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naem
May 29, 2011

SF used to pay people $500 a month to register as homeless as a good deed type thing and people moved here just to be homeless

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a misanthrope
Jun 21, 2010

:burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug:

Oil Can Boyd posted:

i was homeless for like 7 months and i couch surfed/was practically homeless for 2 other years beyond that

see?

you guys coulda killed sid. this is a bad plan.

porkchop_express
May 27, 2004

A misanthrope posted:

see?

you guys coulda killed sid. this is a bad plan.

still not convinced

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


A misanthrope posted:

It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets.

As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of other projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in the computation. It is true, a child just dropped from its dam may be supported by her milk for a solar year, with little other nourishment; at most not above the value of 2s., which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner as instead of being a charge upon their parents or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall on the contrary contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing, of many thousands.

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us! sacrificing the poor innocent babes I doubt more to avoid the expense than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couples who are able to maintain their own children, although I apprehend there cannot be so many, under the present distresses of the kingdom; but this being granted, there will remain an hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remains one hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, how this number shall be reared and provided for, which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; we neither build houses (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing, till they arrive at six years old, except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier, during which time, they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers, as I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.

I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl before twelve years old is no salable commodity; and even when they come to this age they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half-a-crown at most on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriment and rags having been at least four times that value.

I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.

I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.

I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this kingdom: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.

I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar's child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, laborers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants; the mother will have eight shillings net profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.

Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flay the carcass; the skin of which artificially dressed will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.

As to our city of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased in discoursing on this matter to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supplied by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every country being now ready to starve for want of work and service; and these to be disposed of by their parents, if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me, from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our schoolboys by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable; and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission be a loss to the public, because they soon would become breeders themselves; and besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice (although indeed very unjustly), as a little bordering upon cruelty; which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, however so well intended.

But in order to justify my friend, he confessed that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanazar, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality as a prime dainty; and that in his time the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty's prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court, in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at playhouse and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for, the kingdom would not be the worse.

Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed, and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken to ease the nation of so grievous an encumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known that they are every day dying and rotting by cold and famine, and filth and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young laborers, they are now in as hopeful a condition; they cannot get work, and consequently pine away for want of nourishment, to a degree that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labor, they have not strength to perform it; and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.

I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance.

For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation as well as our most dangerous enemies; and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to distress and help to pay their landlord's rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

Thirdly, Whereas the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old and upward, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a-piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, beside the profit of a new dish introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among ourselves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns; where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection, and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating: and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.

Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards or enforced by laws and penalties. It would increase the care and tenderness of mothers toward their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the public, to their annual profit instead of expense. We should see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives during the time of their pregnancy as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, their sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.

Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barreled beef, the propagation of swine's flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well-grown, fat, yearling child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a lord mayor's feast or any other public entertainment. But this and many others I omit, being studious of brevity.

Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for infants flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses; and the rest of the kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.

I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the kingdom. This I freely own, and 'twas indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither cloaths, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shop-keepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, 'till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.

But, as to my self, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length utterly despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which, as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expence and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, and flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.

After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion as to reject any offer proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, as things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for an hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, there being a round million of creatures in human figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock would leave them in debt two millions of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession to the bulk of farmers, cottagers, and laborers, with their wives and children who are beggars in effect: I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold as to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food, at a year old in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes as they have since gone through by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor clothes to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of entailing the like or greater miseries upon their breed for ever.

I profess, in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavoring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the public good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I have no children by which I can propose to get a single penny; the youngest being nine years old, and my wife past child-bearing.

The End

nah eat the rich instead

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


Lucy Heartfilia posted:

nah eat the rich instead

this i can get behind

a misanthrope
Jun 21, 2010

:burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug:

Lucy Heartfilia posted:

nah eat the rich instead

gently caress yeah!

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Not a single fucking olive in sight
The rich taste bad, ick.

BottledBodhisvata
Jul 26, 2013

by Lowtax

Three Olives posted:

The rich taste bad, ick.

Gotta eat them before they eat you

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


Three Olives posted:

The rich taste bad, ick.

im gonna kidnap and eat your dog lol

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Not a single fucking olive in sight

Oil Can Boyd posted:

im gonna kidnap and eat your dog lol

Good luck getting past my doorman.

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


Three Olives posted:

Good luck getting past my doorman.

ill throw him on the homeless person spikes

greg sexyvibes
May 7, 2007
IF I EVER FIRST POST AGAIN SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN TO ME
Things homeless people have said to me:

"It's not my fault I got lice, I didn't invent the things. Someone gave them to me."

"I can't take a shower, I'm allergic to water."

"Hey man, my car broke down, it's a nice car too. It's just down the block by the bridge. I'm trying to scrape together some money to get me home."

Then I'm like "I don't have any money."

And he's like "well could you hit up the ATM, and pull $20 out for me."

porkchop_express
May 27, 2004
things homeless people have said to me

sure i'll help carry that couch into your windowless van

a misanthrope
Jun 21, 2010

:burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug:

porkchop_express posted:

things homeless people have said to me

sure i'll help carry that couch into your windowless van

lol

Lollerich
Mar 25, 2004

The little doctors are back,
they want to play with you!

Outpost22 posted:

seriously not like torture them or anything, but like two bullets to the back of teh head

no one would miss them
Telling a beggar that I really don't want to give them money is priceless to me. You can not put a price on that. It is delicious.

Modern Day Hercules
Apr 26, 2008

Three Olives posted:

Good luck getting past my doorman.

You are more reviled than a homeless person. If people were given a choice to kill you or to kill a homeless person you would be dead as gently caress instantly.

Modern Day Hercules
Apr 26, 2008
If a terrorist came up to me and said "I have Three Olives prisoner along with 400 innocent children. I can kill Three Olives but I'll also kill the kids". It would take me like 2 seconds of consideration before I told him to glass your rear end.

a misanthrope
Jun 21, 2010

:burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug:

Modern Day Hercules posted:

You are more reviled than a homeless person. If people were given a choice to kill you or to kill a homeless person you would be dead as gently caress instantly.

yup when the revolution comes i'm storming the highrise condos and the golf courses first

Sauer
Sep 13, 2005

Socialize Everything!
Let's not buy the Joint Strike Fighter and spend that money on solving homelessness and everything that causes homelessness. There would probably still be enough leftover to completely reform the nation's education system and introduce universal healthcare. Lockheed will lay a bunch of people but off they won't have to worry about being homeless.

Alberto Basalm
Nov 14, 2005

give the homeless guns and send them to iraq. they could probably take down ISIS quick. You think homeless people would LIKE a country that outlaws alcohol?

Al Borland
Oct 29, 2006

by XyloJW

Alberto Basalm posted:

give the homeless guns and send them to iraq. they could probably take down ISIS quick. You think homeless people would LIKE a country that outlaws alcohol?

Tell em if they take the country they can rule it.

BottledBodhisvata
Jul 26, 2013

by Lowtax

Al Borland posted:

Tell em if they take the country they can rule it.

That'd be true anyway, after all the bombings, everybody in Iraq is homeless.

Harrower
Nov 30, 2002

greg sexyvibes posted:


"I can't take a shower, I'm allergic to water."


same

greg sexyvibes
May 7, 2007
IF I EVER FIRST POST AGAIN SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN TO ME

Al Borland posted:

Tell em if they take the country they can rule it.

I'm pretty sure that would make them less likely to be involved. If they were willing to stop slamming dope and smoking meth long enough to run a country in any form, they'd probably already be recycling plant technicians.

JakeP
Apr 27, 2003

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy
The homeless could all become gay prostitutes like 3Olives and not be homeless. They bring this on themselves

Modern Day Hercules
Apr 26, 2008

JakeP posted:

The homeless could all become gay prostitutes like 3Olives and not be homeless. They bring this on themselves

Three Olives' dad only needs one prostitute to satisfy his urges and Three Olives has that covered. There aren't enough Three Olives Dads to go around.

Glasgow Kiss
Dec 12, 2007

Oh, put that thing away, Samurai. We all know what's going to happen. You'll swing your sword, I'll fly away, and probably say something like, "I'll be back, Samurai!" And then I'll flutter over the horizon and we probably won't see each for... about a week. And then we'll do the same thing again.
why dont the homeless get a job HUH

loving bums

BottledBodhisvata
Jul 26, 2013

by Lowtax

lewd

The Brown Menace
Dec 24, 2010

Now comes in all colors.


this was essentially the plot of hobo with a shotgun and it didn't work

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
honestly we should drop nuclear weapons on all urban areas and that would reduce the homeless population to a manageable size

naem
May 29, 2011

Panzeh posted:

honestly we should drop nuclear weapons on all urban areas and that would reduce the homeless population to a manageable size

That would jsut create super mutants, fallout 3???

Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib

naem posted:

That would jsut create super mutants, fallout 3???

Excuse me, the super mutants were created after the nuclear war. Ghouls are what you get from nuclear fallout, and that's barely a change from normal homeless people, so the plan wouldn't help anyway.

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Handle with Caution
Nap Ghost

Blhue posted:

Excuse me, the super mutants were created after the nuclear war. Ghouls are what you get from nuclear fallout, and that's barely a change from normal homeless people, so the plan wouldn't help anyway.

really? I thought they were just one was a Goul, and the others became Super Mutants

Modern Day Hercules
Apr 26, 2008

Pumpy Muffinz posted:

really? I thought they were just one was a Goul, and the others became Super Mutants

read the loving lore you troglodyte

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
kill all homehavers

SirEvelynTremble
Dec 25, 2013

FUCK YOU HITLER
STALINGRAD
ROFLMFAO
they're good for bum fights

BottledBodhisvata
Jul 26, 2013

by Lowtax

Pumpy Muffinz posted:

really? I thought they were just one was a Goul, and the others became Super Mutants

Super Mutants were genetically engineered, Ghouls are just what radiation does to you under certain (read: plot magic) circumstances.

If Super Mutants are Orcs, Ghouls are Radiation Elves.

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Handle with Caution
Nap Ghost

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Super Mutants were genetically engineered, Ghouls are just what radiation does to you under certain (read: plot magic) circumstances.

If Super Mutants are Orcs, Ghouls are Radiation Elves.

That can't be right. I ran in to alot of Super Mutants

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BottledBodhisvata
Jul 26, 2013

by Lowtax

Pumpy Muffinz posted:

That can't be right. I ran in to alot of Super Mutants

The whole first game has a plot regarding the Super Mutants and their ability to reproduce, doesn't it? Like they needed some gene sequence or some sort of thing, I dunno, I only watched the LP.

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