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white men who cant jump
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Dr Cheeto posted:People who or put toilet paper on the holder the wrong way around But if I put it on the "correct" way the cats will unroll the whole thing you fascist.
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Sep 14, 2015 18:37
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Otherkin.
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Sep 14, 2015 18:43
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skateboardjesus posted:But if I put it on the "correct" way the cats will unroll the whole thing you fascist. cat owners
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Sep 14, 2015 18:46
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Otherkin E gently caress
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Sep 14, 2015 19:05
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trans racial, probably
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Sep 14, 2015 19:06
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fat people theyre probably not a literal minority but they loving whine like one
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Sep 14, 2015 19:45
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symbolic posted:goons
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Sep 14, 2015 19:56
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straight men who get called gay just because they can't stop sucking dicks
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Sep 14, 2015 20:02
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none, we've got all the real ones.
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Sep 14, 2015 20:10
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Sep 14, 2015 20:10
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there are exactly two genders and everyone is one or the other
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Sep 14, 2015 20:11
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this is that one with the undercover detective furry right
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Sep 14, 2015 20:11
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:there are exactly two genders and everyone is one or the other no thats sexes genders is whatever you identify with (I think this stuff is dumb as hell as well but this is what people involved in this poo poo tell me)
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Sep 14, 2015 20:14
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Son of Rodney posted:no thats sexes no american culture has had only two genders for its entire history. turns out declaring a thing to be true doesnt make it true
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Sep 14, 2015 20:16
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:there are exactly two genders and everyone is one or the other I've seen some strong and reasonable sounding arguments that there can be more than 2 gender roles in society, essentially there were certain kinds of men and women that were not treated like conventional men and women. I guess a terrible and offensive analogy in the US would be how women treat flamboyant gay men, they're not really viewed the same way as a random straight dude even though they are both male. I think the genderfluid or nongender binary or whatever stuff is all largely special snowflake syndrome but I could see how a culture could develop more than 2 gender roles in a more natural and unforced manner, you could make the argument that we already have that in many cultures. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Sep 14, 2015 20:17
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Son of Rodney posted:no thats sexes ironically they have it backwards. it is very possible to have no sex, or to not be completely one sex (like, say, someone born with partial reproductive organs of both sexes). but neurologically, each gender has a distinct architecture. when one of these people claiming to be "non-binary" or whatever poo poo they've personally come up with presents themselves for study and displays a neurological architecture distinct from either that is currently known to science then I'll accept the existence of people who are non-gendered but as far as anyone informed can tell right now that's bullshit.
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Sep 14, 2015 20:19
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ArbitraryC posted:I've seen some strong and reasonable sounding arguments that there can be more than 2 gender roles in society, essentially there were certain kinds of men and women that were not treated like conventional men and women. I guess a terrible and offensive analogy in the US would be how women treat flamboyant gay men, they're not really viewed the same way as a random straight dude even though they are both male. there's sort of a failure of the english language, here. trans people are people who have the neurological architecture of one sex, but the genetic and physical architecture of the other. we don't know exactly why or how it happens, but the nature of it is something we basically understand. now traditionally, the word "gender" has meant what you're referring to: the relationship between your place in society and your sex. but, with the revelation that there's such a thing as neurological sex distinct from physical sex, and the lack of a term in common parlance to refer to this, "gender" has taken on this meaning as well, and it's in this sense of the word that I'm saying there are only two genders. socially, there can be numerous and varied gender roles, sure.
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Sep 14, 2015 20:22
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i'm the shovel
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Sep 14, 2015 20:23
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symbolic posted:i'm the shovel I'm swinging you
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Sep 14, 2015 20:24
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ArbitraryC posted:I've seen some strong and reasonable sounding arguments that there can be more than 2 gender roles in society, essentially there were certain kinds of men and women that were not treated like conventional men and women. I guess a terrible and offensive analogy in the US would be how women treat flamboyant gay men, they're not really viewed the same way as a random straight dude even though they are both male. gender != gender role there are two genders
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Sep 14, 2015 20:24
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lmbo
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Sep 14, 2015 20:26
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:I'm swinging you
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Sep 14, 2015 20:26
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seriously anyone who forces their child to wear a fursuit deserves to get murdered by burly working class fellows in broad daylight
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Sep 14, 2015 20:26
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Mange Mite posted:gender != gender role The way I see the vast majority of people use these words is: Sex = biological Gender = gender role Ie you can be biologically male but ascribe to female gender roles, so you consider your gender female.
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Sep 14, 2015 20:29
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people who self identify as sports equipment
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Sep 14, 2015 20:33
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bird person(s)
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Sep 14, 2015 20:34
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I dunno fifty shades of grey and everything maybe you'll see white people walking around in leather bondage gear to dinner and the movies instead of just pride parades
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Sep 14, 2015 20:34
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ArbitraryC posted:That seems like kind of an obnoxious distinction that revolves around ignoring you know what the other person meant in favor of trying to nitpick. If someone is saying they're not one of the binary genders they're saying they don't ascribe to the traditional gender roles associated in their culture/society for men/women and you'd have to be incredibly obtuse to not see that. lol at you criticising other people for pedantry and obtuseness
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Sep 14, 2015 20:36
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Mange Mite posted:lol at you criticising other people for pedantry and obtuseness "I'll accept there are more than 2 gender roles in society but not that people in those roles identify as something other than 2 genders" is some Olympic level mental gymnastics.
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Sep 14, 2015 20:39
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:there's sort of a failure of the english language, here. trans people are people who have the neurological architecture of one sex, but the genetic and physical architecture of the other. we don't know exactly why or how it happens, but the nature of it is something we basically understand. now traditionally, the word "gender" has meant what you're referring to: the relationship between your place in society and your sex. but, with the revelation that there's such a thing as neurological sex distinct from physical sex, and the lack of a term in common parlance to refer to this, "gender" has taken on this meaning as well, and it's in this sense of the word that I'm saying there are only two genders. socially, there can be numerous and varied gender roles, sure. How much of this "neurological architecture" is actually caused by cultural conditioning tho
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Sep 14, 2015 20:40
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ArbitraryC posted:Ie you can be biologically male but ascribe to female gender roles, so you consider your gender female. okay, so someone who is, in every facet of their biology, male, but "ascribe[s] to female gender roles"? I'm not sure why anyone would ever do that, unless you just mean something like a man staying at home to watch the kids while his partner works to support them, but I don't think most people really see that as a man deliberately adopting a female gender role, so much as they see it as the erosion of that as a gender role. or unless you're advocating that homosexuality be considered a gender? regardless, we're still talking about different things.
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Sep 14, 2015 20:42
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 before the fists start flying
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Sep 14, 2015 20:44
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shovelbum posted:How much of this "neurological architecture" is actually caused by cultural conditioning tho well this isn't my area of expertise so I can't give a full accounting of the details, but as a layperson, my understanding is that the phrase "neurological architecture" refers to the actual structure of brain tissues, of white and grey matter. I'm not sure if that answers your question, but for any more of an answer I'd have to refer you to an actual neuroscience, or at the very least material published by one. but this is so far outside anything I've ever formally studied that it should be taken as the ravings of a driveling buffoon.
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Sep 14, 2015 20:45
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:okay, so someone who is, in every facet of their biology, male, but "ascribe[s] to female gender roles"? I'm not sure why anyone would ever do that, unless you just mean something like a man staying at home to watch the kids while his partner works to support them, but I don't think most people really see that as a man deliberately adopting a female gender role, so much as they see it as the erosion of that as a gender role. or unless you're advocating that homosexuality be considered a gender? regardless, we're still talking about different things. Nah I mean even mtf are still biologically their original sex, they've just adopted a different gender role and by extension, gender. e: for clarity this is a pretty layman interpretation of sex & gender but from what I've seen it's pretty much the most common. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Sep 14, 2015 20:47
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ArbitraryC posted:Nah I mean even mtf are still biologically their original sex, they've just adopted a different gender role and by extension, gender. in that case I humbly suggest that your understanding of the experts' understanding of GID might be outdated, per what I posted above. but again, I'm not a neuroscientist.
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Sep 14, 2015 20:50
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night elves
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Sep 14, 2015 20:59
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polyamorists
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Sep 14, 2015 21:00
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:well this isn't my area of expertise so I can't give a full accounting of the details, but as a layperson, my understanding is that the phrase "neurological architecture" refers to the actual structure of brain tissues, of white and grey matter. I'm not sure if that answers your question, but for any more of an answer I'd have to refer you to an actual neuroscience, or at the very least material published by one. but this is so far outside anything I've ever formally studied that it should be taken as the ravings of a driveling buffoon. If you insist
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Polyamorists, or maybe adult-incest practitioners  This relationship is as valid as any other relationship between consenting adults 
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