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Xaris posted:i also wish Excel didn't suck since theres no real competition, but it does, especially once you get to the presentation portion all their graphs look like amateur-hour garbage. i've started using Grapher 13 to actually plot things for reports since it looks professional and has a lot more functionality (multi-axes, better control over gridlines, sizing like 1"=100ft grids ), but the actual spreadsheeting is non-existant so i just copy the results from excel into it. i'm fine with that i guess excel is insanely bad and recent versions are somehow worse and less usable than like excel 97 was, but as you say there's no real competition R or the python ecosystem (numpy, scipy pandas, matplotlib & seaborn) are powerful and can make some great looking graphs, but yeah it's all command line stuff with a super steep learning curve for the average person who just wants to have nice looking figures without having to janitor a million packages and learn programming
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Nov 9, 2017 12:57
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autocad is fine as long as you do everything the wrong way. solidworks and inventor blow chunks. rhino is the best
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Nov 9, 2017 15:10
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which one reticulates splines the best
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Nov 9, 2017 16:17
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i love NURBS
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Nov 9, 2017 16:21
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:but what about ~Revit~??? Right now I have an XP sp2 virtual machine taking up a hardware key for some old poo poo home design software so things can still be printed. I will never be able to answer your question.
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Nov 9, 2017 16:37
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big scary monsters posted:excel is insanely bad and recent versions are somehow worse and less usable than like excel 97 was, but as you say there's no real competition
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Nov 9, 2017 17:09
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Captain Foo posted:which one reticulates splines the best Rhino + Grasshopper
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Nov 9, 2017 17:15
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Xaris posted:yep, i'd say 2003 was fine (still terrible plotting tho). but the new 2013+ side-panel stuff for changing line-colors/symbols with the pull-out right panel is so so bad. it takes like 10x longer, feels laggy as hell, and i can never find anything What about spss or minitab
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Nov 9, 2017 17:19
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Sagebrush posted:Rhino + Grasshopper Does either of those announce what it's doing in a sexy voice?
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Nov 9, 2017 17:23
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ASK me about embedded excel spreadsheets in autocad 
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Nov 9, 2017 18:18
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Schadenboner posted:Does either of those announce what it's doing in a sexy voice? there's probably a grasshopper component that'll do it, yea
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Nov 9, 2017 18:21
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So, can anyone tell me about how autocad does with embedded excel spreadsheets?
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Nov 9, 2017 18:21
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Schadenboner posted:So, can anyone tell me about how autocad does with embedded excel spreadsheets? it’s bad hth
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Nov 9, 2017 18:27
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autocad has autolisp which is a lisp and lisp is good therefore autocad is good i dunno, i had to take it in the early 1990s as part of my engineering school's math and computer science major, i was okay at it
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Nov 9, 2017 21:20
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i never actually touched autolisp though and i also had to take manual drafting
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Nov 9, 2017 21:21
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autocad was fine in the early 1990s when it was still relatively high tech and there wasn't anything better it's now 35 years old and quit being significantly upgraded about 15 years ago. there is much better software now available for any purpose for which you might have once used autocad the only reason anyone might still use it is if your shop still does everything in autocad and won't upgrade to a proper system in which case  before it's too late
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Nov 9, 2017 21:24
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Captain Foo posted:which one reticulates splines the best Sagebrush posted:Rhino + Grasshopper so anyway i just confirmed this, here are some parametric reticulated splines for you 
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Nov 9, 2017 22:29
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Sagebrush posted:so anyway i just confirmed this, here are some parametric reticulated splines for you There's no ocean, how are you going to build a seaport?
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Nov 9, 2017 22:32
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NX has the 'part family' function which lets you use an embedded Excel sheet to drive model parameters in a template part, and shotgun a billion minor variants of the same thing everywhere. It is exactly as robust as it sounds.
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Nov 9, 2017 23:09
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i used to have to use I-DEAS many years ago and that was ok once you got used to it but nobody ever used it outside our uni and you had to use these garbage solaris machines to run it that hosed up all the time. sketchup is literally the worst cad program i have ever used it is utter garbage edit: I guess I-DEAS is NX now? i last used it in 2006 when i thought i was going to go into a career doing Real poo poo instead of just touching computers
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Nov 9, 2017 23:47
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jammyozzy posted:NX has the 'part family' function which lets you use an embedded Excel sheet to drive model parameters in a template part, and shotgun a billion minor variants of the same thing everywhere. i distinctly remember using a function like this to add an offset clone of a part and instead it would create a clone of the object for every sub part at an offset and just blast poo poo all over the screen another time i typed the wrong command in the shell to start it up and bricked every machine in the lab somehow
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Nov 9, 2017 23:50
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There Will Be Penalty posted:i never actually touched autolisp though i wish i knew how to manually draft or hell even just sketch poo poo at a better than toddler level
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Sagebrush posted:autocad was fine in the early 1990s when it was still relatively high tech and there wasn't anything better What about for laying out 2D stuff like electrical control panels and wiring diagrams.
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Nov 10, 2017 02:31
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wide stance posted:What about for laying out 2D stuff like electrical control panels and wiring diagrams. Visio lmao Solidworks does the excel template driven dimension thing. It's great to watch as it literally loads up excel within the viewport. Ka-chunk, here's your excel interface. Ka-chunk, back to solidworks! For actual wiring and board layout and poo poo the EE nerds have their own bullshit software that is bloated like Altium, et al.
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Nov 10, 2017 03:47
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wide stance posted:What about for laying out 2D stuff like electrical control panels and wiring diagrams. laying out control panels and other 2D CAD: solidworks is still way better because of its incredible parametric associativity wiring diagrams: if it's a schematic, there are lots of kinds of schematic capture software that works better than autocad for that purpose. if it's a diagram for an instruction manual or whatever, illustrator general drafting: rhino has every tool autocad does but also 10,000 other features and it's cheaper too.
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Next question What even is a spline and why do I want to reticulate it / why does SimCity do it
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Sagebrush posted:AutoCAD -- possibly the single worst 3d modeling program in existence, use literally anything else it really really really is everything is laid out and works in the most nonintuitive way possible, and even basic settings are just hidden away behind multiple tabs and nested dialogue boxes i’m convinced that for over a decade now they’ve been captured by their vendors and especially the “teaching autocad” industry. it’s literally impossible to get their tech support on the phone - they shut that service down entirely around 2010 for all its faults microstation is extremely needs suiting in comparison. there’s a reason why all 50 state DOTDs still use it
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A spline is a parametric curve -- a vector line defined by a mathematical function and a series of constants. It's how smooth curves are represented in CAD programs. There are different kinds of math that can be used to define a spline, but the most common is NURBS, the non-uniform rational b-spline technique. The name comes from drafting, where a spline is a thin bendy piece of wood used to draw a smooth interpolated curve between points. Similar root as the word "splint." Something that is reticulated has geometry involving lots of cris-crossing lines, like the crosshair reticule of a rifle scope. Presumably, reticulating splines involves making a bunch of these vector lines into a mesh or grid. Simcity's terrain is indeed reticulated, but I don't believe it uses any true splines.
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Schadenboner posted:So, can anyone tell me about how autocad does with embedded excel spreadsheets? absolutely no good very bad and later versions will try to live update the embed
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Nov 10, 2017 05:50
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then again i use an arcane frankenscience plugin called autotable to embed excel into microstation to make it look all good and actually import everything as modifiable text in real fonts instead of a brick of nonsense
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so if I do mostly stuff like measuring.and editing contour maps, making it 2d soil cross-sections with like sandy/gravelly hatching (i.e. good preset hatchs) and for volumes, and drawing like other 2d stufff almost like illustrator, do you still recommend solidworks, or is that rhino software good
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eh in that case it's kind of a toss-up. i wouldn't recommend solidworks bc if you only do 2D you aren't using 99% of its capability. i love its associativity but i don't know if that's a real killer feature for landscape drafting stuff. it's mostly useful when you need something like "okay, this hole is positioned so that its edge is 12mm from that edge of the part, and that edge of the part is defined by the length of this other component, and the hole has to be equal in diameter to this other hole somewhere else but 8mm larger, and the number of holes depends on the length of this other piece, and all of this changes regularly." solidworks does that natively and it's great. but it doesn't make pretty drawings and it's lovely at arbitrary positioning of elements. illustrator is still the best if you want to make things pretty. best at colors and patterns. bad at accurate positioning. rhino is in between. more accurate than illustrator, suitable for freeform stuff, can sort of make things pretty, not associative. basically if you use autocad you should switch to rhino instantly but it can't replace illustrator. my dream 2d cad is illustrator but with a NURBS mode and rhino's editing toolset and solidworks' parametric functionality 
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fusion 360 update: lol this is a buggy piece of trash. i lofted between two sketches, disliked it, deleted the loft, and now my vieport is bugged. it won't show me my sketches and will only show a small fraction of the grid. lol who would use this tool
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Nov 10, 2017 06:34
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oh, no its just wildly intuitive and hid the sketches when i created a body from them but did not unhide the sketches when i deleted the body. excellent
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Nov 10, 2017 06:35
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i like that it draws construction planes as unit squares. suddenly theyre invisible if your model is large
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yeah i've never met anyone who could afford solidworks but uses f360 or inventor. i keep trying to like it but i always come back to the 'works f360's CAM is fantastic, ridiculously better than any other cheap or free option out there, but it's a weird spot bc in order to really take advantage of that function you're gonna need a 5-figure CNC mill so uhhhh
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false premise, there are no good cad programs. the best cad programs (a tie between solidworks and solid edge for the record) are still nigh irredeemable piles of poo poo.
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You mean kid pix?
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