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mystes posted:Isn't the apache foundation where you're supposed to send software to die? that's where netbeans is going, yes
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Skim Milk posted:dynamically-typed lang bros are welcome too javascript is good
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Java is a good language but every jvm sucks rear end and every program written in Java is worse
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Bloody posted:Java is a good language but every jvm sucks rear end and every program written in Java is worse this post is so completely divorced from reality that i have to wonder if you are some sort of markov bot
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perl5 for life. Holding poo poo together with unit tests ervryday.
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carry on then posted:this post is so completely divorced from reality that i have to wonder if you are some sort of markov bot we're all bots down here
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Skim Milk posted:we're all bots down here DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS NORMAL TO BE ALL BOTS DOWN HERE
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ibm opensourced their j9 jvm though the opensource version is still really rough around the edges so it can't run things like intellij IDEA (v important)
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Condiv posted:ibm opensourced their j9 jvm the proest jvm for intelliJ remains openJDK with proper infinality font rendering compiled in
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Condiv posted:ibm opensourced their j9 jvm iirc the core is actually the java 9 vm even for java 8, not even websphere is fully tested with that yet
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carry on then posted:iirc the core is actually the java 9 vm even for java 8, not even websphere is fully tested with that yet yeah I've been testing it and benching it recently and it seems p interesting. its jit seems more powerful than openjdk's, considering I'm getting like 2x speedup on some jmh microbenches I wrote apparently it's got jit-caching too, eliminating warmup. haven't seen it yet tho, might require special config. oh and apparently it can use the gpu for something? still learning its knobs
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https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/909832047765663746
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I just remembered about project looking glass
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carry on then posted:iirc the core is actually the java 9 vm even for java 8, not even websphere is fully tested with that yet ibm's jvm implementation has always been called j9 it has nothing to do with java 9
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this is a work of art
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:ibm's jvm implementation has always been called j9 lmao i meant exactly what i said the core of the ibm jre is using the jvm that supports java se 9, even if you are downloading the one that claims to be for java se 8, as of openj9 sr5. this is a move to standardize on one core to make support easier, since websphere nd still only runs on java 8
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carry on then posted:lmao fair enough, i guess openjdk did this with java 6 support -- they took the java source 7 tree and tried to "backport" to java 6
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openj9 is becoming more stable and I'm using it for my system java. it's p nice and consumes less memory than openjdk for a webserver I'm developing (about 0.6x the ram use reported by the os) while having near the same performance still some bugs though. found a nasty bug in their jitc yesterday that was hanging an app of mine
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C# is better
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Condiv posted:openj9 is becoming more stable and I'm using it for my system java. it's p nice and consumes less memory than openjdk for a webserver I'm developing (about 0.6x the ram use reported by the os) while having near the same performance openj9 is still openjdk
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bobbilljim posted:C# is better yes, c# is a better language. unfortunately language quality is a secondary issue, because c# ties you to a terribly impoverished platform using java, in preference to c#, is the price you pay for a multivendor ecosystem with a wide and thriving set of open source projects
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c# is better. too bad windows sucks so much.
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windows is the best and the only thing c# is really missing is maven
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also visual studio. is it slow with medium to large size solutions, or what?
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Shaggar posted:windows is the best and the only thing c# is really missing is maven c# is missing maven for the same reason it is missing every useful open source library
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bobbilljim posted:C# is better piss is better than poo poo
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OldAlias posted:piss is better than poo poo piss is sterile
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:c# is missing maven for the same reason it is missing every useful open source library other than maven whats missing?
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Shaggar posted:other than maven whats missing? it is much easier to enumerate what is actually present. in c#-land, all you have is what microsoft provides: razor and wpf. on the java side you get a ton of poo poo that is just absent from the c# land. this isn't even close to an exhaustive list. it's just what i thought of off the top of my head
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most of those are bad or deprecated and aside from maybe jconsole(which is 1st party) have better options in .net
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Shaggar posted:most of those are bad or deprecated and aside from maybe jconsole(which is 1st party) have better options in .net please name them (the better options) and shame them (the deprecated and bad)
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.net is such a sad ecosystem i can just shout out random poo poo i've used in the past week and that poo poo is absent on the c# side
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javafx, dropwizard, and spark are all worse than the native .net equivalents (wpf/uwp and asp.net) spring is deprecated the rest is either hobbyist stuff like Arduino or irc libs or garbage like android or apacheds. like serious lmao if you're still clinging to 3rd party garbage directory services in 2017. AD is so much better than all of them. I'm guessing their are irc libs for .net, but idk for sure cause irc hasn't been relevant for over a decade. maybe you should also list a mailing list framework, lol. h2s not bad tho. I'm not sure if theres an exact equivalent in .net tho cause ive never had a use case for all of it. Either I want something embedded in which case SQL Server embedded or I want something multiuser in which case sql server (express, azure, or enterprise by requirements).
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:.net is such a sad ecosystem i can just shout out random poo poo i've used in the past week and that poo poo is absent on the c# side maybe, but more than likely none of it is actually relevant.
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like you're claiming the ecosystem is bad because it doesn't have commons-logging or something.
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Shaggar posted:javafx, dropwizard, and spark are all worse than the native .net equivalents (wpf/uwp and asp.net) wpf is non-portable spark has no equivalent in .net, unless you think someone is out there using excel with "windows for grid computing" or whatever they are caling it this week asp.net is pretty good if we are talking about razor. but it effectively limits your deployment to windows, which means you can only work in windows shops, which is a self-defeating measure at best Shaggar posted:spring is deprecated spring alone is bigger than the entire .net std lib i assure you it is not deprecated Shaggar posted:the rest is either hobbyist stuff like Arduino or irc libs or garbage like android or apacheds. like serious lmao if you're still clinging to 3rd party garbage directory services in 2017. AD is so much better than all of them. active directory is far and away the worst directory service on the market. the only reason it is deployed anywhere is as a mirror of a real directory service for use by windows clients not that anyone is using apacheds for their main directory service. just it's handy in java for standing up toy directory services in test frameworks or small deployments. additionally it provides a set of wonderful cross-platform and cross-vendor client libraries so you can connect an eclipse-like development environment to any production environment from any vendor. naturally AD, ADAM, and visual studio make any of these use cases a loving nightmare, because microsoft. Shaggar posted:h2s not bad tho. I'm not sure if theres an exact equivalent in .net tho cause ive never had a use case for all of it. Either I want something embedded in which case SQL Server embedded or I want something multiuser in which case sql server (express, azure, or enterprise by requirements). microsoft did all the leg work to make an h2-like product possible, but as usual, their infighting and greed got in the way. it's impossible to stand up sql server reliably for tests, and no sql server-like product is meaningfully compatible. (sql server embedded isn't sql server, isn't derived from the same codebase, and isn't compatible on any level lol)
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Sometimes I'm like "you know, java is okay, maybe I even like it a little" then I use something like JAXB and its like "no sir I definitely do not like this!" Shaggar posted:spring is deprecated lol 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:spark has no equivalent in .net, unless you think someone is out there using excel with "windows for grid computing" or whatever they are caling it this week Visual Studio for Mac - Introduction to Razor Pages in ASP.NET Core Notorious b.s.d. posted:microsoft did all the leg work to make an h2-like product possible, but as usual, their infighting and greed got in the way. it's impossible to stand up sql server reliably for tests, and no sql server-like product is meaningfully compatible. Also, you guys are talking about SQL Server Compact Edition (not Embedded), and SQL Server Compact Edition is dead, so stop using it.
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