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I propose every game have roguelike elements from now on. Racing games with randomly generated tracks. Farming simulators with randomly generated crops.
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Why not, we need something to flush out all the RPG elements
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Sep 26, 2014 00:10
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Daynab posted:I propose every game have roguelike elements from now on. Gimbal lock posted:Why not, we need something to flush out all the RPG elements Shooter games with randomly generated guns! wait....
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Sep 26, 2014 00:22
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a new 50 cent game with randomly generated swears
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Sep 26, 2014 00:25
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Risk of Rain is pretty loving legit, and fun, and the "roguelike" mechanics are so paper thin it just adds to the actual game
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Sep 26, 2014 00:27
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pfft. roguelike mechanics are so last year. now it's all about first person puzzlers and half ironic simulators.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:28
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Gimbal lock posted:Why not, we need something to flush out all the RPG elements
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Sep 26, 2014 00:34
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ftl is the best roguelike ever made. also some people can beat it on hard and without pausing every time so p much every run is viable if you play it right
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Sep 26, 2014 00:36
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babypolis posted:ftl is the best roguelike ever made. also some people can beat it on hard and without pausing every time so p much every run is viable if you play it right I can't loving beat ftl and I don't know why (except me being bad at games obv) I can get to the end boss like 75% of the time but I end up dying in phase 2 or 3.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:39
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I think the best roguelike ever made is SlashEM
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Sep 26, 2014 00:40
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Daynab posted:I can't loving beat ftl and I don't know why (except me being bad at games obv) I can get to the end boss like 75% of the time but I end up dying in phase 2 or 3. are you maximizing the time spend in each sector? the game does a bad job of explaining that the real goal of the game is to grind as much stuff as possible in the time given so you can beat the final boss some other tips for the final boss: -get a teleporter and a boarding party so you can kill the triple missile asap -hacking is really really good agaisnt every stage of the flagship -if you wanna use missiles be sure to get swarm or something else that spams lots of them so the second phase doesnt wreck you if everything else fails you can just unlock the fed cruiser and focus heavily on defense (max shields, defense drones) thats basically a guarateed win
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Sep 26, 2014 00:49
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Yeah I generally try to grind out as much as I can. I haven't really played much since the expansion came out so I haven't tried out the hacking, but it generally ends up that I rarely have anything that can beat 4 shields and when I do, whichever phase is the drone phase just kills me.
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Sep 26, 2014 00:56
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Having a crew teleporter makes the flagship fight a lot easier
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Sep 26, 2014 00:57
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Rogue Legacy is massive AIDS> fag boy jim
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Sep 26, 2014 00:58
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complaining about all the games with roguelike elements like it isn't overwhelmingly a positive thing and there aren't literal dozens of good games using said mechanics Also "Roguelike" is just shorthand for retards who can't say "Procedurally Generated Content" without a pronunciation guide. Complaining that it's "not really like Rogue at all!" makes you a drat idiot.
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Sep 26, 2014 01:58
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Mach2 posted:complaining about all the games with roguelike elements like it isn't overwhelmingly a positive thing and there aren't literal dozens of good games using said mechanics procedural content is usally trash though. i think the whole design element of "anything the enemy can do to you you can do to them" is more important to roguelikes
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Sep 26, 2014 02:25
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Mach2 posted:complaining about all the games with roguelike elements like it isn't overwhelmingly a positive thing and there aren't literal dozens of good games using said mechanics if you think im gonna type 'procedurally generated content' that many times then your fuckin nuts
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Sep 26, 2014 03:01
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Because the majority of people who play and make games are loving stupid and every mechanic that can possibly result in fun will inevitably be copied by a multitude of lazy games in lovely ways. Roguelikes can be fun and often make for hilarious internet stories, therefore more people will get into them as time goes on, therefore more stupid people will become familiar with surface-level design tropes, and therefore more of those will be terribly co-opted into a trash game for idiot scum. On the plus side, more people are making games and expressing themselves with them, and that's awesome. On the downside, more goddamn retards will fill the earth with their wretched spawn, false gamers gaming for the sake of trends, more painted masterpieces for a billion monkeys to study before they fling poo poo on a canvas and call it art. Instead of Steam, I like to call it Shart, because that's what it's full of. I look up from the table and meet your eyes - another natural 20 for me, my friend. What can you say to that, you loving fakes??
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Sep 26, 2014 03:18
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Dexters Secret posted:if you think im gonna type 'procedurally generated content' that many times then your fuckin nuts How about 'procedural death labyrinth'
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Sep 26, 2014 03:20
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I like Risk of Rain, it's kind of Rogue-like-ish.
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Sep 26, 2014 03:22
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Cobweb Heart posted:Because the majority of people who play and make games are loving stupid and every mechanic that can possibly result in fun will inevitably be copied by a multitude of lazy games in lovely ways. Roguelikes can be fun and often make for hilarious internet stories, therefore more people will get into them as time goes on, therefore more stupid people will become familiar with surface-level design tropes, and therefore more of those will be terribly co-opted into a trash game for idiot scum. On the plus side, more people are making games and expressing themselves with them, and that's awesome. On the downside, more goddamn retards will fill the earth with their wretched spawn, false gamers gaming for the sake of trends, more painted masterpieces for a billion monkeys to study before they fling poo poo on a canvas and call it art. Instead of Steam, I like to call it Shart, because that's what it's full of. I look up from the table and meet your eyes - another natural 20 for me, my friend. What can you say to that, you loving fakes??
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Sep 26, 2014 03:22
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Also random generation is hard and takes a lot of time to put in, let alone make interesting and pleasant. So the things you end up seeing will be from either an actually good programmer or the most stubborn and persistent of retards.
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Sep 26, 2014 03:38
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Skifree, the ultimate roguelike
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Sep 26, 2014 03:39
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Is it fascism yet posted:U should play crawl, all the other games mentioned will give you AIDS, OP.
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Sep 26, 2014 03:45
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Sil is good too. And uh the other one.
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Sep 26, 2014 03:46
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OP, please play DOOM, the roguelike or DooMRL. Here's why. http://doom.chaosforge.org/ -It's one of the most accessible roguelikes around, due to being pretty short and also being pretty much DOOM. -There's an emphasis on ranged gunplay and reloading that feels really good. -All the DOOM enemies and guns are here, as well as some new custom guns that you can create. -DOOM sound effects and music make the game atmospheric, even when playing in the console. The tiles are good too. -While a lot of the game is randomly generated, there are tons of well designed pre-set stages as well. -Stat tracking and almost 200 achievement medals. -5 difficulty modes, just like DOOM. -3 classes and a very robust perk system let you decide what gun you want to kill hell with. -Very good wiki. -Tons and tons of challenge modes for when you get good. -And when you beat those, you can download player made mods. It's loving awesome OP.
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Sep 26, 2014 04:00
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Cobweb Heart posted:Because the majority of people who play and make games are loving stupid and every mechanic that can possibly result in fun will inevitably be copied by a multitude of lazy games in lovely ways. Roguelikes can be fun and often make for hilarious internet stories, therefore more people will get into them as time goes on, therefore more stupid people will become familiar with surface-level design tropes, and therefore more of those will be terribly co-opted into a trash game for idiot scum. On the plus side, more people are making games and expressing themselves with them, and that's awesome. On the downside, more goddamn retards will fill the earth with their wretched spawn, false gamers gaming for the sake of trends, more painted masterpieces for a billion monkeys to study before they fling poo poo on a canvas and call it art. Instead of Steam, I like to call it Shart, because that's what it's full of. I look up from the table and meet your eyes - another natural 20 for me, my friend. What can you say to that, you loving fakes?? Yeah that's basically it. Also roguelikes have a good reputation for hardcore + good design so devs latch on it for marketing/bandwagon reasons.
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Sep 26, 2014 04:09
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Dexters Secret posted:if you think im gonna type 'procedurally generated content' that many times then your fuckin nuts My point wasn't that people should stop saying roguelike, and in fact was the exact opposite. People should stop insisting roguelike means anything more than "a game with randomly/procedurally generated content and no/minimal permanent progression" Also, Spelunky is good
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Sep 26, 2014 05:29
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If all that's required to be called a roguelike is procedural content, I guess Spore is a roguelike.
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Sep 26, 2014 05:35
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don't forget the permadeath
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Sep 26, 2014 05:36
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Gimbal lock posted:If all that's required to be called a roguelike is procedural content, I guess Spore is a roguelike. Mach2 posted:and no/minimal permanent progression
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Sep 26, 2014 05:40
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Gumdrop Larry posted:Pure roguelikes are a really good genre actually and it's a shame they aren't done as really polished, full sized games more often instead of lightweight indie garbage or uninviting cludgy old ASCII stuff. It sucks that nintendo pulled the plug on the DS online stuff because rescuing idiots who starved to death was pretty rad
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Sep 26, 2014 05:55
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Thug Lessons posted:Sil is good too. And uh the other one. brogue
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Sep 26, 2014 06:40
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Complexcalibur posted:"I want to make a game but level design is hard" its this + from a game design perspective randomization prevents level memorization being a major factor rather than skill and every other indie designer is a game design nerd so
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Sep 26, 2014 06:41
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EightFlyingCars posted:It sucks that nintendo pulled the plug on the DS online stuff because rescuing idiots who starved to death was pretty rad you can still do this with passwords I think. Speaking of which I died like an idiot several months ago and had a kickass sword at the time. I haven't played since because I don't want to lose it, can someone rescue my dumb rear end?
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Sep 26, 2014 07:03
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'indie devs' are an incestuous group of pretentious assholes who infest terrible websites like gamasutra or indiedb, it's absolutely no surprise that they constantly produce games from the exact same design principles because they're a gestalt circlejerk of horrible ideas percolating in their disgusting subreddits awaiting the next "jam". currently that's roguelikes actual indie devs are freaks like toady or otaku like pixel and dev whatever they want, and gently caress you if you don't like it Bleu fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Sep 26, 2014 07:17
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nuclear throne is a roguelike I guess, go play it
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Sep 26, 2014 07:22
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Just because a lot of games that are "roguelike" are bad doesn't make them all bad. also it's become a pretty loose term now anyway. DCSS is fun until you get banished to the Abyss because you thought you could walk into a new room
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Sep 26, 2014 08:19
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DoomRL is p much the best oldschool RL nowadays
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Discount Viscount posted:you can still do this with passwords I think. Woah seriously? You can do that? Cool. If it works I'll get back to you this weekend or something
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