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Ty. Which factions and policies do the two candidates represent? Were there elections for the legistlature as well as the presidency and how did those go/who are the major parties?
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mila kunis posted:Ty. Which factions and policies do the two candidates represent? Were there elections for the legistlature as well as the presidency and how did those go/who are the major parties? Prabowo represented just.. Nationalism, and being against foreign workers, I don't really know anything else specific about what he represented, just opposition to everything and vague promises to make things better. Widodo is in favour of building a lot of roads as part of improving infrastructure, and I guess just encouraging economic growth through doing whatever he has been doing. Both candidates talk a lot about being anti-corruption (corruption is still a big issue here) but Widodo has much better credentials in terms of actually being anti-corruption. Googling for information about policies just brings me back a lot of information about fuel and electricity subsidies (if petrol gets too expensive Indonesians have a habit of taking to the streets to protest that particular issue lol) This election was the first time elections for the legislature had been held at the same time as the presidential election. The party that backs Widodo, Partai Demokrasi Indonesia won the most seats with around 20%. Golkar, who I think supported Widodo in this election won 14% of seats and Prabowo's Gerindra party won 13,6% of the seats. The rest is a mish-mash of smaller parties. The winning candidate never has a "majority" or anything like that in parliament here, decisions are always made based on consensus which probably isn't great for getting things done in a quick manner especially because the vast majority of candidates rarely turn up to parliament and when they do they spend most of the time sleeping anyway. Parliament here is by far the least trusted, and least respected government institution that there is. There's also a 4% threshold so new parties that want to try and make parliament better face an uphill battle because they need 4% of the vote to even be able to get in, a new youth focused party, Partai Solidaritas Indonesia, one of their candidates received the largest number of votes in her area, and another candidate received the second most votes in her area and neither of them get a seat because the party didn't reach that 4% nationwide.
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What's the left like in Indonesia? I know it was smashed back in the day when the US backed military butchered like a million people and banned socialist parties; has it ever recovered?
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https://twitter.com/RobbieGramer/status/1136329169133023232 Man what a disappointment this has all turned out to be
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Badger of Basra posted:https://twitter.com/RobbieGramer/status/1136329169133023232 That's ok though, the west is busy astroturfing the sequel to Aung right now.
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The government is in disarray, barely formed and already coming apart here and there. That followed a staged election. Thailand is not cashing in at all on the trade war. Tourism numbers are down among all major arrival groups. The ag sector isn't booming, just maintaining. Rubber prices are going up. The nascent military faction has basically said it's ready to take over from the junta that just staged the election if they don't get their poo poo together. There's a huge household debt bubble. Etc, etc, etc. Oh and of course Thailand's Baht is currently like trending to be the strongest currency in the world: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-03/-worried-thai-central-bank-looking-at-steps-to-damp-baht-surge I swear to God, I will never, as long as I live here, understand the Baht. It's the most bizarre loving currency imaginable - and, yes. I understand there are more factors at play than just the long-term prospects of the Thai economy, but FFS.
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mila kunis posted:What's the left like in Indonesia? I know it was smashed back in the day when the US backed military butchered like a million people and banned socialist parties; has it ever recovered? tbh the US role tends to be overemphasized by Westerners. countries of 60 million people have agency... the fact that both sides already butchered each other once during the Madiun revolt was what underpinned the mutual paramilitarisation - it was what both sides waved as a bloody shirt at each other even whilst nominally in government together. Sukarno could only keep a lid on things for as long as growth endured. When it faltered due to Confrontation, Sino-Soviet split (and then Indonesia picking the Chinese side, and then the Chinese side not being willing to follow up on its comradely rhetoric due to domestic distractions of the Cultural Revolution...), the disappearance of any further unifying "quick wins" after the successful extraction of Netherlands New Guinea (with American public support, mind you), etc., the house of cards collapsed. Object lesson is in not letting direct action campaigns and revolutionary home burnings/public beatings/killings/torture/etc. write cheques your paramilitary muscle can't actually cash. Even the Soviet reaction to the butchery was to blame the crushed PKI for buying into CCP promises the Indonesian national movement was never nonviolent, its symbol is the bamboo spear for a reason. You stab people with it, and they die agonizing deaths. What was unprecedented in the Transition was the sheer scale, but stewing in two decades of paramilitarisation will do that what has really crushed the left in contemporary Indonesia: well there was the Transition, which wasn't nothing. But even in countries where the left survived, even formed governments in good standing in the Socialist International or on the Soviet side of the Cold War, they still didn't survive the tide of Islamic revivalism appropriating much of their landless/urban peasant base. Indonesia wasn't spared this phenomenon either. The narrative of a elite discredited due to its immorality and impiety has displaced the narrative of capital and imperialism for a long time now... Jokowi is already about as left-leaning as can be realistically expected in a mainstream politician (in the sense of appealing to civil rights groups as the left-wing issue par excellence), and being further left just means doubling down on civil rights issues and why should this be unexpected? Actual communist parties exist and win some seats in e.g. Bangladesh, that other massively overpopulated Muslim country in SEA, but nobody mistakes that for relevance.
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ronya posted:tbh the US role tends to be overemphasized by Westerners. Yeah, you don't want to ignore the interference of foreign powers - not just the United States, but everyone who has a political interest. At the same time, constantly talking like these countries are just chess boards with pawns being moved around by the rest of the world is ridiculous. It's a game of influence, but the influence is on the extant actors. It's not the musket wars anymore. Many, many, many of these countries are advanced civilizations with their own developed internal political cultures and systems of government and systems of law and order and so on. Talking about them like ignorant savages subject only to the will of the great powers is not only ignorant and inaccurate, it's also incredibly insulting.
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ReindeerF posted:This cannot be said enough times. if anything Sri Lanka (for example) has taken a lesson from Yugoslavia and is courting everyone, insinuating everything, and promising little. although China wound up making some offers that were too delicious for Rajapaksa to refuse so they're coming out WELL ahead on the things they care about I need to check on whether that satellite control facility is going ahead. That was one of the genuinely mutually beneficial China deals, provided SL doesn't get nuked over it in WW3.
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mila kunis posted:What's the left like in Indonesia? I know it was smashed back in the day when the US backed military butchered like a million people and banned socialist parties; has it ever recovered? Well I don't much about parties but through the grapevine recently I've noticed a lot of demonstrations and news stories about Indonesia's Anarchists popping up. https://www.amwenglish.com/articles/indonesia-repression-and-resistance/ https://itsgoingdown.org/inside-the-growing-indonesian-anarchist-movement/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ooEHy_3psg There's been a small Anarchist and Syndicalist current for some years but its been relatively isolated until the past few years. https://libcom.org/library/anarchism-indonesia
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I think maybe the Wahid Institute did a survey and the three most disliked groups in Indonesia were gay people, jewish people and communists so being progressive or anything remotely left is very hard. Like, an actual election time attack on Partai Solidaritas Indonesia was to put up fake election banners for them saying they supported the rights of LGBT people. I've worked in two NGO's in Indonesia now so I've met super progressive people but they face a pretty uphill battle in everything they do, and any change is achieved incredibly slowly. Also random unrelated anecdote - the other week I was having a cigarette at a mall in Jakarta, and an older guy sat down next to me and started talking to me about the election. He was apparently a guy that has spent a lot of time living in London, but now he's old (70ish) and can't get any work. He was also a Prabowo supporter, thought Jokowi was stupid (evidence given was nobody would shake his hand at the G20? and he can't speak English well) and he thought that there would be a bomb or a war. It was probably the first time I've met someone that seemed like their brain has just been ruined by hoaxes spreading through WhatsApp.
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Over the past couple of days things have been happening in Western Papua, a territory occupied by the Indonesian military and exploited heavily by resource extraction companies. Tensions have been high for many years with the pro independence movement and local population in general experiencing routine repression including torture and murder. Its not hard to find photos of grinning soldiers standing over mutilated bodies. Here's a quick primer on the situation https://newnaratif.com/journalism/explainer-whats-going-on-in-west-papua/ Recently the independence movement has managed to grow and seems to be pushing back against the Indonesian military, with some calling it the start of an uprising https://twitter.com/VeronicaKoman/status/1164513969068859393?s=20 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-49434277 quote:The area's largest protests in years saw numerous buildings torched - including a jail and a market - and resulted in the Indonesian government deploying thousands of additional security officers to an area which is already the country's most heavily militarised.
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West Papua is such a weird issue. From the outside it's such an obvious case of taking over territory purely for resource extraction (and you would think for a country that suffered heavily under colonialism, more people would have sympathy with this) but then I talk to young, seemingly progressive people about it and they will say things like "but if Indonesia doesn't control West Papua someone else like China, America or Australia might come in and take over" (this was literally said to me by one of my Indonesian teachers) Also in other Indonesia news: President Jokowi officially announced where the new capital is going to be - East Kalimantan. Apparently 95% of Jakartans disagree with the move - https://coconuts.co/jakarta/news/survey-says-an-overwhelming-95-7-of-jakartans-disagree-with-moving-the-capital-to-a-new-location/ And then one day after the location was officially announced, property developers were already putting ads in newspapers for big new luxurious housing settlements. https://twitter.com/tigorhutapea/status/1166179020662132736 Overall moving the capital is probably needed. My concern is that they will build everything, get everything ready to move and then when Jokowis term is up in 2024, the new President decides they don't really like the idea and instead it just ends up being a big empty city with nobody in it. The talk of needing to move 1 million civil servants over to the new capital also seems like a big challenge, considering they have houses, family, access to the best schools in Jakarta, etc. I guess it's all going to depend on how they actually build the city, whether or not it has good infrastructure etc. Another issue is going to be for local NGO's and big companies. A lot of stuff in Indonesia still needs to be handled face to face. The NGO I volunteer at gets invited to events from a whole bunch of government departments all the time, and it often ends up being finding the one staff member that is free to go so that the people inviting us aren't offended and remember we exist. So it's going to suck for poorly funded NGO's having to find a way to relocate.
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Thailand tried the same thing a number of years ago. The capital was going to be moved to Petchaboon. It failed for the exact reason you cite, which is all of the people who work in government didn't want to leave Bangkok. Thailand is one of the most unequal large economies in the world in terms of distribution of wealth in regional cities, and that was even more true 20 years ago. That exacerbates the problem. if America had New York City and everything else was a scale between West Virginia and Wyoming people would think a lot differently (I understand that New Yorkers actually think this is the case lol). I don't really understand Indonesia's political system, but I gather it probably has something in common with Thailand in terms of being a bunch of factions all sort of bouncing around against each other until some larger threat emerges at which point they bounce in that direction. At a 30 thousand foot level that describes all politics, but the way that manifests itself at least in countries like Thailand or Cambodia is quite a bit different than the way it manifests itself in Japan or the United States, from what I can observe. I say that by contrast with Myanmar, which, at the time, was a totally authoritarian military state that said we are moving the capital, and everyone said okay we are moving the capital. Say that in Thailand and even though it's kind of a quote-unquote managed democracy, they do actually have to get some consensus. I would assume that's even more true in Indonesia which is more democratic than Thailand at the moment by any measure. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Aug 28, 2019 |
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The most important difference between Indonesia and Thailand is that Jakarta is sinking and the ocean is rising and the city is hosed no matter what the people in it think.
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Yeah the sinking thing is a major factor, plus there was a report recently that the island of Java will run out of water by 2050, moving some people might help with that. The gerinda party has basically come out and said "ok if it needs to move cool but why does it need to be there? there's this place, Jomblong two hours away we could move it to" while also saying that if the parliament doesn't agree, the plan can be cancelled, and if the situation changes in the future it can be cancelled then as well. The governor of West Java (and architect) Ridwan Kamil thinks the allocated space for the new capital is too big, saying that it should be designed around walking and public transport, not cars (which he is right about but I assume they factored in public transport and encouraging walking but who knows) And I read something interesting this morning where the military basically said they are going to need much more money for the defense of the capital now, because now they have to prepare for a possible war with Malaysia where they invade by land. The military is obviously going to do anything to try and get more money (because they can use some of that to build nice new housing complexes) but I thought it was an interesting aspect I hadn't considered.
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Charlz Guybon posted:The most important difference between Indonesia and Thailand is that Jakarta is sinking and the ocean is rising and the city is hosed no matter what the people in it think. In my experience, these decisions have a lot more to do with short-sighted political concerns than long-sighted, even if they're framed in terms of long-term thinking.
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Scylo posted:West Papua is such a weird issue. From the outside it's such an obvious case of taking over territory purely for resource extraction (and you would think for a country that suffered heavily under colonialism, more people would have sympathy with this) but then I talk to young, seemingly progressive people about it and they will say things like "but if Indonesia doesn't control West Papua someone else like China, America or Australia might come in and take over" (this was literally said to me by one of my Indonesian teachers) it's because Indonesia took West Papua from the Dutch by force when Jakarta was communist-aligned so it was righteous anticolonial liberation, whereas it took East Timor by force from the Portuguese when Jakarta was US-aligned so it was baldly capitalist exploitation (don't laugh, this kind of Cold War thing still has resonance with meaningful consequences. It's why the Australian left rallied to support the liberation of East Timor, and it was Australian force that made an independent Timor-Leste a reality)
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Scylo posted:The governor of West Java (and architect) Ridwan Kamil thinks the allocated space for the new capital is too big, saying that it should be designed around walking and public transport, not cars (which he is right about but I assume they factored in public transport and encouraging walking but who knows)
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on the other hand, neither Putrajaya nor Naypyidaw put in metro lines at the design stage, to pick some recent ones. The density that would make an urban metro (much less an underground one) practical is viewed as a failure in itself to create the good society, not as something to be managed - for both, an explicit goal was to geographically disperse the windfall of megaprojects, not to concentrate it in one new place - this was reiterated in the assorted Malaysia Plans over the years, for instance. (this being said, neither West Malaysia or Myanmar have anything near the population density of Java)
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So umm looks like the situation in West Papua is continuing. I've seen footage of police and government buildings on fire, and their are massive demonstrations and clashes in Jakarta. https://twitter.com/AnarchistsWW/status/1176523605481377795?s=20 https://twitter.com/IamChandraM/status/1178679250586488832?s=20 I also saw some tweets saying at least one student has been killed by police gunfire.
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Amazingly, traffic in Jakarta was not affected at all. Seriouschat, though, what's the end result of all this? Is there a national level response at some point or are the powers that be just gambling that it all goes away?
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Haven't seen anything about this in the news - just looking it up now. Seems pretty serious.
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https://twitter.com/th1an1/status/1178729883012341760?s=20 I know I'm posting a lot of twitter links, but honestly for the past few years 90% of the news about Indonesia and West Papua I've come across has been on the platform.
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tbf the proposed penal code is extremely loving bad: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/26/indonesias-criminal-code-what-is-it-why-does-it-matter-and-will-it-be-passed
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Yeah, it's not even just that it's a lot of terrible laws, it's that it's a lot of terrible, very vaguely worded laws that could be open to interpretation in how they're enforced. What they've done to the corruption eradication commission is pretty bad as well, they selected a new chairman of the corruption eradication commission (kpk) who is a police general (the police do not get along with the KPK) alleged to have committed "gross ethics violations" because of meetings with the people that commission was investigating. Then parliament rushed in a new law about the KPK, making them require warrants for wiretaps and stuff like that, just a lot of little things that will certainly hamstring investigations. By "rushed in" it basically took them a couple of weeks to discuss and vote on that law, whereas most laws take years of talking to reach a conclusion, for example the much needed Law on the Elimination of Sexual Violence has spent the last three years being talked about and isn't even close to being voted on. Jokowi is said to be considering issuing a presidential decree on the new KPK laws to effectively veto them, but then I think parliament might have the choice to either accept that or reject it. The main thing to keep in mind with all this is the corruption eradication commission is by far the most liked and trusted public institution as far as I know. People do not like or trust the police, or the politicians in the parliament because they see them both as being lazy and corrupt. Also there's the whole bot/information war happening on twitter https://twitter.com/yennikwok/status/1178850993603133440?s=20 https://twitter.com/AksiLangsung_EN is a good account to follow for english updates on whats happening
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Good news: Gotobaya "Tens of thousands of murdered Tamils" Rajapaksa is leading Sri Lankan presidential polls Bad news: to retain Sri Lankan citizenship /office eligibility? as a dual citizen (he got US citizenship in case he, say, had to flee the country in fear of prosecution for his massive war crimes if his brother unexpectedly lost a presidential election, hypothetically) he needed specific governmental dispensation and it may not have gone through the proper channels, lol
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http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2019/10/04/judges-protest-by-attempted-suicide-shakes-judicial-authority/amp/quote:Yala senior judge Khanakorn Pianchana pulled out a handgun and shot himself in the chest inside a courtroom moments after he acquitted five defendants of murder and firearm charges. In a court filing leaked on social media after his suicide attempt, Khanakorn said he was pressured by his supervisor to find the men guilty despite lack of evidence.
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ReindeerF posted:http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2019/10/04/judges-protest-by-attempted-suicide-shakes-judicial-authority/amp/ well, that's one way to protest corruption also I misread that as "shot himself in the chest five times" and was impressed with his resilience
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GreyjoyBastard posted:well, that's one way to protest corruption Me too
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Hey man, this isn't Vietnam. Sabai sabai.
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Indonesia's Coordinating Minister for Political, legal and Security Affairs, Wiranto, got slashed with a knife today. The police arrested the person responsible and apparently he's alleged to be an IS sympathiser. On the one hand, Ministers being stabbed by IS sympathisers is bad on the other hand.. Wiranto has never faced punishment for his role in atrocities in East Timor so.. edit: Apparently the intelligence agency had been watching the guy for the last three months and I guess somehow missed he was going to stab a minister https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-minister-attack/indonesian-security-minister-attacked-by-man-with-knife-police-idUSKBN1WP0N4 Also a couple of days ago a University Lecturer was arrested for planning to blow up bombs in several different locations targeting the Chinese-Indonesian community https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/10/08/police-foil-bomb-attack-plan-linked-to-212-islamist-rally.html Seems like the threat of attacks here is going up in the lead up to President Jokowis inauguration ceremony for his second term on the 20th of October, hopefully the counter-terrorism unit is able to stay on top of it. Centusin fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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I recently travelled through Thailand to Vietnam through Cambodia, didn't get much opportunity to speak to locals but one thing I picked up in Cambodia is that there's growing dissatisfaction with the corruption of the Cambodian People's Party (whose signs and branches are everywhere) but the CPP has been openly warning that if they lose power the country will slide back into Civil war, which is deeply unsettling. I hope they're exaggerating because that's not a strategy for long term stability.
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Last time I was in Cambodia, I didn't meant anyone who had anything other than withering contempt for the CCP or Hun Sen. Given that it's not exactly a free society, I was pretty surprised how quick everyone I met was to complain about the government to a foreigner, unprompted.
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Angry Salami posted:Last time I was in Cambodia, I didn't meant anyone who had anything other than withering contempt for the CCP or Hun Sen. Given that it's not exactly a free society, I was pretty surprised how quick everyone I met was to complain about the government to a foreigner, unprompted. This was my experience as well. I got a totally unprompted and blistering denunciation of the King for collaborating with the CCP to sell out the country from a supervisor at a tour guide agency. Yeah didn't really know how to react to that
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Squalid posted:This was my experience as well. I got a totally unprompted and blistering denunciation of the King for collaborating with the CCP to sell out the country from a supervisor at a tour guide agency. Yeah didn't really know how to react to that I didn't realize Cambodia had a king until this post. I had assumed the French or the Khmer Rouge got rid of the monarchy.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I didn't realize Cambodia had a king until this post. I had assumed the French or the Khmer Rouge got rid of the monarchy. The monarchy played a huge role in modern Cambodia and I recommend reading up on mylord daddy sihanouk!
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Yeah, Sihanouk was crafty, but even he couldn't keep things afloat while fighting a political action on 3-4 stronger fronts. No one likes the CPP, but what are you going to do? I get the impression everyone is waiting for Samdech Hun Sen to move to another plane of existence and then throw up resistance when his son is appointed, which, last I heard anyway, was the plan. The biggest problem facing Cambodia politically is not exactly Hun Sen another, though he is part of the larger problem. Cambodia is a weak, poor country and it has a rapidly growing economy that is essentially a tug of war between the Vietnamese, who (as in Laos) essentially run the economy and some commanding heights (electricity, I believe, for example) and the newly arriving in huge numbers Mainland Chinese who are buying up everything in sight. These two groups historically don't like each other very much and, as usual, Cambodia is getting fingercuffed by foreign powers who will, increasingly, involve themselves in politics.
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lmfao eat poo poo Mahatir.
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