|
blowfish posted:Trickle down grouseonomics. Does this mean soon a rich guy will give me a cute grouse to keep? E; instead of history have a grouse - FairyNuff fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jan 1, 2016 |
# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:36 |
|
|
# ? Jun 5, 2024 03:17 |
|
Darth Walrus posted:Why is neo-liberalism good, iyo? It just is
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:42 |
|
AceClown posted:See Eddie Izzard for man in a dress. I hate crumpets
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:43 |
|
Geokinesis posted:E; instead of history have a grouse - Except for page 15. Page 15 is a picture of a pig.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:46 |
|
forkboy84 posted:We're British, oval office isn't a gendered insult here. if I want to call someone a cock or a prick I want to be able to do that damnit
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:56 |
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veGIl8jRvyU
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:58 |
|
toot toot: Jeremy Corbyn 31 mins · Tomorrow, rail fares are set to rise by an average of 1.1%. Labour's shadow transport secretary, Lilian Greenwood explains that, “Passengers have faced truly staggering fare rises of up to £2,000 since 2010. In some cases, commuters are paying nearly forty per cent more as a direct consequence of decisions made by Ministers." It's a scandal that fares are being increased every year to subsidise the profits of private companies and other countries' railway systems. The Labour Party is now committed to a publicly owned railway as the best way to secure a fair deal for rail passengers and taxpayers, and long term investment for a modern railway system.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:09 |
|
The history snipes worked a lot better before the age of monthly threads when page numbers went up to around 1000-2000. I'd say that means we should stop but carrying on doing things out of tradition long after the tradition makes much sense at all is an integral part of British culture.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:10 |
|
Can they still advertise embalming fluid on television? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYPGyhOzdsI
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:16 |
|
Angepain posted:The history snipes worked a lot better before the age of monthly threads when page numbers went up to around 1000-2000. That's a grouse, not a snipe.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:16 |
|
Dabir posted:That's a grouse, not a snipe.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:28 |
|
Happy new year. I drank too much. quote:Smiley optimism was once their calling card, but the one-time disciples of New Labour must be looking into the new year with deep dread: 2015 was bad; 2016 could be worse. But what to do, beyond moaning?
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:42 |
|
So how about that new propaganda movie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AsOdX7NcJs Saw this trailer at the pictures last night. Still can't decide if it's supposed to make me pro- or anti-west. PS star wars is surprisingly good
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:44 |
|
Renaissance Robot posted:So how about that new propaganda movie?
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:48 |
|
Gonzo McFee posted:Happy new year. Hunt's words about replacing Council Tax showed that they are at least finally doing some self-reflection, in between shouting random insults at Jeremy Corbyn, Momentum, & new Labour members who voted for JC. Which is good. I am not on the Labour right but generally feel like Labour will be better off as a whole when the right of the party is actually self-confident enough to say something positive instead of just solely moaning that the Labour left are destroying the unity of the party by not pushing right wing policies. Renaissance Robot posted:So how about that new propaganda movie? Gerard Butler is a traitor to his country. He should be protecting Nicola Sturgeon & Angus Robertson, not the Yankee Imperialist Pigdog. (That movie looks really bad & dumb)
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:00 |
|
Jose posted:no poll in the op smh There was meant to be a poll? That movie looks so amazingly dumb it could easily loop around into being great.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:02 |
|
Renaissance Robot posted:So how about that new propaganda movie? Why does every goddamn trailer have the Inception BWAAAAAAHs in it these days?
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:09 |
|
thespaceinvader posted:Why does every goddamn trailer have the Inception BWAAAAAAHs in it these days? ~edgy~ also why does every trailer have the entire movie plot in it already
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:17 |
|
The first one was entertaining for the North Korean well synchronised attack on the White House. But after than just a bad rehash of die hard. This one just looks all poo poo.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:18 |
|
It would be good if the plot twist was that the terrists in question were the IRA and they were using all that money the Yanks funnelled to them in the 80s and 90s.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:23 |
|
thespaceinvader posted:Why does every goddamn trailer have the Inception BWAAAAAAHs in it these days? Earns double poo poo points for having that "epic slowdown" effect in it too
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:23 |
|
Happy New Year. Cabinet posted:David Cameron hosed A Dead Pig This would make a good 13th point for the OP.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:25 |
|
Cerv posted:The first one was entertaining for the North Korean well synchronised attack on the White House. But after than just a bad rehash of die hard. This one just looks all poo poo.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:36 |
|
Darth Walrus posted:There are some trains that are less than awesome. Particularly when someone's two-year-old has repeatedly vomited all over the carriage. In this case it is not the train that is at fault, it is the two-year-old
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 18:34 |
|
forkboy84 posted:Harris is very right. He's definitely not on the left of the Labour Party, but he's right that the "moderates" are not actually moderate & have been pushing Labour further & further to the right since the death of John Smith. He's also right that the main reason the Labour right lost the election in the summer so dramatically is because they had nothing to say. They apparently didn't reflect on the Brown loss in 2010 & put it down to him being grumpy & unpopular, & dismissed 2015 as Ed Miliband being some sort of communist who was also unpopular. Slowly they seem to be waking up to the idea that intellectually the Labour right is just out of ideas & has been for some time. Pretty much, for all the arguments about how fantastic New Labour and Blairism was, the best they go do is potter around and whine about how UNFAIR it is that they aren't being short-tracked into positions of power. Frankly while Blair and Mandelson were masters of spin I severely doubt Blair could have won 2010 or 2015. He's had time to forget how much we hated him in 2007. Heck I was working at ICM (the polling company) at the time and it was overwhelmingly people demanding he gently caress off ASAP and anyone else would be better. Three more years at the helm would have been the final nail in the coffin when the financial crisis struck. Especially with Brown out to get him. In lighter news, everyone's least favourite suspended-from-Labour MP has suffered another middle finger: Simon Danczuk's ex-wife threatens to change daughter's surname posted:Sonia Rossington reportedly texts suspended Labour MP to say he is bringing shame on his young children
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 18:34 |
|
Gonzo McFee posted:Happy new year. I like the casting of the Labour right as Jacobites, the comparison works on a number of levels.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 19:18 |
|
Labour's policy tanks still operate in a broadly neoliberal policy space - the antineoliberalism is limited to rhetoric. Even the flagship rail renationalization is, under the surface, the rather less exciting idea of running the lines as individual for-profit government-owned companies. The rhetoric invokes the vision of plowing the nebulous "profits" into reduced fares, into rail investment, into higher wages, and into the NHS all at the same time, but functionally the idea is GLCs, not Clause IV. That's not actually going to change; the magic of Corbyn is in tricking the forgetful British left into believing that New New Labour is Old Labour, whether or not the likes of John goddamn McDonnell pens lengthy promises to reduce the deficit (noting that if you accept that basic constraint, your remaining policy options are very limited). Corbyn operates in a world of the OBR and the MPC, not the NCB and NUM; the proposals he can draw upon are limited - stuff like the People's QE that he picked up from niche advisors quickly became liabilities. Conversely, all the Labour right has to do is hold the line amongst the more cognizant members (i.e., those who accept the arguments that tuition fees are more egalitarian, that collective-welfare-through-collective-agreements really deserve to be shown the door,, that Britain in NI and the Falklands has settled into status quos which it is now committed to maintaining, etc.). I don't disagree that New Labour has run out of ideas - I've said so myself. But the present judo makes a twisted sort of sense, if you accept that the none of the actors are really committed to innovating new ideas inasmuch as innovating new political covers for the same ideas.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 20:43 |
|
ronya posted:Labour's policy tanks still operate in a broadly neoliberal policy space - the antineoliberalism is limited to rhetoric. Even the flagship rail renationalization is, under the surface, the rather less exciting idea of running the lines as individual for-profit government-owned companies. The rhetoric invokes the vision of plowing the nebulous "profits" into reduced fares, into rail investment, into higher wages, and into the NHS all at the same time, but functionally the idea is GLCs, not Clause IV. e: are you a newspaper opinoun column writer? ive re-read it 4 times now, the best i can get is you think that somehow re-natiozing the railways is somehow bullshit. no idea whats going on in paragraph 2, ditto 3 Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jan 1, 2016 |
# ? Jan 1, 2016 20:52 |
|
Try reading it again? It's a well written and clear post.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 20:58 |
|
Pissflaps posted:Try reading it again? It's a well written and clear post.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:01 |
|
ronya posted:Conversely, all the Labour right has to do is hold the line amongst the more cognizant members
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:04 |
|
Alright:quote:People's QE that he picked up from niche advisors quickly became liabilities e: and he didnt pick it up from niche advisors he is just a loving socialist who wants to get back away from neo-librablism like everyone has agreed is sensible Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jan 1, 2016 |
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:06 |
|
ronya posted:Labour's policy tanks still operate in a broadly neoliberal policy space - the antineoliberalism is limited to rhetoric. Even the flagship rail renationalization is, under the surface, the rather less exciting idea of running the lines as individual for-profit government-owned companies. The rhetoric invokes the vision of plowing the nebulous "profits" into reduced fares, into rail investment, into higher wages, and into the NHS all at the same time, but functionally the idea is GLCs, not Clause IV. We're not even 4 months in so it's hardly surprising that the policy pronouncements thus far are largely within the current frameworks. You can't just offer a magic wand vision without an idea of how you can evolve from the current institutions to new ones. Tuition fees are not more egalitarian. The post 2012 regime imposes RPI+3 rates on debts that will surpass £40k for many ordinary students. This means that anyone who enters public sector work like teaching essentially has no hope of paying off their debts in the 30 year time limit and instead in effect pay a 9% additional tax. The only people who benefit are the very low paid (and only if you assume the 40k+ debt is legitimate in the first place) and the very high paid (who will accrue much less interest and therefore pay less back than middle income earners). It's a loving catastrophe that would never have happened if education was seen as a common good to be paid out of general taxation. And that's without even getting into the way tuition fees can distort the choices young people make in terms of what they study. The only people I know that talk about NI and the Falklands are angry "moderates" who hate the positions Corbyn took on them in the 80s. The rest of us aren't actually trying to relive the 80s, despite the best efforts of the anti-Corbyn lobby. NI in particular irritates me (no I don't particularly think Corbyn took the right line on NI) since every single loving side whether it be the the governments, IRA, loyalist paramilitaries, or the British Army has civilian blood on their hands because the whole situation was a total cluster gently caress and there's just a lot of innocent victims so anyone getting on their high horse about Corbyn sympathising with "the other side" is a hypocrite. Anyway, it's far too early to proclaim that Corbyn's Labour isn't going to come up with a new vision for the modern left. Edit: Sorry it was RIP+3 not RPI+2. Students are actually paying higher interest rates than I do on my mortgage. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jan 1, 2016 |
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:11 |
|
quote:Mr Cameron said some people choose to "shout into megaphones, wave banners and sign petitions". He added: "But we're the ones who are able to make the arguments and take the difficult decisions in order to defeat these social scourges and deliver real security. So while others are on protest marches, we remain on the long walk to a greater Britain." Sounds like a follow up speech to this one.
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:31 |
|
Without wading into the battle itself, I want to mainly point out that the rigors that created New Labour also filled Labour with a lot of the sort of pro-means-testing person who would rationalize that higher ed is overwhelmingly consumed by the upper-middle class, and hence, spending out of the general fund on it is highly suspect. The flaw in this argument is obvious - you probably shouldn't be completely indifferent to inequality between the 0.1% and upper-middle class. Nonetheless my point is not about what we should believe but about how the assorted factions in Labour are going to interact. ronya fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jan 1, 2016 |
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:32 |
|
Fans posted:Sounds like a follow up speech to this one. please tell me that is an actual published comic where someone's taken David Cameron's words and put them into the mouths of the evil guys
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:42 |
|
ronya posted:higher ed is overwhelmingly consumed by the upper-middle class Upper middle class makes up 35% of the population now?
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:52 |
|
From what I can gather the basic gist is that Corbyn, despite having principles that stand firmly against New Labour, something he's spent his entire political career fighting, and him being in a position of power, he doesn't really hold those beliefs and is actually just the same strand of Neo-liberalism that's got a new beardy face. I think? It's a bold new take on the idea that the new boss is the same as the old boss, but one I don't think is particularly grounded in reality. Angepain posted:please tell me that is an actual published comic where someone's taken David Cameron's words and put them into the mouths of the evil guys It's an actual panel from Captain Britain and the Mighty Defenders, so yes someone has. Nice little nod to Judge Dredd there, too. Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jan 1, 2016 |
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:53 |
|
Angepain posted:please tell me that is an actual published comic where someone's taken David Cameron's words and put them into the mouths of the evil guys It is an actual published comic from Marvel, last Augusts "Captain Britain And The Defenders".
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:57 |
|
|
# ? Jun 5, 2024 03:17 |
|
Wait, I thought the comic came before he said that?
|
# ? Jan 1, 2016 22:40 |