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Man "charity" sure is awesome when you're giving away other people's money for your own personal gain.
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Let us also talk about how Shell is turning the Niger Delta into a literally uninhabitable wasteland Let us also talk about how the US agriculture and service industry uses slaves that are human trafficked from around the world
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Jun 22, 2016 01:08
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Phi230 posted:Let us also talk about how Shell is turning the Niger Delta into a literally uninhabitable wasteland All I know about that I learned from this Vice episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Xa2oKKVR0&t=914s The Chicago story before it is trash though so I don't know how much to trust their coverage of Nigeria.
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Jun 22, 2016 03:20
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MysteriousStranger posted:But free trade is deliberately about hurting a set group of people, that's the point. I agree with your above argument, but the gently caress? The purpose of all business is to maximize profit; that's why its effects are so inhuman. There's no need to attach punitive evil to it; it's an uncaring and unfair system and that's the point. This is pro-click as all hell, anyone else got some Sinclair-style muckraking in youtube form? I'm attempting to subvert a Lutheran college.
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pathetic little tramp posted:I only buy poo poo made in America which is ridiculously expensive and I'm sure most of it is just made in prison anyway, but I'm trying. I just buy all my stuff used. But if I could know some ways to help the Bangaldeshi workers I would like to know. Also Yglesias would be a better person if he was seriously brain damaged, say by a forced lobotomy. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 23:57 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Crowsbeak posted:I just buy all my stuff used. But if I could no some ways to help the Bangaldeshi workers I would like to know. Also Yglesias would be a better person if he was seriously brain damaged. same I ride a bicycle in The Worst Place to ride a bicycle so my thoughts on transportation and economics are summed up by Calvin's Dad
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Jun 22, 2016 08:31
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Abraham Lincoln posted:I can not but hate [the declared indifference for slavery's spread]. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world -- enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites -- causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty -- criticising [sic] the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest. I may be a dumb rear end in a top hat, but this seems pretty simple to me. The United States must stand up, as the Leaders of the Free World, and say that we will not do business with slave nations. We define the qualities that make a nation a slave nation, and when a country is shown to be in violation, offer them a period of time to adjust or make a plan of corrective action after which, if no remedy is made, sanctions are put into place. Stoppa de boats. This puts the onus on both governments and the companies doing business in these places to make sure that whatever practices their local manufactures rely on do not cross a threshold of exploitation and oppression, otherwise they face the threat of having their business interrupted for unknown amounts of time. Incentivize whistle-blowing, instead of the opposite. Companies have to do what is in their best financial interests, so use laws to make the actions in their best interests moral ones. "End modern slavery" should be a pretty easy sell to the American public. And, as an added benefit, we don't have to feel like such huge pieces of poo poo, living off the products of others' misery. Our moral debt clock is loving big league, and it'd be nice to slow that down. Bring back the loving pride.
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Jun 23, 2016 11:05
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Ork of Fiction posted:I may be a dumb rear end in a top hat, but this seems pretty simple to me. The United States must stand up, as the Leaders of the Free World, and say that we will not do business with slave nations. We define the qualities that make a nation a slave nation, and when a country is shown to be in violation, offer them a period of time to adjust or make a plan of corrective action after which, if no remedy is made, sanctions are put into place. Stoppa de boats. This puts the onus on both governments and the companies doing business in these places to make sure that whatever practices their local manufactures rely on do not cross a threshold of exploitation and oppression, otherwise they face the threat of having their business interrupted for unknown amounts of time. Incentivize whistle-blowing, instead of the opposite. Companies have to do what is in their best financial interests, so use laws to make the actions in their best interests moral ones. people who use "leaders of the free world" and actually believe it 
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Ork of Fiction posted:I may be a dumb rear end in a top hat, but this seems pretty simple to me. The United States must stand up, as the Leaders of the Free World, and say that we will not do business with slave nations. We define the qualities that make a nation a slave nation, and when a country is shown to be in violation, offer them a period of time to adjust or make a plan of corrective action after which, if no remedy is made, sanctions are put into place. Stoppa de boats. This puts the onus on both governments and the companies doing business in these places to make sure that whatever practices their local manufactures rely on do not cross a threshold of exploitation and oppression, otherwise they face the threat of having their business interrupted for unknown amounts of time. Incentivize whistle-blowing, instead of the opposite. Companies have to do what is in their best financial interests, so use laws to make the actions in their best interests moral ones. How long until this guy posts in DND about how the US shouldn't act as World Police?
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Jun 24, 2016 00:43
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"We define the qualities that make a nation a slave nation"
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Jun 24, 2016 01:09
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zimboe posted:gently caress 'em. No better than talking meat.
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Aliquid posted:I agree with your above argument, but the gently caress? The purpose of all business is to maximize profit; that's why its effects are so inhuman. There's no need to attach punitive evil to it; it's an uncaring and unfair system and that's the point. Why maximize profits though? Because money is power. And the more of it you have, and just as importantly the less of it someone else has, the more everything works in your favor. It's not enough to win, you have to take other sucker out and make sure that no matter what they can never come back and compete against you or ever gain ground against you. Trade is war, and if you aren't treating it that way you're doing it wrong.
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Jun 24, 2016 01:34
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Skeesix posted:Also Bangladesh doesn't really have iron ore of its own. The very first bit of it was found in 2012. They need the scrap metal to build places for the 170 million people of Bangladesh to live. That's more than half the population of America in an area 20 percent smaller than Florida. G.C. Furr III posted:people who use "leaders of the free world" and actually believe it MysteriousStranger posted:Why maximize profits though? Because money is power. And the more of it you have, and just as importantly the less of it someone else has, the more everything works in your favor. It's not enough to win, you have to take other sucker out and make sure that no matter what they can never come back and compete against you or ever gain ground against you. Trade is war, and if you aren't treating it that way you're doing it wrong.
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ATTENTION ALL BROWN COUNTRIES*: Submit to our demands and surrender control over your economy to us or we will blanket embargo you. You have 5 seconds to comply *unless you are Cuba, in which case embargoing is suddenly capitalist imperialism.
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I don't know how the US government is going to apply embargos against countries with poor working conditions when most of the reason those conditions are necessary is because our private enterprise decides it should be so it's capitalism
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Jun 24, 2016 04:19
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stephenfry posted:ok you and Baron Porkface... while Ork's semantics are jingoistic, the substance of the argument stands. The western world should, as it has the purchasing power, wield economics to enforce ethical behavior. As it stands, despite every effort on the part of charities and the left to ~raise awareness~ of this kind of horrifying poo poo, the west destabilizes places because they aren't giving us the right prices. I agree with Ork, but the opposite is already happening and that doesn't make them wrong. So I guess I'm reminding you and Baron to break the left habit of making enemies. You are in no way in explicit disagreement with Ork. this is a terrible post i am in very disagreement with ork and you - if you consider yourself "left" but haven't even understood the first thing about imperialism or how capitalism functions then
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G.C. Furr III posted:this is a terrible post i am in very disagreement with ork and you - if you consider yourself "left" but haven't even understood the first thing about imperialism or how capitalism functions then Mercrom has issued a correction as of 09:17 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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Jun 25, 2016 09:13
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So nobody cares about the Dhaka gunmen?
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Skeesix posted:So nobody cares about the Dhaka gunmen? most of the dead were foreigners, probably capitalists, and definitely imperialists. huge victory today against t-shirts imo.
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Jul 2, 2016 19:49
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Ormi posted:most of the dead were foreigners, probably capitalists, and definitely imperialists. huge victory today against t-shirts imo. What is your avatar from?
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Jul 2, 2016 23:22
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Base Camp Blanket posted:What is your avatar from? grimes kill v. maim, brought to you in part by the government of canada, another notedly imperialist country
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Ormi posted:most of the dead were foreigners, probably capitalists, and definitely imperialists. huge victory today against t-shirts imo. yeah no one actually believes this
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Homework Explainer posted:yeah no one actually believes this by that you mean nobody has blogged it yet, but i assure you that correct opinions can take shape and spread on their own outside the anti-imperialist webring, or forbes
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Jul 3, 2016 00:20
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Bangladesh government is involved in these groups. Sorry.
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G.C. Furr III posted:this is a terrible post i am in very disagreement with ork and you - if you consider yourself "left" but haven't even understood the first thing about imperialism or how capitalism functions then
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Mercrom posted:What the gently caress do you suggest then? I wholeheartedly believe there is virtue in choosing inaction instead of rash action but when you believe the the government can't even stop companies from funding de facto slavers without being imperialist you have just guilted yourself into supporting laissez-faire capitalism. But don't you see how not accepting ships from a country where the government supports slave labor is the same as launching cruise missiles at an aspirin factory? I get that it would never happen. I get that the USA has no interest in being moral or trying to lead by example, but, get this, I think it should. I think that would be good to do. And when people (neoliberals) pretend like protectionist trade policies are going to hurt poor people  because a company like Wal-Mart, that makes billions of dollars in profit, would pass the 100% of the tariff cost on to the consumer, it makes me irate. Defending slavery because "poor Americans benefit from slavery!" is repulsive to me. "But think of the price of cotton!" is no more a defense of chattel slavery than "B-b-but my Bed Bath & Beyond toilet paper holder w/ stand!" is of modern disposable slavery.
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Ork of Fiction posted:But don't you see how not accepting ships from a country where the government supports slave labor is the same as launching cruise missiles at an aspirin factory? Obviously the least you can do is investigate both the companies and the local government to see if they are doing something anti-competitive. I guess maybe then you push for some human rights standards with your trade deals and don't just start blockading them. But yeah nothing will happen as long as people in the west can't grasp the basic concept of fuedal lords = bad and believe the only ones you don't have the unalienable right to freely squeeze resources out of are people who don't support your empire and socialists.
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