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Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Izzhov posted:

I never listened to Serial, but everyone says it's a big deal, hugely important for the history of true crime dramas... but no one ever says if it's *good*.

Still worth listening to in TYOOL 2022?

Season 1 is good, OP. I would recommend watching the HBO series "The Case Against Adnan Syed" after you listen to the first season of Serial to get another perspective on the case.

https://www.hbo.com/the-case-against-adnan-syed

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TK8325
Sep 22, 2014



i thought it was boring and never finished it but i did watch "the night of" with john turturro and riz ahmed and enjoyed that

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Lol Adnan walked free today

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
I was on the fence until the very end when the co-host did a little review of "He really would have to be the unluckiest guy ever," especially with the lack of explanation of the "butt dial." The totally did it.

That said S-Town is better.

Flowers for QAnon
May 20, 2019

Mu Zeta posted:

Lol Adnan walked free today

He’s so guilty, lol

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

They never solved the real mystery, who was the girl who said "Mail Kimp"?

remigious
May 13, 2009

Destruction comes inevitably :rip:

Hell Gem
Ok I totally think he did it and I feel like I’m in crazy town that the majority of people think he’s innocent.

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

remigious posted:

Ok I totally think he did it and I feel like I’m in crazy town that the majority of people think he’s innocent.

:same:

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

remigious posted:

Ok I totally think he did it and I feel like I’m in crazy town that the majority of people think he’s innocent.

He 100% did it. They often ask variations of the same question "why would a teenager trying to cover up a murder do that? It doesn't make sense!" That hypothetical is not exonerating. Teenage boys are morons and famously not forward thinking.

Listen to enough of an episode to get the vibe and then go watch Only Murders In The Building and laugh at Tina Fey's Sarah Koenig Cinda Canning crime podcast host character. It's a funny show.

Womblemania
Sep 4, 2022

by Hand Knit
Adnan very much did it and it was very obvious if you have Canadian sensibilities.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Oh did they catch her real ex-boyfriend?

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

white women have done it again

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49

TK8325 posted:

i thought it was boring and never finished it but i did watch "the night of" with john turturro and riz ahmed and enjoyed that

That’s a real good show

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

remigious posted:

Ok I totally think he did it and I feel like I’m in crazy town that the majority of people think he’s innocent.

I wouldn't be surprised but also recognize I've been prejudiced by listening to Koenig's "ok all the evidence is highly damning but would a real convicted killer be polite and cute and have sad eyes???" defense of the guy

Kirk Vikernes
Apr 26, 2004

Count Goatnackh

Imagine listening to someone farting into a microphone for 30 minutes at a time, op.

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



I enjoyed it for the time but probably would be disgusted if I tried listening again. I remember thinking the prosecution was hosed and he deserved another trial but that he still probably did it.

I remember the alternative killers theories they brought up sounded really dumb.

SeANMcBAY fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Sep 20, 2022

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



My favorite Serial memory was where SK asks "What about that bad thing you did with the mosque money?" and he manipulates her into never suspecting him again.

Also she casually drops somewhere that they had 60 hours of phonecalls every week

Rev. Melchisedech Howler
Sep 5, 2006

You know. Leather.
S Town is way better if also very guilty of the narcissism, vocal fry poo poo mentioned ITT

Revins
Nov 2, 2007





tune the FM in to static and pretend that its the sea

Nooner posted:

Ya its pretty good OP, i like golden grams :classiclol:

you made me want golden grahams now bitch!!!

ty gonna grab some tomorrow now:yum:

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape
The Onion's

"A Very Deadly Murder"

Is a fantastic send up of these types of podcasts, highly recommend

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

Revins posted:

you made me want golden grahams now bitch!!!

ty gonna grab some tomorrow now:yum:

gently caress sake guess im on the train too.

Its the best cereal for outside breakfast time imo.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


canyoneer posted:

He 100% did it. They often ask variations of the same question "why would a teenager trying to cover up a murder do that? It doesn't make sense!" That hypothetical is not exonerating. Teenage boys are morons and famously not forward thinking.

Listen to enough of an episode to get the vibe and then go watch Only Murders In The Building and laugh at Tina Fey's Sarah Koenig Cinda Canning crime podcast host character. It's a funny show.

Tina Fey made a whole sub-plot on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt about how a credulous true crime sucker helped to free the guy who had kidnapped and imprisoned the Kimmy Schmidt character for most of her life. I think Fey has a particular axe to grind with this type of media.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Adnan did it and now Sarah Koenig is free to bang him like she obviously wanted all along.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Sep 20, 2022

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 23 days!
It doesn't matter if it holds up because there'll be another one right after it.

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49
It’s overpriced but the generic stuff is actually tastier.

Child Trebuchet
Sep 4, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

bar88537 posted:

Serious post: I noticed that Serial started a trend where the narrator tells the story of how they discovered and felt about the story and it's about the experience of the narrator rather than the story itself.

I hate this. I hate it when a good podcast starts turning this way as well, becoming more focused on the hosts as their popularity increases, making it about themselves as I guess its easier than putting in the effort of making good episodes which is what made them popular to begin with.

Unfortunately the para-social aspects of online celebrity make podcasts like this viable.

Thorgot
Apr 4, 2010
BJ Novak just released a movie called Vengeance exploring that complaint. It's about a podcaster investigating a death he cares nothing about.

I didn't like the movie but it certainly feels well timed.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

Cubone posted:

I love season 1, I think it's great, I've listened to it three times

but I accept that reality doesn't make sense and I feel no need to impose the illusion of order or meaning onto a stochastic universe
if that's not you, you might not like it

if you can reconcile with the simple reality that cause cannot be retroactively determined by examining effect, serial season 1 is a compelling exploration of how messy and nonsensical real world mysteries actually are, where (minor, vague spoilers) the man who discovers a dead body turns out to be a serial sex offender with a history of indecent exposure, but this has nothing to do with the murder, an emotional and evocative clifftop confession turns out to probably have never happened, an extremely important phone call was placed on a parking lot payphone that might never have existed, a child witness with a very specific and unlikely story bullishly recants and denies that he ever made such a claim, a famously competent defense attorney appears to have quietly been consumed by her own mystery drowning in debt and neglecting her casework for unknown reasons, and federal agents solemnly affirm to the reporter investigating that the truth has almost no bearing on the outcome of a case.

I like to compare it to the movie Mulholland Drive- it has all the feel of a mystery, but none of the satisfying answers

if you prefer concrete answers, the good version of Serial is an hbo documentary called The Jinx, and it's satisfying because the people making it knowingly sat on evidence and willfully obfuscated information to make the audience believe that the reality was more uncertain than it actually was

This. I wouldn't say Serial was great but thought it was good and it would be interesting to listen to it now. Some random thoughts:

* it's got a very This American Life style, where it's more about the investigation of the story rather than the story itself, with a slightly naive reporter thinking out loud, color commentary on the details of the production, endless what-if questions put to the audience, diversions into quirky side stories and characters, etc. And that middle-aged hipster This American Life audience lapped it up.

* on that point, It's an interesting study in how the true crime community reacts to and processes stories. Spoiler, it turns out that most armchair detectives are complete idiots

* maybe it wanted to be a murder mystery / crusading reporter solves crime story, maybe it started out as that but mostly what it's about is, as Cubone said above, just how tangled and weird the world is and how can we possibly solve crime in that world. Can you really rely on witnesses? What would your memory be like of a random day 4 weeks ago? Do people do things for a reason or just because? Is the law even consistent? Why can't we tell if a simple payphone was present and working at tha given location?

* on balance, I feel that Syed probably was involved but there's so much ambiguity and evidence cherry picking that no outcome would surprise me

* I enjoyed season 2 but it's a different type of story and i suspect a lot of people found the protagonist hard to like

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

Child Trebuchet posted:

I hate this. I hate it when a good podcast starts turning this way as well, becoming more focused on the hosts as their popularity increases, making it about themselves as I guess its easier than putting in the effort of making good episodes which is what made them popular to begin with.

Unfortunately the para-social aspects of online celebrity make podcasts like this viable.

I've abandoned so many podcasts as they slowly edged over into the 20 minutes rambling about catch-ups, what they did this week, what they're eating and drinking, callbacks to some performance they did at a Williamsburg bar, then the sponsor break, 10 minutes of content, 10 of heartfelt admissions about their lives and losses, then 20 more minutes of promoting their side projects, books, selling tickets to shows, etc.

Like, I listen to you for amusing reviews of bad movies, not to hear about your divorce and a sales pitch for a show in San Diego.

thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat
I had zero interest in Serial and never listened to it but watched the HBO documentary. Why are so many people convinced here so convinced he did it?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Strange Poon posted:

I had zero interest in Serial and never listened to it but watched the HBO documentary. Why are so many people convinced here so convinced he did it?

Because he very probably did it.

thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Because he very probably did it.

thanks for the effortpost

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

nonathlon posted:

I've abandoned so many podcasts as they slowly edged over into the 20 minutes rambling about catch-ups, what they did this week, what they're eating and drinking, callbacks to some performance they did at a Williamsburg bar, then the sponsor break, 10 minutes of content, 10 of heartfelt admissions about their lives and losses, then 20 more minutes of promoting their side projects, books, selling tickets to shows, etc.

Like, I listen to you for amusing reviews of bad movies, not to hear about your divorce and a sales pitch for a show in San Diego.

y'all need 250+ episode The History Of podcasts with bad to appalling production value.

Child Trebuchet
Sep 4, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

War and Pieces posted:

y'all need 250+ episode The History Of podcasts with bad to appalling production value.

Honestly, I love a podcast (or audiobook) with the audio quality of AM radio.

Thranguy
Apr 21, 2010


Deceitful and black-hearted, perhaps we are. But we would never go against the Code. Well, perhaps for good reasons. But mostly never.

Strange Poon posted:

I had zero interest in Serial and never listened to it but watched the HBO documentary. Why are so many people convinced here so convinced he did it?

Someone had to have done it and there are no other plausible suspects.

Which shouldn't be enough to convict, but is enough to draw a conclusion.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I glanced through the posts here, did...everyone miss that Syed's conviction was overturned and he's being released?

quote:

Adnan Syed, center, leaves the Elijah E. Cummings Courthouse, Monday, Sept. 19, 2022, in Baltimore. A judge has ordered the release of Syed after overturning his conviction for a 1999 murder that was chronicled in the hit podcast “Serial.” (AP Photo/Brian Witte)

Adnan Syed, center, leaves the Elijah E. Cummings Courthouse, Monday, Sept. 19, 2022, in Baltimore. A judge has ordered the release of Syed after overturning his conviction for a 1999 murder that was chronicled in the hit podcast “Serial.” (AP Photo/Brian Witte)

BALTIMORE (AP) — A Baltimore judge on Monday ordered the release of Adnan Syed after overturning Syed’s conviction for the 1999 murder of high school student Hae Min Lee — a case that was chronicled in the hit podcast “Serial,” a true-crime series that transfixed listeners and revolutionized the genre.

At the behest of prosecutors who had uncovered new evidence, Circuit Court Judge Melissa Phinn ordered that Syed’s conviction be vacated as she approved the release of the now-41-year-old who has spent more than two decades behind bars. There were gasps and applause in the crowded courtroom as the judge announced her decision.

Phinn ruled that the state violated its legal obligation to share evidence that could have bolstered Syed’s defense. She ordered Syed to be placed on home detention with GPS location monitoring. The judge also said the state must decide whether to seek a new trial date or dismiss the case within 30 days.

“All right Mr. Syed, you’re free to join your family,” Phinn said as the hearing ended.
https://apnews.com/article/baltimor..._source=Twitter

thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat

mobby_6kl posted:

I glanced through the posts here, did...everyone miss that Syed's conviction was overturned and he's being released?

https://apnews.com/article/baltimor..._source=Twitter

This is one of the reasons I was asking, wasn't looking to argue if he did or didn't but if there was something especially damning that maybe was in Serial? It's been awhile since I saw the Docuseries so I could be mis-remembering but there seemed to be a definite case to be made that the police were railroading him. I didn't walk away with the impression that he was definitely guilty at all.

Gasmask
Apr 27, 2003

And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee

Kirk Vikernes posted:

Imagine listening to someone farting into a microphone for 30 minutes at a time, op.

Are we talking a single 30 minute fart or like 30 minutes of normal farts with gaps in between?

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Flowers for QAnon posted:

He’s so guilty, lol

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Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
I get all my true crime from The Internet Historian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9KBwqGxTI

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