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buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

Dynamite Dog posted:

I almost want to veto because I like ante up so much and am constantly amazed that they got a song so loving aggressive in the publics mind.

Think how many white people know a song that they don’t realize is about straight up violently robbing people on the street?

its like posting, you can literally say anything if the song is catchy enough

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Dynamite Dog
Dec 12, 2012

It also helps they took like over half the words out on the radio edit

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Dynamite Dog posted:

I almost want to veto because I like ante up so much and am constantly amazed that they got a song so loving aggressive in the publics mind.

Think how many white people know a song that they don’t realize is about straight up violently robbing people on the street?

tbh i first made that post about ante up, but then realized i listen to cold as ice more and it's the song that introduced me to M.O.P.

just posting a link to ante up in case anyone wants to listen to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixZ9jKwqBnk

lil poopendorfer
Nov 13, 2014

by the sex ghost
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Somebody fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jan 13, 2022

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
Ms. Fat Booty has been posted in a couple other threads already so I don’t need to post the video but I’m going to nominate it. Black on both sides is one of my favorite albums of all time, and that’s the obvious pick but I wanted to nominate one of the other songs first. Hip hop is such a great track and the way they play with the rhythm is so cool, Do it Now is such a good party song, but Ms Fat Booty has that incredible Aretha sample and it’s just too good to pass on. So Mos Def - Ms Fat Booty.


throwing in the link for u bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZvjiLbDQq8

Somebody fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Jan 14, 2022

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Witness (1 Hope) - Roots Manuva (2001)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP7L16A8Hs

:britain:

- absolutely filthy bassline that was supposedly from Roots trying to recreate the Doctor Who theme
- flow that keeps jumping between time signatures with constant rhymes
- it would be a reach to call this grime but it's definitely got some shared dub / dancehall influences and Roots was unapologetically British long before grime got international recognition, rapping about pints of bitter and cheese on toast
- he might have actually made up the word "cruffiton" for this track as every source for it refers back to the song??
- if it's got a weakness it's that all the best lines are in the lead up to the first chorus but those twenty bars are loving amazing and do not let up:

quote:

Taskmaster burst the bionic zit-splitter
Breakneck speeds we down ten pints of bitter
We lean all day and some say that ain't productive
Could that depend upon the demon that you're stuck with
Cause right now, I see clearer than most
I sit here contented with this cheese on toast
I feel the pain of a third world famine
Segue! We count them blessings and keep jamming
Tis him - scumbag, scum of the earth, his worth was nil
Until he gained the skill of tongues
From fifteen years young straight to my greyback self
I stay top shelf material, jerk chicken, jerk fish
Breakaway slave, bliss
Generate Gs and then we stash 'em in the Swiss
Fools can't see this, audio pistols
A fistful of hip hop dons, I progression in the flesh
Esoteric quotes, most frightening
Duppy took a hold of my hand while I was writing
Let go me ting, duppy, let go me hand
I summon up the power of Banana Klan

also this shouldn't have any bearing on its inclusion but the video makes me laugh every time

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

Party Boat posted:

Witness (1 Hope) - Roots Manuva (2001)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP7L16A8Hs

:britain:


gently caress yes. dude was ahead of the curve with that blown out bass.

ItohRespectArmy
Sep 11, 2019

Cutest In The World, Six Time DDT Ironheavymetalweight champion, Two Time International Princess champion, winner of two tournaments, a Princess Tag Team champion, And a pretty good singer too!
"When I was an idol, I felt nothing every day but now that I'm a pro wrestler I'm in pain constantly!"

Party Boat posted:

Witness (1 Hope) - Roots Manuva (2001)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP7L16A8Hs

:britain:



great nomination

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

It’s T.R.O.Y. or C.R.E.A.M.

DOPE FIEND KILLA G
Jun 4, 2011

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

Paid in Full - Eric B. & Rakim

this song has been so long considered "the best" hip hop track of all time i'm actually shocked it's not in here yet. it seems almost trite to suggest it. like anyone who googles "best rap song" will often find this at the top of so many lists, it's almost boring and bandwagon-ey to suggest it. but imo it's for good reason. this track was groundbreaking in 1987, and it still holds up today. a display of lyricism and flow from rakim that changed the game and kickstarted his rap career that would eventually propel him to legendary status. simple production and a timeless beat gets out of rakim's way and lays the ground work for his effortless, laidback but still technical lyrical delivery. the track is short but to the point. i wasn't even born yet for a couple more years in 1987, but i've listened to plenty of hip hop from the era, and rakim is markedly different. no reliance on overt machismo, showboating or exaggerated gangster vocabulary, just tight bars delivered perfectly. rakim may have been the first big rapper to focus on lyrical delivery ("flow") and wordplay over what was the then-prominent battle rapper/gangster style.

i nominate Eric B. & Rakim's "Paid in Full"
classic. great choice. might have to fight you though because i was gonna nominate eric b is president (the single version). but we're probably chill w/ a couple from the same artist yea?

Horace Kinch
Aug 15, 2007

Dynamite Dog posted:

i have a couple nominations but i'm going to keep them all real different to justify it

first, the one closest to my heart

Souls of Mischief - 93 'til Infinity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJc2NYwHjw

Seconding this

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Tribe Called Quest already got nominated, but I think this might be my favorite track of theirs. Great horrorcore kinda beat, and so many good verses. And then you get Busta Rhymes just exploding onto the scene and blowing up huge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6TLWqn82J4

DOPE FIEND KILLA G
Jun 4, 2011

Enos Cabell posted:

Tribe Called Quest already got nominated, but I think this might be my favorite track of theirs. Great horrorcore kinda beat, and so many good verses. And then you get Busta Rhymes just exploding onto the scene and blowing up huge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6TLWqn82J4
+1

Dynamite Dog
Dec 12, 2012

#3, in no specific order

Atlanta in the hip hop landscape of 2000-2006 was fun. Outkast, Lil Jon, and Ying Yang Twins had banging but still poppy hits. Most of the lyrics were just about getting hosed up, which everyone can relate to.

TI showed up angry and violent and was Atlanta for years, pretty much eclipsing Jeezy and owning the sound until guys Young Thug.

He had been pushing darker tracks since the early 2000s, but after getting out of jail and finding out trap was bigger than him he dropped King. The entire album is TI declaring himself the new king of Atlanta, and daring anyone to challenge him on it. He still has that trap underpinning to the beat but he got Just Blaze because he knew he needed a heater to open the album strong. This is peak TI. His life from this point on was living up to this song.

TI - King Back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AV4fyId29o

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

Clipse - Grindin'

I had a hard time with this because Clipse is my favorite rap group of all time. I think Pusha T is pretty much impeccable across the board and i could post about 20 songs that he's insanely good on. This doesn't have my favorite lyrics/flow on the album (Young Boy is an unbelievable song especially as the first track on the album. So raw and hosed up.) but Push and Malice are both great on it. The beat, though...it was incredible when it came out and its still hot today. Early Neptunes - they crushed the whole album but this one was special. gently caress now I'm writing this and I want to talk about Cot drat...When the Last Time...Virginia (might be the best lyrics on the album) but I think this one has to be my nomination because of the beat.

I love this album so much. Hell Hath No Fury is absolutely sick as well but I feel like Grindin' was like a nuke that got thrown on the radio. So I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong. Hope other people nominate other stuff by Clipse because gently caress they own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArgD6codGc0

GentlemanofLeisure
Aug 27, 2008

buffalo all day posted:

Clipse - Grindin'

This was one of my considerations when I posted Shook Ones Pt 2. Absolute banger, and also I agree I think I actually like Virgina a little more but the beat on this one is just so good.

Grevlek
Jan 11, 2004

buffalo all day posted:

Clipse - Grindin'

I had a hard time with this because Clipse is my favorite rap group of all time. I think Pusha T is pretty much impeccable across the board and i could post about 20 songs that he's insanely good on. This doesn't have my favorite lyrics/flow on the album (Young Boy is an unbelievable song especially as the first track on the album. So raw and hosed up.) but Push and Malice are both great on it. The beat, though...it was incredible when it came out and its still hot today. Early Neptunes - they crushed the whole album but this one was special. gently caress now I'm writing this and I want to talk about Cot drat...When the Last Time...Virginia (might be the best lyrics on the album) but I think this one has to be my nomination because of the beat.

I love this album so much. Hell Hath No Fury is absolutely sick as well but I feel like Grindin' was like a nuke that got thrown on the radio. So I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong. Hope other people nominate other stuff by Clipse because gently caress they own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArgD6codGc0

*high pitched* GRINDING!

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

Young Boy is absolutely the best track on the album 🔥

highme
May 25, 2001


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Dynamite Dog posted:

i have a couple nominations but i'm going to keep them all real different to justify it

first, the one closest to my heart

Souls of Mischief - 93 'til Infinity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJc2NYwHjw

An absolutely timeless classic about drinking, smoking, and trying to pick up girls with your friends that anyone can relate to. It's not a full Hieroglyphics track, but they're niche stuff, and Souls of Mischief made it beyond that with this song and put dense flow heavy and chill bay area rap on the map.

Every verse on it is amazing, and in typical hiero fashion every verse flows totally seamless the whole way.

The beat alone is enough to relax any human with a heart. It's so warm.

Bridget’s man still ain’t recovered.

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

Dynamite Dog posted:

i have a couple nominations but i'm going to keep them all real different to justify it

first, the one closest to my heart

Souls of Mischief - 93 'til Infinity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJc2NYwHjw

An absolutely timeless classic about drinking, smoking, and trying to pick up girls with your friends that anyone can relate to. It's not a full Hieroglyphics track, but they're niche stuff, and Souls of Mischief made it beyond that with this song and put dense flow heavy and chill bay area rap on the map.

Every verse on it is amazing, and in typical hiero fashion every verse flows totally seamless the whole way.

The beat alone is enough to relax any human with a heart. It's so warm.

this song is sick, love the beat. great pick

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

Dynamite Dog posted:

second one and last one for the night

first though, hip hop in the year 2000: ghostface, half of the guys that would be on rocafella, big pun, dead prez, and busta rhymes all put out albums that are real grimy. outkast is pushing the envelope, but they were evolving quickly, not really shattering stuff.

then some guy in st louis drops an album that sounds super clean and is mostly a simple 808 beat under a basically acoustic guitar and something that sounds like a doorbell chime. and it loving slaps.

there are an absolute ton of rappers today that wouldn't be in the game without Nelly pushing this style as hard and as well as he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_BUA9eFC4

ride wit me is my favorite but this is definitely a classic. i listened to this album so many times that basically the lyrics to the entire album are burned in my brain for life

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004

all great stuff so far, i'm going to try to write up a couple more nominations later

buffalo all day posted:

ride wit me is my favorite but this is definitely a classic. i listened to this album so many times that basically the lyrics to the entire album are burned in my brain for life

my college rock band did a cover of ride wit me and i rapped it. grateful every day that this was before smartphones were everywhere and there's no footage of it

Ass-penny
Jan 18, 2008

There's some really good artists and songs mentioned in here, as well as several that had me like :chloe:

Also pretty confused how Public Enemy hasn't been nominated yet? PE is like, THE loving hip hop group to me. They're still making music, and still political as gently caress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmo3HFa2vjg

Fight the Power forever.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

buffalo all day posted:

its like posting, you can literally say anything if the song is catchy enough

skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

classic. great choice. might have to fight you though because i was gonna nominate eric b is president (the single version). but we're probably chill w/ a couple from the same artist yea?

yeah honestly i struggled to come up with a best eric b. & rakim track, there's so many good ones. i picked that one just because of its legacy and i still spit that whole song to myself sometimes because i have it memorized in its entirety and it's so punchy and just perfectly crafted and paced

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

Enos Cabell posted:

Tribe Called Quest already got nominated, but I think this might be my favorite track of theirs. Great horrorcore kinda beat, and so many good verses. And then you get Busta Rhymes just exploding onto the scene and blowing up huge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6TLWqn82J4

my fav tribe track is definitely "midnight" but that's almost unfair because it doesn't feature phife at all. i just love the 90s "day in the life" rap track and q-tip has it structured perfectly here

A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

t a s t e posted:

It’s T.R.O.Y. or C.R.E.A.M.

C.R.E.A.M. is 100% mandatory in this tournament. seconded

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

https://youtu.be/yNlyVWlXnNQ

Kool G Rap - It's A Shame

That undulating groove, the layered vocals on the chorus, and Kool G Rap's breathless flow in absolute lockstep with the beat. The production is sick and the whole thing feels trancelike.

Game-Blouses
Dec 18, 2008
Gang Starr…

Moment of Truth

https://youtu.be/Rr46FS7tkk4


Above the Clouds

https://youtu.be/Ucvta7xDo_4

insane anime
Aug 5, 2018


lol good rear end username

insane anime
Aug 5, 2018

Dynamite Dog posted:

second one and last one for the night

first though, hip hop in the year 2000: ghostface, half of the guys that would be on rocafella, big pun, dead prez, and busta rhymes all put out albums that are real grimy. outkast is pushing the envelope, but they were evolving quickly, not really shattering stuff.

then some guy in st louis drops an album that sounds super clean and is mostly a simple 808 beat under a basically acoustic guitar and something that sounds like a doorbell chime. and it loving slaps.

there are an absolute ton of rappers today that wouldn't be in the game without Nelly pushing this style as hard and as well as he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_BUA9eFC4

great write up

insane anime
Aug 5, 2018

honestly all these write ups are good. thank you to everyone participating. wanna shout out all of you guys but i dont wanna clog stuff up. just know im enjoying it. I hope you guys are too :D

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Notorious B.I.G. - Juicy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZom_gVfuw

Just because it's an obvious choice doesn't make it a wrong one at all. This may not have been the biggest single from Ready to Die (that was probably "Big Poppa"), but I think this one holds up the best.

Is it an obviously marketable song? Maybe, it's not nearly as heavy as what comes before it on the album - "Things Done Changed," "Machine Gun Funk," and probably one of the most underrated tracks is right before it, "The What." But when the sample starts... The use of the "Juicy Fruit" sample continues to piss off Pete Rock to this day (because he's 99% positive Puffy copied his homework on it and is probably right) but it's setting such a vibe. It's the ray of sunshine after a day full of dark clouds and rain.

Lyrically, this is where Biggie gets to spin himself the rags to riches story ("birthdays was the worst days / now we sip champagne when we thirsty") while keeping the edge the rest of the album has but still being incredibly approachable.

And, come on. It's Biggie. One of the cornerstones of 1990s hip hop. The evolution of Big Daddy Kane, the predecessor to what Jay-Z would eventually morph into much later. He's in a similar vein to Jimmy Hendrix - an absolute comet flashing by that changes everything but is gone too soon.

insane anime
Aug 5, 2018

Party Boat posted:

Witness (1 Hope) - Roots Manuva (2001)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP7L16A8Hs

:britain:

- absolutely filthy bassline that was supposedly from Roots trying to recreate the Doctor Who theme
- flow that keeps jumping between time signatures with constant rhymes
- it would be a reach to call this grime but it's definitely got some shared dub / dancehall influences and Roots was unapologetically British long before grime got international recognition, rapping about pints of bitter and cheese on toast
- he might have actually made up the word "cruffiton" for this track as every source for it refers back to the song??
- if it's got a weakness it's that all the best lines are in the lead up to the first chorus but those twenty bars are loving amazing and do not let up:

also this shouldn't have any bearing on its inclusion but the video makes me laugh every time

loving dope

insane anime
Aug 5, 2018

alright im all caught up. this is badass. i love what everyone is writing. if u click the nomination links in the op you can see what each song means to the person who posted (9/10 times.) how sweet. Lol

highme
May 25, 2001


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


harperdc posted:

Notorious B.I.G. - Juicy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZom_gVfuw

Just because it's an obvious choice doesn't make it a wrong one at all. This may not have been the biggest single from Ready to Die (that was probably "Big Poppa"), but I think this one holds up the best.

Is it an obviously marketable song? Maybe, it's not nearly as heavy as what comes before it on the album - "Things Done Changed," "Machine Gun Funk," and probably one of the most underrated tracks is right before it, "The What." But when the sample starts... The use of the "Juicy Fruit" sample continues to piss off Pete Rock to this day (because he's 99% positive Puffy copied his homework on it and is probably right) but it's setting such a vibe. It's the ray of sunshine after a day full of dark clouds and rain.

Lyrically, this is where Biggie gets to spin himself the rags to riches story ("birthdays was the worst days / now we sip champagne when we thirsty") while keeping the edge the rest of the album has but still being incredibly approachable.

And, come on. It's Biggie. One of the cornerstones of 1990s hip hop. The evolution of Big Daddy Kane, the predecessor to what Jay-Z would eventually morph into much later. He's in a similar vein to Jimmy Hendrix - an absolute comet flashing by that changes everything but is gone too soon.

I was too deep into my backpack to appreciate Biggie contemporaneously so all of my appreciation has been posthumously. I don’t remember what big journo outlet did it, but in the last year or so there was this great article about how Juicy is this perfect time capsule/love song to hip hop. I’ll see if I can find it.

One of my favorite dumb twitter moments is Juicy related. Had a friend tweet out something like “every Saturday crack attack, mr magic garbage y’all” and then like 2 or 3 months later followed that up with a reply to one of those “gun to your head, what song can you rap word for word” tweets with Juicy.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GND7sPNwWko i want to submit RUN-DMC's Rock Box

This song is from 1984 but still sounds fresh. The clip has a classic ridiculous white guy intro that would later be copied in a lot of other rap clips. Lots of energy and fun here, and it's probably the first rap song to use rock elements like an electric guitar, but does so in a way that perfectly blends with the rap beat and the lyrics. The actual lyrics are short but really sustained and cohesive, lots of alliteration and rhyme throughout but never reaching for anything. Not a single second of this song sucks and it always makes me feel good immediately

Deep Glove Bruno
Sep 4, 2015

yung swamp thang

harperdc posted:

Notorious B.I.G. - Juicy
great writeup. while i wouldn't necessarily agree with juicy as the choice, you argue it well. my juicy story is a friend of mine and i used to do the iconic opening lines and replace word up magazine with whatever esoteric magazine titles we could find to crack ourselves up.
it was all a dream, i used to read cat fancy magazine
it was all a dream, i used to read cigar aficionado magazine
and so on

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

(The best rap song of all time is T.R.O.Y. for reasons already stated. It tells a wonderful, loving story, it's got a legendary producer at his peak, its soulful and lasting etc. It calls to mind warm reflections of the people I love and miss and when art can do that effectively it's very special.)

I think this conversation will naturally gravitate toward songs that have had time to breathe and fill out a legacy as classics, which makes me feel loving old since there's like TI and Clipse and poo poo listed here which were foundational to me developing my music taste as a budding retard, so with that in mind I'm going to endorse pretty much all the 90s and 80s suggestions and focus on the 00s-on when thinking about my nomination. Still, I hope to see recognition for Wu-Tang, De La Soul, Snoop, Pharcyde, Busta Rhymes, Fugees as well. Hell even Will Smith made perfect party rap for a whole decade, but an argument for Miami as the best ever rap song is very very narrow.

So I guess with that in mind I gotta think on the 00s. Bear with me as I work through this decision via text. 50 Cent's Tyson-style reign had its peak with Hate It or Love It which I guess Game will tell you is all his. Scarface's On My Block hits a lot of the same notes as T.R.O.Y. for me but it doesn't have the same depth. Jay Electronica's Exhibit C is so good he could never really follow it up no matter what he did after it. My favorite T.I. song is What You Know because that production is loving powerful. Kanye West hit different tracks out of the park on his first four albums (among them Jesus Walks, Diamonds from Sierra Leone, Good Life, and Street Lights). I have the chorus of Trick Daddy's I'm a Thug stuck in my head regularly. Of course I've got a huge list of songs I'm *not* picking and there's a million more in the conversation that I'll feel dumb for forgetting in like an hour.

What I am nominating from the 00s is this classic:

UGK ft. Outkast - Intl. Player's Anthem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLNzTZVvoWs

Pimp C and Bun B are legends in their own right, but for me Andre 3000 and Big Boi really pull the track to its heights. Outkast's music means a lot to me as Hey Ya was my bridge into the genre and I went backward from there after that. Getting to see them on their halfhearted reunion tour was bittersweet and I won't soon forget it.

The beat's crazy. Juicy J gets a credit because it was originally a 3 6 Mafia song that didn't take off or something, so that's cool. Everyone has a good-to incredible verse on this and they manage to tell stories that basically run the gamut of their experience with women. It's touching, funny, and always impressive. Iconic video too. Just a perfect song for driving by yourself or blasting at a function. It's the best rap song of the 2000s.

~~~~~

I guess when it becomes easier to produce and mass distribute music via the internet everyone's gonna try to do it. There's just so much music that I know I probably missed some increedible poo poo, but for the first half of the decade I was pretty dug in to all sorts of stuff from the full spectrum. Freddie Gibbs' Thuggin with Madlib sticks out to me. I hadn't picked something he was involved in for the 00s, I'd probably put up Big Boi and Gucci Mane's Shine Blockas. A$AP and Odd Future are linked in my heart and both had some incredible early stuff with poo poo like Peso and Orange Juice. I didn't expect Tyler to be the one that really evolved out of it but he's really excelled as he got older. Fetty Wap wasn't really a one-hit wonder with Trap Queen but he was a one-album one, though it's probably one of the best albums of the decade. Migos and Young Thug kept Atlanta rising with the cloned Gucci Mane doing his part too I guess. Obviously Kendrick and TDE had some great stuff. I'm particularly mindful of Danny Brown being an incredible spaz for a decade.

There's a lot more but I realized I'd never stop so instead I'll get to it.

Kanye West ft. Pusha T - Runaway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhEoCOWUtcU

For my money My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is the best album of the decade, and this is the best song on it. I posted Never See Me Again recently in another thread and this very much feels like a companion piece to it. Kanye's never been the best rapper (that's not really what you listen to him for, right?) but he comes across as raw and honest here in a way that's both off-putting and endearing. It seems to be honest reflection. It's very easy to get fake deep about this song but I think it's genuinely something that anyone with regrets about their relationships can relate to. Also Pusha T kills on this. If not for Rick Ross spitting the verse of his life on Devil in a New Dress he'd have the best verse on the album.

It's the best song of the 2010s and with the rest of MBDTF and 808s & Heartbreak set a new direction not only for himself but arguably for the genre.


2020s are Griselda's bitch doot doot doot doot doot doot


rap music rules

Somebody fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jan 15, 2022

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insane anime
Aug 5, 2018

gently caress you dude. sincerely gently caress you. i was going to nominate danny browns 30 you piece of poo poo and international players anthem lmfao

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