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TheMcD posted:Gotta be Iraq. You can form loving Babylon, how is that not the best thing ever? Ireland gets to start out with UK's super-technology. Sadly, Ireland's only resources are fish and cattle, so industrializing might be a challenge.
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Do Bavaria. Vicky2 is best when your playing in the European Thunderdome as a second rate power. Most countries else where have a bad tendancy toward the boring and easy as you have really limited options when you start out and no serious opposition once you get going. Bavaria has lots of possibilities and lots of really powerful enemies in every direction.
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TheMcD posted:Gotta be Iraq. You can form loving Babylon, how is that not the best thing ever? The fascist Babylon flag is a black flag with the seven-headed dragon Tiamat on it. It loving owns. edit: someone needs to make a flavor mod for Babylon. I want events and decisions about building tacky neopagan ziggurnauts, calling Islam a decadent Semitic religion and trying to revive the worship of marduk. SickZip fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Dec 17, 2013 |
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SickZip posted:Do Bavaria. Vicky2 is best when your playing in the European Thunderdome as a second rate power. Most countries else where have a bad tendancy toward the boring and easy as you have really limited options when you start out and no serious opposition once you get going. Bavaria has lots of possibilities and lots of really powerful enemies in every direction. German minors are a BAD idea. I'm pretty sure NGF just outright annexes you if you're in their SOI when they form the German Empire. That, ot you can refuse and be jumped on by the German Empire almost instantly. TheMcD posted:Gotta be Iraq. You can form loving Babylon, how is that not the best thing ever? You can form the Byzantine Empire as Greece, but it requires actually playing as Greece. Not worth it.
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Gantolandon posted:German minors are a BAD idea. I'm pretty sure NGF just outright annexes you if you're in their SOI when they form the German Empire. That, ot you can refuse and be jumped on by the German Empire almost instantly. Bavaria is a bit different. If you can play it right (and I trust in Patter Song's ability to do so since I have no reason to doubt his credentials), you can play off of Prussia's and Austria's hateboner for each other to cripple the former (by annexing the Rheinland and occupying them for a while) and steal the minors from the sphere of the latter to form the SGF. Still, if you can't form the SGF, yeah, then you're hosed.
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Gantolandon posted:German minors are a BAD idea. I'm pretty sure NGF just outright annexes you if you're in their SOI when they form the German Empire. That, ot you can refuse and be jumped on by the German Empire almost instantly. Pity the poor men who try to play Greece. What I'm say is, pity me for ever trying - pre AND post crisis system.
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Gantolandon posted:German minors are a BAD idea. I'm pretty sure NGF just outright annexes you if you're in their SOI when they form the German Empire. That, ot you can refuse and be jumped on by the German Empire almost instantly. I wouldn't advise Saxony or any of the other German minors but Bavaria can easily be a Great Power by the time the AI is close to forming Germany, the AI manages it all the time if your slow. Alternately, play the diplomatic game and get Russia/France/The-Other-German-Major to help you smash up Prussia/Austria if they start getting close. It adds difficulty and another thing you have to manage. edit: actually, Luxembourg is really cool too. Really really hard unless you manage diplomacy perfectly and get lucky, but you get to form a German Empire with N. German, S. German, and French (  ) as accepted cultures.
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Dec 17, 2013 00:24
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I vote for Bavaria, with Johore as backup.
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Zulu, in honor of recent events.  Yes, I know Mandela was Xhosa. It's as close as we're going to get.
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Dec 17, 2013 00:30
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Zulu or Austria. From the greatest to the smallest.
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TheMcD posted:Still, if you can't form the SGF, yeah, then you're hosed. There's also gamey abuse of "Crown from the Gutter" to let yourself become "Germany" early and start annexing the minors with all your free cores, usually by waiting until France and Prussia are at war and then DOWing Prussia and adding "Restore Order" CB to every individual minor and then Prussia itself while the Prussian army's marching around Normandy. Yes, I've done that, and no, that's not what I'll do here. Crown From the Gutter Germany is a Con Mon with the Republic flag and liberal political reforms, and Mad King Ludwig isn't going to take that unless there's no other option.
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Viva La Mexico We have a lot of Afro-Eurasia LPs going on right now - let's have some good old-fashioned fights over Texan oil.
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Patter Song posted:There's also gamey abuse of "Crown from the Gutter" to let yourself become "Germany" early and start annexing the minors with all your free cores, usually by waiting until France and Prussia are at war and then DOWing Prussia and adding "Restore Order" CB to every individual minor and then Prussia itself while the Prussian army's marching around Normandy. Taking any sort of crown from the gutter is a terrible, terrible thing, and I would protest any usage of it in any Vicky 2 LP.  Good to hear that won't be happening.
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Dec 17, 2013 00:54
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ZULUUUUU!
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The Sandman posted:Zulu, in honor of recent events. If POP ever comes up, we could do Xhosa. Though it's DOW Day 1 by Britain.
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Dec 17, 2013 01:23
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Gonna vote for Bavaria
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Dec 17, 2013 02:17
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I'm casting my vote for the other Zulu.
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Dec 17, 2013 02:52
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Bavaria. They have very good industrial potential. I've always found Zulu a rather sad proposition because there are a hundred different cultures in Africa and the Zulu only accept their own. It's easy to get a massive population, but your primary culture pops will always be rather anemic as an African nation.
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Dec 17, 2013 05:13
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Zulu, because I love you.
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Bavaria
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Dec 17, 2013 05:25
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Johore with a back up of Mexico Because that part of the world is so seldom explored in these threads except as a place to colonize.
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Hopefully Colombia can make a rally!
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Bavaria should still be somewhat difficult.
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Dec 17, 2013 07:11
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Come on Patter Song, don't be a whimp. Play Zulu!
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Dec 17, 2013 07:40
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SickZip posted:edit: actually, Luxembourg is really cool too. Really really hard unless you manage diplomacy perfectly and get lucky, but you get to form a German Empire with N. German, S. German, and French ( I would love to see this, but if that's off the table then I'll have to say Bavaria.
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Dec 17, 2013 11:20
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Play Mexico! 
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Protect your ancestral land from the filthy yankees as Mexico
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Dec 17, 2013 13:56
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Let's colonize Europe! Zulu
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Dec 17, 2013 14:47
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Bavaria because I want to see some crises and great wars.
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Voting for Bavaria
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Comon guys, Zulu are loving badasses. I want to see how far the OP can take them. Go for African Supremacy!
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Bavaria sounds cools.
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I'm not gonna get it, but Mexico!
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I'm calling it. I'm counting 19 Bavaria, 16 Zulu, no one else close. Anyone care to double-check that? Sorry to all you Zulu/Johore fans, we'll be going with Bavaria. Bavaria was actually my first-ever V2 game, back in V2 vanilla. Bavaria's since been nerfed somewhat to prevent it from breaking up German unification, but even with the nerfs it's still one of the best tags around for technological and cultural domination. Bavaria's 70% literacy (was 80% in earlier versions of V2) give it an early edge in teching and research and its three state setup allows it a reasonable shot at achieving Great Power status on its own merits even in AI hands. However, Bavaria has one glaring problem. If it has all the South German lands owned or sphered, it will annex Baden and Wurtemburg (and Austria if it happens to be in Bavaria's sphere) and form the South German Federation. However, if you look at the map on the first page, one South German province, the traditional Hohenzollern family holding of Sigmaringen, is in Prussian hands. If we want to have any shot at this, we need to somehow pry that out of Prussia's hands. It gets worse: if we aren't a Great Power when we get Sigmaringen, we'll probably be in Austria's sphere. If we take it then, Austria will enact it's Form South German Federation decision, which annexes us, Baden, and Wurtemburg and releases the SGF in its place as a puppet of Austria. This would be game over for us. We need to take Sigmarignen, but not too early...but if we wait too long, Prussia will form the North German Federation and become a military behemoth. Bavaria is all about needling this narrow gap.
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drat, I just wanted to vote Bavaria. Then again, it won, so I'm happy. Looking forward to the first post, Patter.
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Patter Song posted:However, if you look at the map on the first page, one South German province, the traditional Hohenzollern family holding of Sigmaringen, is in Prussian hands. If we want to have any shot at this, we need to somehow pry that out of Prussia's hands. I've always wondered how historical this was. It would probably be too easy for Austria to form the SGF without it, but I've always thought it was weird that Prussia had that little enclave surrounded by south Germans who start in Austria's Sphere.
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Xenoborg posted:I've always wondered how historical this was. It would probably be too easy for Austria to form the SGF without it, but I've always thought it was weird that Prussia had that little enclave surrounded by south Germans who start in Austria's Sphere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Hohenzollern It was pretty much inevitable with German minors from the HRE being the clusterfuck they are.
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Aw, I was looking forward to African Supremacy.
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Xenoborg posted:I've always wondered how historical this was. It would probably be too easy for Austria to form the SGF without it, but I've always thought it was weird that Prussia had that little enclave surrounded by south Germans who start in Austria's Sphere. The idea of Bavaria, Baden, and Wurttemberg getting together and deciding to form a South German state independent of Berlin or Vienna, but balking upon the realization that a tiny bit of Württemberg is in Prussian hands is hilarious.
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