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alexandriao posted:Anyone have any articles on like, synthesizer theory or explanation or something? I didn't find anything worth reading ;-; if you wanna go pretty deep you can read sound on sound magazines "synth secrets" articles. https://www.soundonsound.com/series/synth-secrets?solrsort=ds_created%20asc&f%5B0%5D=im_field_subject%3A8106 there is a LOT of stuff in there, some great, some kinda meh. One nice thing is that it starts by trying to get everyone thinking about the sounds they hear in synth friendly terms before talking too much about poo poo like "modulating the cutoff."
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Penisface posted:
you're making a lot of sense here, but it'd still be cool to have a standalone device you can take with whatever music kit you have. i'll see if anyone has any cool mods, maybe a light effect sync
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kaboofa posted:Andrew Huang has a good 20ish minute video on modular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWslSTTkiFU Dang, thanks for that video. It's the same stuff I was reading last night but I feel like it stuck a little bit better I'll check out the rest of the stuff when I'm not cooking bacon pointsofdata posted:This guy's videos are a good intro to vcv rack https://youtu.be/pDmSy3PukTQ Zaxxon posted:if you wanna go pretty deep you can read sound on sound magazines "synth secrets" articles. Ahhh thank you all Looks like my to-do list just got a bunch added to it - So one system I remembered about is called Pure Data, I didn't do much with it but it has a really interesting presentation and workflow, there's two good videos on it here: https://youtu.be/FkmMzqohsDo E: now I remember why I dislike VCV Rack, half the dials aren't labelled so I have zero idea what I'm doing alexandriao fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Mar 9, 2020 |
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I've been using FL for the last 7-8 years and I get periodic existential anxiety that everybody else I know who makes oontz oontz music uses ableton. Then I remember I've got harmor and they don't
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alexandriao posted:Dang, thanks for that video. It's the same stuff I was reading last night but I feel like it stuck a little bit better PD is pretty great. I used to mess with it a lot. It gets a lil rough when your patch starts getting big and complicated. You might also like supercollider, which has a lot of similar functionality but works more like a regular programming language. In fact, as far as I can tell this sonic-pi thing people are talking about here is just ruby talking to supercollider server.
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alexandriao posted:Dang, thanks for that video. It's the same stuff I was reading last night but I feel like it stuck a little bit better You're welcome! I love nerding out about this stuff. alexandriao posted:So one system I remembered about is called Pure Data, I didn't do much with it but it has a really interesting presentation and workflow, there's two good videos on it here: If Rack is Lego bricks, PD is the tools you need to make plastic injection molds. a neurotic ai posted:I've been using FL for the last 7-8 years and I get periodic existential anxiety that everybody else I know who makes oontz oontz music uses ableton. Don't get anxiety over toaster brands! They all have their strengths and weaknesses. While Live is catching up, I think FL Studio still has a better workflow for automating parameters. Zaxxon posted:You might also like supercollider, which has a lot of similar functionality but works more like a regular programming language Yesssssssss. You can use good ole diff to compare different versions of a supercollider patch. Good luck trying to do that in PD or Max/MSP
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kaboofa posted:Yesssssssss. You can use good ole diff to compare different versions of a supercollider patch. Good luck trying to do that in PD or Max/MSP I mean even just reading a supercollider file makes more sense than a complicated Max or PD patch. I made a sample slicer in Max/MSP a long time ago and it worked real good but it was just an incomprehensible pile of crossing lines after a point, and that was with me trying to make everything sub patches and all that poo poo.
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Zaxxon posted:I mean even just reading a supercollider file makes more sense than a complicated Max or PD patch. I made a sample slicer in Max/MSP a long time ago and it worked real good but it was just an incomprehensible pile of crossing lines after a point, and that was with me trying to make everything sub patches and all that poo poo. I look at Max/MSP/Gen like duct-tape for Ableton Live. Don't really use it, but boy am I glad it's there when I need it. toiletbrush posted:I ordered an audio interface a few weeks ago (ExpertSleepers ES-9) so I can finally plug my eurorack monstrosity into my Mac in a somewhat sensible fashion but it's still not arrived, and I've not touched my modular since because it feels wrong somehow Whoa, that's rad. Are you doing it DIY style? I've been eyeing the ES-9, but ended up with a Zoom instead. Let us know how it goes! My current setup is this: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/1126967 Plus a Behringer Neutron Plus a Befaco I4 and an Endorphin.es Milky Way (WHICH BOTH GOT DELIVERED TODAY!!! WOO!!) e: yikes. thinking about how much Ii've spent on music stuff kinda bums me out, but then i remember how much fun i've had jamming kaboofa fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Mar 9, 2020 |
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mine is a scarlett 8i6
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LuckySevens posted:you're making a lot of sense here, but it'd still be cool to have a standalone device you can take with whatever music kit you have. i’ve day dreamt of this. for a while I had this idea of being a one man band with looping pedals n poo poo and running my own lighting it would actually be prettt cool to have a wee device that could accept midi and route different midi channels to different lights or modes or whatever 🤷♂️ sounds like fun
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a neurotic ai posted:I've been using FL for the last 7-8 years and I get periodic existential anxiety that everybody else I know who makes oontz oontz music uses ableton. the workflow difference between the two leads to different music I reckon, and why loving around with both has its own benefits
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Eurorack people: My life was changed today. Get some knurlies. Not having to grab a screwdriver (even though it's right there on the mug on the shelf) is shockingly convenient, specially if you still shuffle modules around.
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echinopsis posted:the workflow difference between the two leads to different music I reckon, and why loving around with both has its own benefits the main takeaway I’ve gathered is that ableton doesn’t use FLs infuriatingly irritating window management system, it’s a lot easier to use in one view and lends itself to laptops better. ...but it’s also reliant on a bunch of hot keys, and though FLs mixer view is more cumbersome for routing, it can do some fun things that iirc ableton can’t,
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harmor is also the best soft synth, period
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kaboofa posted:Whoa, that's rad. Are you doing it DIY style? quote:I've been eyeing the ES-9, but ended up with a Zoom instead. Let us know how it goes! But there's no loving way I'm putting my rack on Modular Grid because I don't want to know how much I've spent on it It's kinda hard to explain what modular is without showing someone. I think of it a bit like programming, each module is just a really simple function that takes a few inputs and produces a few outputs, and you can put pretty much any module into one of three types... it makes a signal - oscillators, LFOs, envelope/contour generators it changes or modulates a signal - filters, amplifiers, ring modulators, sample-and-hold it controls a signal - sequencers, clock dividers/multipliers Technically you can use anything for anything though, and that's one thing that makes them fun - like, if you trigger an envelope-generator with an audio-rate signal, the output of the EG will sound like a hard-synced oscillator, or use a 4-input mixer and a sequential switch as a 4-step sequencer etc etc. It's all stuff you're used to using in a regular synth, you just get to plug it in different ways yourself. One good way to get familiar with modular is to recreate stuff you already know - if you're using Reaktor, PD or SuperCollider then maybe try to build emulations of simpler 80s synths - the Roland SH101 or even Korg MS-20s are quite fun to try and build, and then you can break them and make them do stupid things. If you're in hardware land then maybe try and recreate things like drum sounds from old drum machines - find out how they made their snare/kick/cymbal/hi hat sounds and build them yourself, and then find interesting/hacky ways to build sequencers to trigger them.
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a neurotic ai posted:the main takeaway I’ve gathered is that ableton doesn’t use FLs infuriatingly irritating window management system, it’s a lot easier to use in one view and lends itself to laptops better. what can’t it do
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i want a korg minilogue xd pretty bad but i dont feel like finding 600 bucks for it
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how do you play a modular? like I get how you hook a bunch of stuff up, but how do you make a melody? are there sequencer modules and sampler modules? and then you can choose to route a pot or keyboard or whatever into your oscillators frequency input for unsequenced stuff? is the idea that you can basically make a custom synth at home, but you have to buy everything you want separately? like a sort of middle ground between buying a synth kit and buying something off the shelf?
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Achmed Jones posted:how do you play a modular? like I get how you hook a bunch of stuff up, but how do you make a melody? are there sequencer modules and sampler modules? and then you can choose to route a pot or keyboard or whatever into your oscillators frequency input for unsequenced stuff? Achmed Jones posted:is the idea that you can basically make a custom synth at home, but you have to buy everything you want separately? like a sort of middle ground between buying a synth kit and buying something off the shelf? Yup. There are a lot of modules that come as kits, too. Big homebrew/diy scene. There are even semi-modular synths that have an internal signal flow, but give you patch points to change the flow.
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Achmed Jones posted:how do you play a modular? like I get how you hook a bunch of stuff up, but how do you make a melody? are there sequencer modules and sampler modules? and then you can choose to route a pot or keyboard or whatever into your oscillators frequency input for unsequenced stuff? For example, most eurorack sequencers have CV control for transposing notes up and down, CV inputs for choosing the scale notes are quantised to, CV control for the clock rate or even direct control of what step is playing at any time. So you can set up rigs of sequencers all sequencing each other, and turn a 8 step melody into something that is constantly changing but still following rules...and then there's all the tricks you can do to generate accompaniments! Voltage controlled transposition with a Metropolis sequencer... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psPpKGwU2kI A PLL module following a wandering LFO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMtNsij8u14 More Metropolis stuff from MylarMelodies, one of the best channels on Youtube for learning about this stuff... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV9-XA5MPwY
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woah
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Sample+Hold -> Pitch Quantizer = loads of fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhUjti1WZwo
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cool a f
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holy poo poo I just looked up the metropolis and it's $585. I was expecting like $200 or maybe $250. it's cool but drat
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echinopsis posted:i’ve day dreamt of this. for a while I had this idea of being a one man band with looping pedals n poo poo and running my own lighting so many possibilities, so little time
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more like so little motivation
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i love how every synth video is just some guys hands being expressive and then pressing some buttons
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maybe my strong button pressing skills can overcome my lack of musical talent one day
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You just need the right equipment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmLlE4pnT6c
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they seem to suffer less from the spend 18 mins slowly introducing the video disease
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Achmed Jones posted:holy poo poo I just looked up the metropolis and it's $585. I was expecting like $200 or maybe $250. it's cool but drat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPWf8bBOQXk Luckily unless you’re going for a super boutique artisanal stuff then most of the modules you want lots of are relatively sanely priced, especially the ones from Doepfer.
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echinopsis posted:more like so little motivation i settled on messing around with this new beta app cables.gl (which is compatible with blender!!!) and ableton, will report back
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWh21uvUZo this guy is cool
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LuckySevens posted:i settled on messing around with this new beta app cables.gl (which is compatible with blender!!!) and ableton, will report back
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echinopsis posted:what can’t it do It’s probably the FL mantra of having a million ways to do something, but if I recall correctly the only way to do multiple effects chains in ableton is through racks and groups. With FL I can arbitrarily connect any channel with another (I am probably wrong that ableton can’t do this though.) my faders also look much cooler when I make them dance by automating them with a peak controller (no joke this is how I side chained when I started).
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a neurotic ai posted:It’s probably the FL mantra of having a million ways to do something, but if I recall correctly the only way to do multiple effects chains in ableton is through racks and groups. With FL I can arbitrarily connect any channel with another (I am probably wrong that ableton can’t do this though.) you can route channels to channels in ableton.
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well hey look there’s the existential crisis again
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a neurotic ai posted:harmor is also the best soft synth, period and yospos also ableton is great in so many ways but 1) its automation is still maddening to me sometimes and 2) bouncing a clip/resampling is also pretty obnoxious
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I was gonna post about how I don't know what sidechaining is or how to do it but then I googled it and this time I found actual reasonably written text documents that explained everything. so ive got that going for me
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excited bout this thread i've probably spent a few thousand hours inside ableton. i don't have a single song to show for it; kinda given up on the idea that i am capable of creating music. but my fart sounds have become more advanced and the collection is ever-expanding. and maybe a few half-decent snares along the way. vsti till i die rchon fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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