never saw it before. Interesting, I'm not sure if you were fully meant to see this.

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