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redm
Feb 20, 2016


Sugartime Jones
why i never

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Who Is Paul Blart
Oct 22, 2010
Video games

Obsidianheart
Apr 26, 2017

Throwing off the shadow of a better man.
I'm going to tell you why you are wrong. I'm going to quote your post sentence-by-sentence, italicizing your words so you cannot deny them, and carefully craft a molecular deconstruction of what I infer the nuanced meaning of each word to be, and then I'm going to refute these words, alternating my tone randomly between haughty condescension and arrogant shock that you would ever attack me personally (because you are, you know, by disagreeing with me). If you did not know that my opinion on this subject differed from yours before (and really, you should have known, because it is the only correct opinion), well, I will make sure that you never forget where I stand in the future. If, after my carefully constructed response (that took me upwards of two hours to write), you do not either post about how you were wrong and concede, or (even better) declare that you have seen the light and agree with me, I will snidely bring it up every time our paths cross. Your opinions and input will be absolutely invalidated to me until you admit that yes, Janeway was the best Captain of all time.

Salem Saberhagen
Feb 23, 2009
Did you just make a joke at someone elses expense? I'm going to make this a teachable moment for you. First off how dare you....

Jesustheastronaut!
Mar 9, 2014




Lipstick Apathy
my dick is short BUT the redeeming quality is that it is also very thin

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



i could beat any sheep in a fight

weed cat
Dec 23, 2010

weed cat is back, and he loves to suck dick



:sueme:
Dear Richard,

Relayer
Sep 18, 2002
The moisture is wholly unsuited for grapery in my wine dungeon

ClamdestineBoyster
Aug 15, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Obsidianheart posted:

I'm going to tell you why you are wrong. I'm going to quote your post sentence-by-sentence, italicizing your words so you cannot deny them, and carefully craft a molecular deconstruction of what I infer the nuanced meaning of each word to be, and then I'm going to refute these words, alternating my tone randomly between haughty condescension and arrogant shock that you would ever attack me personally (because you are, you know, by disagreeing with me). If you did not know that my opinion on this subject differed from yours before (and really, you should have known, because it is the only correct opinion), well, I will make sure that you never forget where I stand in the future. If, after my carefully constructed response (that took me upwards of two hours to write), you do not either post about how you were wrong and concede, or (even better) declare that you have seen the light and agree with me, I will snidely bring it up every time our paths cross. Your opinions and input will be absolutely invalidated to me until you admit that yes, Janeway was the best Captain of all time.

Hey get a load of this guy, he’s never seen Next Generation lol smh. :jerkbag:

BrassRoots
Jan 9, 2012

You can play a shoestring if you're sincere - John Coltrane
*sigh*
Every.loving.time

Blaise330
Aug 13, 2007

GOD'S FAVORITE CHAMPION
IF YOU BAN ME YOU'RE JUST ADMITTING YOU WERE WRONG AND YOU'LL ONLY MAKE ME A MARTYR

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









gently reminding you of some stuff you should have known already

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins
USES 👏 CLAPPING 👏 EMOJI 👏 TO 👏 MAKE 👏 YOU 👏 FEEL 👏 LIKE 👏 AN 👏 rear end in a top hat 👏

Smiling Mandrill
Jan 19, 2015

Writes out a highly detailed rebuttal consisting of 8,042 words. Sends out hard copy's to multiple academic scholars to be reviewed, and edited. Finally adds a full bibliography, and confidently hit the post button. Smugly sits back and waits for forums rock star status. Loses poo poo when every reply is TLDR.

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins

Nigmaetcetera posted:

USES 👏 CLAPPING 👏 EMOJI 👏 TO 👏 MAKE 👏 YOU 👏 FEEL 👏 LIKE 👏 AN 👏 rear end in a top hat 👏

I wish somebody would do this to me in real life so I could hit them. So goddamn condescending. Is that racist? Somebody told me that clapping between words was a black thing, but I cant recall seeing a black person do it, just smug white assholes who I want to murder.

A Fancy Hat
Nov 18, 2016

Always remember that the former President was dumber than the dumbest person you've ever met by a wide margin

How dare you. How loving dare you.

You've questioned my commitment to this ice cream parlor for the last GODDAMN time. Who was there to get the emergency delivery of rainbow sprinkles on his wife's birthday? Who missed the birth of his daughter to ensure we had maraschino cherries in stock? WHO SACRIFICED HIS GODDAMN MARRIAGE TO MAKE SURE WE HAD WAFFLE CONES FOR THE FOURTH OF JULY?

It sure as gently caress wasn't you, Eddie. It was me. I BLEED ICE CREAM. I love this business more than life itself. My marriage is gone, I'll never see my child, and I have to admit that's at least partially my fault. But this company? I'll be dead in the cold ground before I let a little peon like you say I don't give 110% for the Ice Cream Boat. gently caress you. gently caress you and gently caress everybody like you.

Linda didn't understand, either. I guess you can go look up her up if you want, go play house with my ex-wife. Let my daughter know her daddy's still alive. But while you're doing that, I'll be refilling the container of Reese's Pieces. I think we both know who's the real winner here, you piece of human garbage.

raspurtin
Apr 18, 2005

*sigh* No, you see, it's called playing Devil's Advocate, a rhetorical device with a long history. For example, in Dostoevsky's

A Fancy Hat
Nov 18, 2016

Always remember that the former President was dumber than the dumbest person you've ever met by a wide margin

So I guess today's the day, huh? Today's the day my son shows me the DISRESPECT I know has been just boiling up in him for years.

You finally grew some balls, huh? Finally decided it was time to take on your old man? Listen. LISTEN TO ME. These are my Funko Pops, this is my Funko Pop shelf, and I will NEVER let you put your "widdle twophies" up there. 3rd place in the Spelling Bee? 2nd place in Tee-Ball? You think I give a gently caress? This is where my limited edition Target-exclusive gold holo-foil variant Kylo Ren sits.

And if you ever look at this shelf again, I will end you. I don't care that you're my son, these Pops are my family. I can always make another one of you. I cannot recreate the perfection of these Banana Splits Pops. So why don't you go cry to your Mother, she's already been instructed of the Funko Pop Policy in this home. Away with you, crotch spawn!

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax
For those unaware, Goku is essentially the Japanese pop-culture equivalent of Superman and hails from the Dragon Ball franchise. He's one of the few survivors of now-destroyed planet, was sent to Earth as a baby, and has since grown a deep affection for the world and its people. He's also crazy strong, can fly, and is an exceptional fighter who has saved the world from numerous villains over the years.

Many have undoubtedly theorized hypothetical situations where "Goku vs. Superman" happened, and as someone who has thought about this for the past couple of decades – non-continuously, mostly – I think there are key elements to this match-up that would quickly decide a definitive winner. I've outlined these specific scenarios below, along with further information about both characters, and I can say with great certainty the X-factors that would be responsible for each character's success in a throw-down between the two.

Known to humans as Clark Kent, Superman is the adopted son of Kansas and one of the sole survivors of the Planet Krypton. He stands for truth, justice, and the American way, and while he could very well control much of the world with his immense skill set, it's his morality and immense restraint that often keep him from becoming such a fearsome tyrant. He's saved the world more times than we can count, and we're pretty drat good at counting.

Superman boasts just about every golden-era superhero ability. His strength level is off the charts, and he can fly. He has super-speed, heat vision, x-ray vision, ice breath, and is also able to keep his identity a secret with a pair of glasses and a fumbling-about persona. As far as fighting abilities go, Superman is trained in the Kryptonian fighting arts of Torquasm-Rao and Torquasm-Vo, and his uppercut can knock someone's teeth back up through their eyeballs. He's also learned from the teachings of fellow heroes like Batman and Wonder Woman.

For all the great attributes Superman has, his biggest weakness can sap it all away in a heartbeat. Several different forms of Kryptonite can bring the Man of Steel to his knees, and can even kill him if he's exposed to them long enough. It's a pretty devastating weakness his enemies often utilize, and often the sole trump card at one's disposal if they wish to defeat Superman in the DC universe. Other than blotting out the sun, which has more than a few adverse effects to humankind as well.

Much like Superman, Goku is an alien that was sent to Earth just prior to the destruction of his planet. His life changed in Dragon Ball when he was discovered by Bulma, and he eventually found his way to a Martial Arts master named Master Roshi. Goku trained hard, and over the course of Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super, he has defeated some of the universe's greatest threats even when he initially seemed incapable of doing so.

As of Dragon Ball Super, Goku has a power level that rivals, and even exceeds, some of the Dragon Ball universe's gods. This includes unfathomable speed, as well as a strength that can rattle dimensions. Dragon Ball Z set a precedent that every foe Goku faced had to be vastly stronger than the prior one, so the only option was to continually make the beloved hero stronger until he literally became stronger than a god.

So what kind of weakness does someone as strong as Goku have? He's kind of stupid, for one, and tends to take battles less seriously than he should. He enjoys fighting, and therefore likes to drag things on and test his enemy, as opposed to promptly destroying them. Additionally, his "Ultra Instinct" ability drains an immense amount of stamina, so the otherworldly power can only be tapped for so long. If he doesn't finish the fight in that window, he's out for the count.

Given both fighters' attributes, now we can get down to figuring out who would win in the Goku vs. Superman fight. To get some logistical issues out of the way, there's no place where these two could have a drag-out battle without destroying most of Earth. Neither one would want that.

As such, they'd have to agree on a neutral uninhabited location that gets light from the yellow sun. That'd likely be Goku's request, too, as he wouldn't want to fight a Superman if he wasn't at full strength. Goku's honorable (and again, kind of stupid) like that, which also means that he'd likely also discourage any Dragon Ball Z cohorts from packing some Kryptonite in the chance that the Man of Steel gets the upper hand.

This essentially evens the playing field between the two, seeing as Goku's weaknesses are far less glaring than Superman's. Plus, it would put them in a position where there would have to be one definitive winner by the time it was all said and done. (This is also known as a writer's nightmare.)

Now, there are places on the internet (like Death Battle!) that have fictionalized this showdown before, though it's notable that a lot of the earlier Goku vs. Superman fight breakdowns were done prior to Dragon Ball Super. As previously mentioned, Goku (and his long-time rival Vegeta) got the strength and speed to take on literal gods in that series, which factors into the discussion pretty heavily.

Even though the peak of Goku's advanced abilities has a time limit, he is still pretty strong in his additional Saiyan evolutions leading up to that. So he's certainly on Superman's strength level now, even if he wasn't quite there yet in Dragonball GT.

Superman still has his vision-based abilities and ice breath, but the world of Dragon Ball has characters frequently using energy-based Ki blasts. If Goku is at a point where he can regularly deflect the latter attacks with no effort, it doesn't seem likely that heat or ice breath will do much more than temporarily distract him. I'd assume the same is true with Superman handling Ki blasts, and that he'd be able to take a standard Kamehameha without problems. So it's going to come down to a slug fest!

If Goku vs. Superman came down to a lick-for-lick brawl, Goku actually has a distinct advantage. He's by far a more experienced technical fighter than Superman, and is able to learn an adversary's style as a fight progresses. He's also got that "Ultra Instinct" ability, which certainly seems like the tactic that would put the Man of Steel down if Goku is able to tap into it. It's certainly not looking good for Superman, is it?

With that said, Superman still has a chance at ending this battle in the early stages. As mentioned, Goku rarely tends to go 100% right out of the gate. Superman could quickly turn up the heat on Goku and catch him off-guard before the Saiyan has a chance to fully power up. If the battle drags on though, it feels like Superman's chances of beating Goku drop with each passing minute.

If we're talking Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku vs Superman, it's hard to justify Supes beating any Goku that isn't the godawful movie version. The Man of Steel's best bet would be to hold on long enough for Goku's stamina to drain, which would be quite a tall order given the Saiyan's immense strength and perfect reflexes in this heightened state. Goku's strength would exceed that of even some of the strongest versions of Superman, provided he could tap into the power, of course.

As mentioned though, there is that small chance Superman could win if he overwhelmed Goku heavily and early in the fight, but that's not usually the Man of Steel's style. Especially in a fight against another good guy, as neither man would be going for a killing blow, given their good nature and understanding that they're both working in the best interest of humanity. But uh, sorry, Superman fans, Goku's whole gimmick is overcoming impossible enemies, so he's not just going to stop now.

Lobotomy Bob
Jun 13, 2003

As an engineer, I

mom and dad fight a lot
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Quote me for a probation

Anyone

Yea bump

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 07:51 on May 5, 2020

raspurtin
Apr 18, 2005

actually, "Reductio ad Absurdum" means it's your argument that's absurd, not me

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Obsidianheart
Apr 26, 2017

Throwing off the shadow of a better man.
I'd like to see your sources, please.

(if sources are produced:)
Of course you'd believe this crackpot fringe media, don't you know they're like the internet equivalent of the Enquirer or the Daily Mail?

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