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bullshit. my flavor is "Stuck In A Budget Meeting", not boring.
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that does sound boring it also sounds like something you just made up
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Dec 31, 2016 15:43
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I dream of budget meetings every single night
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Dec 31, 2016 15:43
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what's your favorite budgeting software?
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Dec 31, 2016 15:43
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this is a stickup posted:what's your favorite budgeting software? you need a budget
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Dec 31, 2016 15:45
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budget some more votes my way and turbo me before 2017, imo
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Why is the white noise machine in setup 4, where there is no cult? Does that mean that this is a semi-bastard setup where we're not actually playing one of the four setups in the OP?
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Dec 31, 2016 15:49
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Why is the white noise machine in setup 4, where there is no cult? Does that mean that this is a semi-bastard setup where we're not actually playing one of the four setups in the OP? yeah I saw that too. my conclusion was it must be to add a layer of uncertainty so it may be harder to tell if there is a cult or not. that role would be in the place of a vt anyway.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Why is the white noise machine in setup 4, where there is no cult? Does that mean that this is a semi-bastard setup where we're not actually playing one of the four setups in the OP? Role fishing already, right off the back of an already scummy first post? Woooooooooooooow I'd hate to be your scumbro. 2 posts and you already hosed your team over  ##vote Tobbs
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Dec 31, 2016 15:53
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I'm pretty tanked so I have a magic power called "seeing through the veil of horseshit" It's pretty sweet Everyone gets super powers in 2017
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Dec 31, 2016 15:55
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Infinitum posted:I'm pretty tanked so I have a magic power called "seeing through the veil of horseshit" Can't wait to get off work tonight and become plastered.
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Dec 31, 2016 15:57
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this is a stickup posted:yeah I saw that too. my conclusion was it must be to add a layer of uncertainty so it may be harder to tell if there is a cult or not. that role would be in the place of a vt anyway. My first assumption is that it's a simple mistake (the doctor in 3 should be a WNM, and the WNM in 4 should be a doc). We (town) are at a disadvantage because scum knows a lot more about the setup due to their team size/composition. However, since the number of VTs are limited, can help reveal the setup, and could catch scum in a lie, here goes. I am a vanilla townie  (that's 1)
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Dec 31, 2016 16:01
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:However, since the number of VTs are limited, can help reveal the setup, and could catch scum in a lie, here goes. 
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i'm willing to believe tobbs is dumb not scum but he's not doing a great job of vindicating those beliefs
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:However, since the number of VTs are limited, can help reveal the setup, and could catch scum in a lie, here goes. yes let's reveal all the townies so scum know who the power roles are. I'll be right back after a dozen posts of everyone claiming VT. ##vote Tobbs
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I have very little to add to this discussion about if Tobbs is scum, but his idea is a bad one.
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Morning, goons! There was a deer pooping in my backyard when I woke up this morning, it's going to be a good day.this is a stickup posted:not gonna lie, I would be okay with this Why would you be ok with this? Don't you want to play in the game you signed up for? Tobbs Gnawed posted:We (town) are at a disadvantage because scum knows a lot more about the setup due to their team size/composition. The first sentence is a fallacy; with the exception of possibly Scum B, no one would know which sentence we're in the start the game because there are overlaps (Scum B have a 50% chance to know due to unique team comp in scenario 1 and 4). However, scum have a chance to learn which scenario we're in earlier by promoting claims. The second sentence promotes claims. To learn the scenario, all scum needs to know is the number of VTs since there is a unique combination of scum roles and number of VTs. Oh, look, a request for VT claims! ##vote Tobbs
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I hosted an open setup game. Town quickly picked off most of the scum simply by claiming their roles, because scum didn't want to get caught lying. I'm not suggesting that, but remember there's a 50% chance of there being 2 scum teams with 2 players each, so the argument that I'm "outing town power roles" is dumb. If we have only 2 or three VT's, and the other ones decided to claim, it would also be more likely that scum would hit each other. If we have 4 we're in a cult game and VT's are perfect recruitment targets that you should keep an eye on. Lynch me if you want, but there's more upside than downside to me claiming my role, which is why I did it.
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Byers2142 posted:Why would you be ok with this? Don't you want to play in the game you signed up for? of course, but I would have been very entertained if that actually happened, and the chance is so slim I'm fine with posting about it all of this about tobbs makes sense, but I absolutely could see tobbs honestly believing this is a good idea
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I remember reading an old game where Mills determined who all the scum were on Day 1 via a massclaim in an open setup. That being said, I helped look over this setup and I THINK it's at least mildly resistant to early massclaims - claiming too early can lead to bad stuff like cults spiraling out of control.
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Dec 31, 2016 16:46
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I dunno, I feel like I've never actually seen Tobbs lie in a Mafia game before (or be scum) and claiming VT is exactly what I'd expect him to do if he were VT. ##vote KB for lurking Also hi Byers! Long time no see!
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Dec 31, 2016 16:46
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Absurd Revolver posted:one last ride of 2016 Absurd Revolver posted:nice try ##vote AR This is a scum fake case. The OP explicitly says flavor is meaningless.
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Dec 31, 2016 16:48
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Also yeah this is town Tobbs. Inf looks bad/dumb for jumping on him, as do bird/byers - but I don't think they've played with him before, so they don't know better. Inf, on the other hand, is hiding behind 'lol i drunk' as an excuse for a bad push.
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Dec 31, 2016 16:49
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Dear FL: Please add the Votefinder image to the OP. Thanks!
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Lol at this point I'm the only claimed VT. I for one would like to know if we're playing a cult game or not. Two of the setups don't have cops, so the cult setup with no WNM is probably legitimate. With doctors/jailors in the game the lack of two NKs wouldn't exactly be definitive, unless you want to wait a couple nights and see if there are two kills eventually?
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Lol at this point I'm the only claimed VT. I for one would like to know if we're playing a cult game or not. Two of the setups don't have cops, so the cult setup with no WNM is probably legitimate. I kind of feel like you're jumping the gun on trying to figure out the setup on d1 but I appreciate the effort.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I hosted an open setup game. Town quickly picked off most of the scum simply by claiming their roles, because scum didn't want to get caught lying. It's not dumb, you're suggesting an option that outs town power roles; even in the most advantageous scenario (scenario 1), claiming all VT and assuming scum don't lie (which is a whopper of an assumption, but let's roll with it) leads to six non-VT exposed. Four of those are town, one of those being the Doctor which in that setup would be the scum's number 1 target. So suddenly the danger for each power role goes from 1/11 to 1/6. If I'm scum, I want that to happen. Add to that the idea that cult would target VTs, which is simply not true. Cult wants to recruit power roles, it helps the cult. If you want an example of why this is a bad idea, check out the game I played (as scum) in Engineers versus... something. Executives? Assholes? Anyway, as scum we got near perfect game knowledge by the end of D1 then lied our way to a perfect scum victory in three more days. If you give the scum knowledge, all it takes is talented liars (a skill Mafia trains you in) to twist everything to your favor as scum. Podima posted:I remember reading an old game where Mills determined who all the scum were on Day 1 via a massclaim in an open setup. That being said, I helped look over this setup and I THINK it's at least mildly resistant to early massclaims - claiming too early can lead to bad stuff like cults spiraling out of control. Mills is a special person, with flashes of brilliance backed by the usually goon insanities and a few that are his own special brand. Plus, if it's the game I'm remembering, the setup was done in such a way that the only role that was absolutely required to know he was right was the role Mills, himself, had. Murmur Twin posted:I dunno, I feel like I've never actually seen Tobbs lie in a Mafia game before (or be scum) and claiming VT is exactly what I'd expect him to do if he were VT. Hi, Murmur! How've you been? I can't remember ever playing with Tobbs, you sure on the read that he'd do this as town? Podima posted:##vote AR This is a scum fake case. The OP explicitly says flavor is meaningless. I read that as jokephase white noise, myself. Podima posted:Also yeah this is town Tobbs. Inf looks bad/dumb for jumping on him, as do bird/byers - but I don't think they've played with him before, so they don't know better. Inf, on the other hand, is hiding behind 'lol i drunk' as an excuse for a bad push. ##unvote Ok, Murmur and Podima both say Tobbs would do this as VT. That does raise a few posts to the level of suspicious, though, back in a few. Also, hi Podima!
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Don't power roles lose their power when they become cult?
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Podima posted:Dear FL: Please add the Votefinder image to the OP. Thanks! This has been added. Thanks for unearthing another bug in Votefinder as well!
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tobbs acting scummy as town doesn't seem unusual to me. same for ar. i can kind of see tobbs point, don't agree now is a good time though.
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Ok, let's start from a position that Tobbs is telling the truth. There are two ways scum would react; either push to lynch him for a dumb but heartfelt town plan or hedge their bets and post waffling opinions to let it play out. If I'm scum, I'd lean to option two, see if anyone else is going to claim first. Podima made the list of people who jumped on Tobbs, but for the second group we have the wafflers:Absurd Revolver posted:i'm willing to believe tobbs is dumb not scum but he's not doing a great job of vindicating those beliefs Li Dawny posted:I have very little to add to this discussion about if Tobbs is scum, but his idea is a bad one. this is a stickup posted:of course, but I would have been very entertained if that actually happened, and the chance is so slim I'm fine with posting about it If Tobbs is town, at least one of these three players is going to flip scum. My first choice would be stickup out of the three; he (stickup, let me know if it's she, and sorry for the gender confusion if it is) took the path of nonresistance to an early suggestion of a turbo, which is actually a great way to defuse a turbo. And when I questioned him on it, his response shows he thought about the chances ("the chance is so slim") as part of it. A seemingly throw-away post with some hidden consideration behind it, combined with being a waffler, makes stickup a prime scum candidate.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Don't power roles lose their power when they become cult? No, not usually. That's why cults are dangerous in a fullclaim situation.
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Byers2142 posted:I read that [Absurd Revolver's push/vote] as jokephase white noise, myself. The fact that he referenced his PM and pushed it in 2 separate posts elevates it beyond jokephase white noise to me, IMO. Also hi Byers! I can't remember if we've ever played together but it's nice to have you back!
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Absurd Revolver posted:one last ride of 2016 Can you extrapolate a bit on how stickups post gave you a scum read?
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Podima posted:No, not usually. That's why cults are dangerous in a fullclaim situation. Oh huh I have to retract this, mafiascum wiki says that people who are recruited lose their previous role identities. The SA Mafia wiki says that it could go either way. Still, I'd prefer to assume a worst-case scenario - I've been recruited into a cult as a power role before.
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Podima posted:The fact that he referenced his PM and pushed it in 2 separate posts elevates it beyond jokephase white noise to me, IMO. That's a fair read. And we have, I think you even killed me one time!
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Podima posted:Oh huh I have to retract this, mafiascum wiki says that people who are recruited lose their previous role identities. The SA Mafia wiki says that it could go either way. Still, I'd prefer to assume a worst-case scenario - I've been recruited into a cult as a power role before. I've seen it both ways, but always assume the worst until we learn different.
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Byers2142 posted:Ok, let's start from a position that Tobbs is telling the truth. There are two ways scum would react; either push to lynch him for a dumb but heartfelt town plan or hedge their bets and post waffling opinions to let it play out. If I'm scum, I'd lean to option two, see if anyone else is going to claim first. Podima made the list of people who jumped on Tobbs, but for the second group we have the wafflers: i don't think i agree with you on ar and lil dawney at this stage - little dawney esp. said the idea was a bad one which doesn't fit your read of scum hedging and hoping others claim. it would be more advantageous to say nothing i think. the stickup case is a little more convincing. however the 'one of these three are scum' call is suss to me generally, can easily be used by scum - for example, you could be scum with ar, throwing his name into the ring for cover/bus cred, and both gunning for stickup. obviously this is early game yet. i will be interested to see what kash and kb say.. hello also : )
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Byers2142 posted:I read that as jokephase white noise, myself. quote:Ok, Murmur and Podima both say Tobbs would do this as VT. That does raise a few posts to the level of suspicious, though, back in a few. Also, hi Podima! Byers2142 posted:Ok, let's start from a position that Tobbs is telling the truth. There are two ways scum would react; either push to lynch him for a dumb but heartfelt town plan or hedge their bets and post waffling opinions to let it play out. so here is my question, what exactly have I waffled on? your points were well laid out and logical, but that's not what I'm reading out of tobbs, who thinks up things like this as a town player. I'm not giving you my vague non-opinion or saying I have nothing to add; I acknowledged your points but disagree that tobbs seems like scum based on them I'm more wary of you right now than tobbs. that clear enough? one of these three players will flip scum, in other words, when you lynch me and I flip town, you can come out and say 'Oh, must've been one of the other two!', then proceed right on pushing the chain lynches you've set up. quote:My first choice would be stickup out of the three; he (stickup, let me know if it's she, and sorry for the gender confusion if it is) took the path of nonresistance to an early suggestion of a turbo, which is actually a great way to defuse a turbo. And when I questioned him on it, his response shows he thought about the chances ("the chance is so slim") as part of it. A seemingly throw-away post with some hidden consideration behind it, combined with being a waffler, makes stickup a prime scum candidate. I think you're over thinking this. no one was legit going to turbo me within hours of game start. AR's posts are pinging me so hard because he seemed to be serious about it, while Inf and omg didn't have a real case or reason to turbo me. I admittedly over consider everything, but there really wasn't anything to even consider here. it's not like someone posted that they tracked me to a dead player and I was actually about to be turbo'd. but it would've been funny 
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Murmur Twin posted:Can you extrapolate a bit on how stickups post gave you a scum read? not without revealing role information that would be disadvantageous to town
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