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Agreed. This is the glorious future we've all been hoping for
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May 15, 2016 22:08
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May 16, 2016 15:27
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quote:Republican elites from across the ideological spectrum have pined for a Trump alternative to run an independent campaign, but Kasich isn't having any of it. He acknowledged that he has had a phone call with "somebody" who wanted him to mount an independent bid. Time is running out...
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May 17, 2016 02:38
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crowoutofcontext posted:Time is running out... Yeah a majority of deadlines for the GE ballots are in the summer months. Also many of the states have fairly large signature requirements depending on their siz For California it's around 200k signatures to get on the ballot.
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May 19, 2016 13:39
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Whoever pushes for a third party republican, do they really want to keep TRUMP out of the white house at the expense of another Clinton presidency? Or do they honestly think they could win?
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May 19, 2016 14:26
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Hilary is a disease of skin, Trump is a disease of the heart.
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May 19, 2016 21:12
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Toadvine posted:Whoever pushes for a third party republican, do they really want to keep TRUMP out of the white house at the expense of another Clinton presidency? They want the dream in which split electoral votes would allow the GOP to pick the next president. Of course I think Trump making the GOP capitulate over the last few weeks turned this into a moot point.
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May 19, 2016 21:15
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Republican elites have convinced themselves that Reaganite conservatism is the natural ideology of America instead of a weird historical aberration that briefly took hold due to the collapse of the liberal consensus in the 1970s and 80s. Trump, who is in many ways reminiscent of traditional American conservatism, scares them way more than the Democrats because his success implies that the entire constellation of consultants and think tanks that have grown fat off the successes of movement conservatism may not actually be necessary or even helpful to the Republican party any more. They want to believe that if Trump would just go away then things can carry on as they have been since the 1980s. It's very hard for them to accept the idea that the party is revolting against the libertarian economic agenda of the Koch brothers rather than just being duped by a particularly brilliant con man. So the "never Trump" movement is, at least in part, predicated on the hope that if Trump goes away then everything will go back to normal within an election cycle or two. Even if the GOP can't win the presidency they can still have a lot of influence and power and they can continue to suckle on the teat of wingnut welfare. But if the party becomes a vehicle for economic protectionism and white nationalism then that could endanger the entire scheme.
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May 19, 2016 21:25
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Helsing posted:Hilary is a disease of skin, Trump is a disease of the heart. A surprising amount of Americans would prefer to tough out an invisible heart disease than put up with the public humiliation that a warped and discolored epidermis cannot help but invite. America has an unhealthy amount of folks preoccupied with skin.
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May 19, 2016 21:37
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crowoutofcontext posted:A surprising amount of Americans would prefer to tough out an invisible heart disease than put up with the public humiliation that a warped and discolored epidermis cannot help but invite. America has an unhealthy amount of folks preoccupied with skin. A bit of a poor analogy since Trump being president would be ten thousand times more embarrassing than Hillary
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May 20, 2016 03:19
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Bakanogami posted:A bit of a poor analogy since Trump being president would be ten thousand times more embarrassing than Hillary A Trump presidency would be like a four-year long heart attack, with a constant stream of gasps, vomits, deep throat-ed heartburn burps, trembles and squeaks, but still its what a bunch of Americans find more honorable than the untoward wrinkles and warts of Second edition Clinton era.
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May 20, 2016 04:44
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:
if you do this in front of a mirror he appears and calls you fat
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May 20, 2016 04:53
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Helsing posted:Republican elites have convinced themselves that Reaganite conservatism is the natural ideology of America instead of a weird historical aberration that briefly took hold due to the collapse of the liberal consensus in the 1970s and 80s. Trump, who is in many ways reminiscent of traditional American conservatism, scares them way more than the Democrats because his success implies that the entire constellation of consultants and think tanks that have grown fat off the successes of movement conservatism may not actually be necessary or even helpful to the Republican party any more. They want to believe that if Trump would just go away then things can carry on as they have been since the 1980s. It's very hard for them to accept the idea that the party is revolting against the libertarian economic agenda of the Koch brothers rather than just being duped by a particularly brilliant con man. So the "never Trump" movement is, at least in part, predicated on the hope that if Trump goes away then everything will go back to normal within an election cycle or two. You're reading very far into things and still coming up wrong idk how
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May 20, 2016 14:55
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Toadvine posted:You're reading very far into things and still coming up wrong idk how that's not wrong or overly complex, you're just stupid idk how
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May 20, 2016 16:38
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Yea republican voters are going to turn away from fygm mentality any day now THAT'S the takeaway from Trumps popularity
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May 20, 2016 17:19
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the nevertrump movement is single-handedly keeping the bowtie industry alive
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May 20, 2016 17:22
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Toadvine posted:Yea republican voters are going to turn away from fygm mentality any day now THAT'S the takeaway from Trumps popularity Explain what you mean by "fygm mentality"
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May 20, 2016 17:26
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that usually refers to selfish hateful shitheads that refuse to personally pay slightly higher taxes so that people with less money or privilege than them can receive similar benefits Democrats have just as much of a problem with this, as evidenced by the dozens of pages of meltdowns in the dem primary thread by people making six figures aghast that Bernie wanted them to pay slightly more so that poor people could have healthcare
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May 20, 2016 17:59
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in that case Trump's protectionist economic policy isnt antithetical to free market capitalism, he isn't advocating for higher taxes or socialized anything. I guess Toadvine's takeaway from Hellsing's post was Trump is a secret democrat because he doesn't subscribe to "Koch bro libertarianism." For someone who isn't up to speed or knowledgable about current political affairs he seems awfully incredulous. Supporting open border trade and the movement of labor and capital to 3rd world countries isn't a caveat to being a stereotypical Republican unless you're part of the 1% in fact it probably hinders the average GOP voter who has a "fygm mentality."
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May 20, 2016 18:35
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Toadvine posted:Yea republican voters are going to turn away from fygm mentality any day now THAT'S the takeaway from Trumps popularity I think I figured out the problem: your reading comprehension sucks.
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May 20, 2016 21:40
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Toadvine posted:Yea republican voters are going to turn away from fygm mentality any day now THAT'S the takeaway from Trumps popularity The base doesn't really care about the FYGM stuff other than the "minorities buying steak with food stamps!" type stuff. There is no large constituency of people out there who really care dearly about balancing the budget and slashing social security and medicare, those are concerns of the establishment and donor class almost exclusively. There used to be a sizable constituency of people who liked Neoconservatism in the wake of 9/11 but 15 years later and post-Iraq war that is now a tiny constituency as well. The GOP used to attract middle class and working class voters by pandering to them on social issues like gay marriage and abortion but the religious right is losing power and those issues don't rile up the base as much as they used to. Add to this the fact that the establishment GOP and donor base decided back in 2013 that it would be a good idea to push for immigration reform even though the base hates it and now you have a full-on revolt from the base. Helsing is right that there is increasingly large disconnect between the GOP establishment and donor base and the actual voters. The ideology espoused by the donor base and establishment GOP is increasingly disconnected from the voters and unlike Hillary for example who found herself in a similar predicament they're still content with sticking their heads in the sand in response to the process. This doesn't mean that the GOP is going to shift left or that Trump is a secret liberal, just that the GOP has to turn to something other than shameless Koch sucking to get votes. Trumpism is an example of an ideology that can get votes as has clearly been shown. That doesn't mean that Trumpism is going to be the successful ideological model for the GOP going forward but I'm quite sure it's not going to be Paul Ryan's corporate crony vision for the GOP that the base is clearly sick and tired of. MaxxBot has issued a correction as of 02:29 on May 21, 2016 |
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May 20, 2016 23:06
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I'm reading too many words that boil down to "party elite think it be like it is but it don't" so congrats on expertly discerning the writing on the wall?
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May 21, 2016 23:01
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Toadvine posted:I'm reading too many words that boil down to "party elite think it be like it is but it don't" so congrats on expertly discerning the writing on the wall? Best post so far. Brevity is the soul of wit
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May 22, 2016 02:17
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I only wish William F. Buckley could have lived to see this day. Can you imagine how it would have shattered him?
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May 22, 2016 02:27
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Toadvine posted:I'm reading too many words that boil down to "party elite think it be like it is but it don't" so congrats on expertly discerning the writing on the wall? You shouldn't ask dumb questions and act condescendingly to people who take the time to answer your stupid question and then when you get called out insult them with retarded holier than thou 2cool2care bullshit 
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May 22, 2016 06:12
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Toadvine posted:I'm reading too many words that boil down to "party elite think it be like it is but it don't" so congrats on expertly discerning the writing on the wall? coincidentally, this post could also be summarized as "that is correct but lol that you tried so hard", so i don't know if it counts as a self-own
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May 22, 2016 06:17
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funny way to spell posted:You shouldn't ask dumb questions and act condescendingly to people who take the time to answer your stupid question and then when you get called out insult them with retarded holier than thou 2cool2care bullshit aww honey don't let yourself get so wrapped up in the back and forth that you forget to have fun posting e: have you see nmy new av? ZDR gave it to me :)
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May 22, 2016 20:39
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The Kingfish posted:I only wish William F. Buckley could have lived to see this day. Can you imagine how it would have shattered him? The Reactionary Mind posted:One might think the triumph of the free market would thrill right-wing intellectuals. But even the most revered conservative patriarchs worry that the market alone cannot sustain the flagging energies of the movement. After all, Reagan and Thatcher summoned conservatives to a political crusade, but the free-market ideology they unleashed is suspicious of all political faiths. The market’s logic glorifi es private initiative, individual action, the brilliance of the unplanned and random. Against that backdrop, it is difficult to think about politics at all—much less political transformation. William F. Buckley Jr. tells me, “The trouble with the emphasis in conservatism on the market is that it becomes rather boring. You hear it once, you master the idea. The notion of devoting your life to it is horrifying if only because it’s so repetitious. It’s like sex.” Kristol adds, “American conservatism lacks for political imagination. It’s so infl uenced by business culture and by business modes of thinking that it lacks any political imagination, which has always been, I have to say, a property of the left.” He goes on, “If you read Marx, you’d learn what a political imagination could do.” Buckley always knew the whole thing was a sham.
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an arresting afflatus is what kristol is suffering from
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