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Scalding Coffee posted:Is talking about the plot ok? As long as you don't dig too deep into the future... speculation or reaction to what we've currently seen is fine, but it's good to not get too far ahead. A sweet success gives you a "+1" modifier on the item and a random bonus on top of the normal accessory effect. You can also meld accessories to get new effects, but I haven't messed around with that too much. Rabbi Raccoon posted:Terry just can't catch a break. He's an rear end in Dragon Quest VI and joins far too late to be of any use, bringing nothing to the table that your party shouldn't already have. You could easily pluck him out and nothing would change That's a fair description. It's just really sad that in this case coming in far to late to be of any use and bringing nothing new to the table happens within a couple hours of starting the game.
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Terry is useful as a DPS guy, like Alena. Or I think he's DPS, anyway considering his skillset is similar to hers.
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I wanna say Terry has some of the best DPS in the game - at least, a walkthrough for something tough later on used him. Didn't stop me from benching him.
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Yeah uh Terry is way more than lightning flavored protags, he can clone himself and output insane damage, since his attacks are better than the Tsarevna's. Plus I kind of liked him even without playing DQ6, but that's just because I thought the protags were pretty dopey.
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I am as always late to the party but I feel I need to contribute to the discussion about Female armour in the first episode. The separated boob plate that she has would pretty much guide any projectiles and/or sword/axe hits towards the middle and the most vulnerable part of her. So yeah, bad idea, bad armour.
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There is a two day Steam sale on both games. 50% and 33% off. Not sure when the SE store will have a sale.
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Update 8 Update 8 Video Today we're diving into a bit of the quest mechanics before moving on. While a lot of quests are things like "bring me three bear asses" or "murder sixteen bears" there are some quests where you have to go into a previously played map and wreak some havoc to meet the quest objective. I consider those to be a bit more entertaining than grinding for drops so I'm going to include them, unless people start getting tired of random levels that aren't actually moving things forward. After that we're off to the forest city of Sylvea, which as anybody who's been within a quarter mile of a fantasy novel would expect is the home of the elves. They're not visible when we get there and don't seem to have a bad-rear end mayor to hold down the fort so it's all up to us. On the upside, we do have some new enemies since it's a new area as well as the traditional palette swaps. Scalding Coffee posted:Looks like defense beats out offense in this game. Your human allies are extremely good at dodging attacks. How does difficulty work in this game? It's pretty much a case of selecting your difficulty by how much you want to grind. There's not really a difficulty setting per se, although some of the maps and challenges have more difficult versions that you unlock by completing the initial version. When you go back to old maps to skirmish you can select a difficulty for the map which determines what level and what kind of enemies will be there. Jeabus Mahogany posted:I wanna say Terry has some of the best DPS in the game - at least, a walkthrough for something tough later on used him. Endorph posted:Yeah uh Terry is way more than lightning flavored protags, he can clone himself and output insane damage, since his attacks are better than the Tsarevna's. I may have been too harsh on Terry since I warmed up to him a bit when I used him this weekend while grinding, but I still feel as though he doesn't add much and even by the standards of Dragon Quest storytelling his character doesn't go very far. He's just such a tool. Thesaya posted:I am as always late to the party but I feel I need to contribute to the discussion about Female armour in the first episode. The separated boob plate that she has would pretty much guide any projectiles and/or sword/axe hits towards the middle and the most vulnerable part of her. So yeah, bad idea, bad armour. Sadly, artistic style and the need to ensure that everyone understand that this is a woman who has boobs tends to play second fiddle to actual practicality. I'm sure some people have addressed this, but I imagine that the most practical armor would probably look something like Saber's from Fate Stay Night - a solid plate with padding presumably contoured on the inside rather than the outside. Glazius posted:I like Antonio Banderas here. It feels like he's got a good sense for banter. We shall have ample opportunities to sample his banter, and discuss his resemblance to Antonio Banderas. As you can see from my previous save file we've got a lot of game still ahead.
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Those birds were called Wyverns on the NES, right? Fire monsters were not bad in the first game, but the second game was not balanced at all for them. It was like 7th Saga for most of that game.
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Hm. Yeah, DQ's never really been big on archer characters, so nobody's going to knock those Chimeras out of the sky.
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Update 9 Update 9 Video Today we're opening the gates of Sylvea, but first we have to clear out the rabble hanging around outside. This includes our first encounter with a metal slime, which does not go as planned. When it's all said and done we can afford some new gear, and then there's a quest for a new ability for our main character that we'll get to... next time. In addition to two more characters. Scalding Coffee posted:Those birds were called Wyverns on the NES, right? Fire monsters were not bad in the first game, but the second game was not balanced at all for them. It was like 7th Saga for most of that game. I'd almost forgotten that, but you're right. I can't remember if they kept the prefixes for the later versions so it'll be interesting to see. I think the second game the main issue was having a squishy mage character and not really having any great multi-heal options. The real thing I remember from that one is the late-game enemies who had party-wipe instant death spells. Glazius posted:Hm. Yeah, DQ's never really been big on archer characters, so nobody's going to knock those Chimeras out of the sky. We do have an archer character coming, but I don't know if they're actually any better at knocking them out of the sky. Luckily magic and jumping will usually do the trick pretty well.
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The second game was so badly balanced the remake added a couple more mage weapons, since they rarely killed monsters. Levels could be 1 HP and nothing else for any character and casters had half the stats of the shitkicker hero. Also lets you hold one revive the entire game and have the next to last area be a super long death march with group-killing casters and meatwall giants. That was made to be unbalanced compared to what they originally had with 7th Saga. Having an inventory limit like that looks to be a terrible idea and they still let you exceed the limit.
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Heh. The trial music is your solo protagonist music from DQ4. Wreck 'em one, children of heaven. ...also Alena wondering if they're related to the DQ4 elves is kind of sad, considering the fate of the one prominent elf in that game.
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Update 10 Update 10 Video Today's adventures start with earning the Zoom spell, which is going to be utterly critical once we start having to deal with defending multiple locations. It does just what you would think, allowing us to teleport around the map to certain pre-determined points once we've unlocked them. Our next mission to Sylvea is that kind of event. We no sooner arrive then we've got two familiar faces as new companions, who've been sent to help: Jessica  Described by one person in the stream as more decolletage than woman, Jessica hails from Dragon Quest 8 and is the descendant of a line of sages. As you'd expect, her skill set runs heavily toward elemental magic and whip attacks, along with weaponized sex appeal. She can be tricky to use, but is actually a pretty good option who can hit all elemental weaknesses in one package. Yangus  A reformed bandit, Yangus comes from Dragon Quest 8 as well and his entire deal is hitting things with axes. Hard. He can also attract monster attention, and he's got a defensive stance that can be used to tank attacks. He's a disreputable but honest sort, and he often makes use of Cockney rhyming slang. We'll be streaming tonight at the usual time and place. Scalding Coffee posted:The second game was so badly balanced the remake added a couple more mage weapons, since they rarely killed monsters. Levels could be 1 HP and nothing else for any character and casters had half the stats of the shitkicker hero. Also lets you hold one revive the entire game and have the next to last area be a super long death march with group-killing casters and meatwall giants. That was made to be unbalanced compared to what they originally had with 7th Saga. When it comes to Dragon Quest 2, I am in full agreement. The inventory limit is kind of weird and it's usually not a problem, because one of the first quests they give you is a way to increase that limit. If I'd had one more grubby bandage it wouldn't have been a problem at all. Glazius posted:Heh. The trial music is your solo protagonist music from DQ4. Wreck 'em one, children of heaven. That's true, although depending on where in the timeline she was plucked from she might not even know that yet. ddegenha fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Magic Burst? I guess Jessica maxed out her Fisticuffs stat. Which makes it a bit odd she's using a whip in battle. Also, they weren't sent in by a friend specifically to help? I'm guessing that friend had feathers, though this does make me wonder what Empyrea's interest in this particular world is. Or I suppose it's possible she's just being nice. Still, this makes the placement of their being here odd. Once you've dealt with Empyrea's quest you're (supposedly) racing the clock to stop the villain (in the JRPG sense, so you know, hours of sidequests and grinding). Which would make the most logical time for this to take place after that game is over. Or at the very least between beating the villain and the epilogue. Although if Empyrea is the one doing the gathering of heroes it makes me kinda wish that we'd get somebody from 3 here... but that seems extremely unlikely as the only unique PC from that one is the hero, and it seems pretty unlikely they're gonna bring in mains here. They'd have to give the silent protagonists lines for one thing. And names. Which is unfortunate, as I'd love to see "the guv" show everybody else what a proper super-high tension beatdown looks like. Or have Rocket show Healix how a real slime fights.
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Update 11 Update 11 Video No sooner do we get started tonight than we're in a boss battle with not one, but two bosses. This is a gimmick fight where one boss heals the other, but if you know the trick it's actually not really all that complicated. After the battle Jessica and Yangus are officially with us, and we're off to the final town that's under siege. It's Grannet, and if you guessed that it's where the dwarves live then.. well, you're on the same wave length as the writers here. As a note, we're going on vacation next week so there won't be a stream. All of the videos from last nights stream, however, will be posted before we go. EponymousMrYar posted:Luceus needs to learn the power of brevity. You can see why we went with Aurora out of the two choices. Scalding Coffee posted:A shame we left the ero bandit to get brutally murdered by Golem and Hunter Robots, while we chat up a vampire slaying woman. I am sure those Elves can defend themselves. And now I'm imagining Castlevania with Jessica as the main protagonist. Now I'm a bit curious, but I don't know that this game is robust enough to have actually changed things based on who you followed. Might have ended up with Jessica regardless. Rabbi Raccoon posted:You know, I'd really like a Dragon Quest VI LP. Either version. Tendales did a great one of V, but VI doesn't seem to get much love That is kind of weird. I'd have expected someone to have gotten around to it by now. Edvarius posted:Magic Burst? I guess Jessica maxed out her Fisticuffs stat. Which makes it a bit odd she's using a whip in battle. Also, they weren't sent in by a friend specifically to help? I'm guessing that friend had feathers, though this does make me wonder what Empyrea's interest in this particular world is. Or I suppose it's possible she's just being nice. Still, this makes the placement of their being here odd. Once you've dealt with Empyrea's quest you're (supposedly) racing the clock to stop the villain (in the JRPG sense, so you know, hours of sidequests and grinding). Which would make the most logical time for this to take place after that game is over. Or at the very least between beating the villain and the epilogue. If this is post-endgame Jessica, I suppose it makes sense that she could have maxed a couple of skill trees. There's a bit more about how the plucking of people works, but it would definitely have to be very late in the Dragon Quest VIII timeline since you don't find out about Empyrea until right before the last couple of dungeons. Sadly 3 has the problem of not having many characters with actual personalities. That was pretty much from DQ4 on. I'm going to be interested in who DQ8 introduces.
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Update 12 Update 12 Video Now that I actually remembered to put some points into Jessica and Yangus's skills it's time to actually show them off while defending one of the roots of the World Tree. After that, our next mission finally gets down to the main storyline for Grannet: a lost princess and her two new friends. We'll talk about them more later, but fans of Dragon Quest V will probably recognize them. There's still a long road ahead before they'll actually be joining our party. Scalding Coffee posted:I remember my poor merchant building a town and then going to jail in it and an old man looking to promote into a little girl. Those would have been far more memorable than most of the main player characters. Level 3 is indeed the maximum for any ability. This game front-loads a lot of your abilities if you go that way, and the key to victory is acquiring those skills and mastering them earlier.
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So, Bianca and Nera? This is... odd. I mean, going by DQ5 canon, while both of them have the potential to get married to the hero, only one of them does, but they both say they're going to get married soon. And only Nera was expecting that, as the contest was for her hand specifically. And neither of them had the extensive adventuring experience claimed here at that point. OK, Bianca had a bit, but Nera has none whatsoever before the hero potentially marries her. So this is evidently taking them from some alternate timeline. One where polygamy is apparently legal. Well, I suppose the more mundane explanation would be that Nera got engaged to that one guy whose name I forget after the hero turned down the chance to marry her to ask Bianca instead, and really the writers were probably just trying to make it ambiguous as to who it was going to be here, but I find it more amusing to imagine that the hero was subjected to harem anime shenanigans even after tying the knot.
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Edvarius posted:So, Bianca and Nera? This is... odd. I mean, going by DQ5 canon, while both of them have the potential to get married to the hero, only one of them does, but they both say they're going to get married soon. And only Nera was expecting that, as the contest was for her hand specifically. And neither of them had the extensive adventuring experience claimed here at that point. OK, Bianca had a bit, but Nera has none whatsoever before the hero potentially marries her. So this is evidently taking them from some alternate timeline. One where polygamy is apparently legal. Well, I suppose the more mundane explanation would be that Nera got engaged to that one guy whose name I forget after the hero turned down the chance to marry her to ask Bianca instead, and really the writers were probably just trying to make it ambiguous as to who it was going to be here, but I find it more amusing to imagine that the hero was subjected to harem anime shenanigans even after tying the knot. That said, Nera's attitude towards marrying Hero V was more along the line of accepting than enthusiastic. Unless the ROM translation I used made poo poo up, she was actually supporting that Hero V marries Bianca instead of her. This one night window also doesn't solve the problem of Nera having no combat or adventuring experience whatsoever.
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Update 13 Update 13 Video Today we're finishing up our mission guarding young Beryl, and after that we can finally get a bit on information about what's going on with our two new friends. Their story is starting to sound pretty familiar, but there's still some details to be fleshed out. Meanwhile, we've still got to find Beryl's father and fiance if we want to solve the problems in Grannet so we're heading into the tunnels and through the halls to see if we can't find them. Scalding Coffee posted:Are metal enemies subject to leaving the battle after a while? They are. It's not entirely predictable, but you only get so many chances to attack them and they've evasive as anything. The best way to get them is with a high tension attack, but even that's not entirely reliable since they're fast enough to get around you in the time between triggering tension and executing the attack. Edvarius posted:So, Bianca and Nera? This is... odd. I mean, going by DQ5 canon, while both of them have the potential to get married to the hero, only one of them does, but they both say they're going to get married soon. And only Nera was expecting that, as the contest was for her hand specifically. And neither of them had the extensive adventuring experience claimed here at that point. OK, Bianca had a bit, but Nera has none whatsoever before the hero potentially marries her. So this is evidently taking them from some alternate timeline. One where polygamy is apparently legal. Well, I suppose the more mundane explanation would be that Nera got engaged to that one guy whose name I forget after the hero turned down the chance to marry her to ask Bianca instead, and really the writers were probably just trying to make it ambiguous as to who it was going to be here, but I find it more amusing to imagine that the hero was subjected to harem anime shenanigans even after tying the knot. Crystalgate posted:There is actually a one night window for both Nera and Bianca to think they may get married. Hero V was participating in a contest for Nera's hand (or rather the Zenithian Shield), but upon completing the contest, Nera discovered that Bianca was in love with Hero V, announced that discovery out loud and more or less suggested a hero V/Bianca marriage instead. At this point Nera's father gave Hero V one night to sleep on it and decide on who to marry. Bianca and Nera has to be spirited away into this world at that very night in order for it to make sense and we also need to assume that time spent this world moves much quicker than time in world V. And with that, you've pretty much got the situation sorted out. In this update it confirms that they were plucked out of their own world that night while both out for a walk. The writers just like to be very coy about what's going on, and I don't recall if or when they really explain that one of the two of them is getting married. Rabbi Raccoon posted:Yeah but I find Nera more useful in battle. Plus blue hair is always better. And free Water Flying Cloths are great too Not sure if you're talking in DQ5 or here. I think I'm finding Bianca more useful, but Nera in this game has some very unique abilities and can actually affect a wide area on the battlefield. Scalding Coffee posted:When you get the two, you would have to allocate their points, which is a big deal for making them strong. We all played games where level does not match the fighting skills of characters, so most game plots really don't care about character levels. You always have villages filled with people who are surrounded by shitkicker monsters, yet they manage to stay alive, despite what merchants are selling. The plot doesn't care about that, but it is centered around the hero. In addition, just in this update they've participated in the killing of literally hundreds of monsters. That'll help boost anybody up a few levels.
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