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EvilJoven posted:If you're struggling it means you need to deport people who are competing with you
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EvilJoven posted:Well it's a good thing that climate change induced mass migration and rising populism is most likely going to eradicate most of the 20th century stability we were all born in to. the US is projected to be one of the least affected parts of the world, Trump's real plan to MAGA is to knock us all back to 1946 with America as the only industrial nation not in ruins. And probably repeal the Civil Rights Act.
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A_Bug_That_Thinks posted:If you can't find a job because the positions are filled with Indians, that's your fault for being mediocre in a competitive field. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html quote:While families rode the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and searched for Nemo on clamobiles in the theme parks, these workers monitored computers in industrial buildings nearby, making sure millions of Walt Disney World ticket sales, store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a hitch. Some were performing so well that they thought they had been called in for bonuses. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 17:26
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Maybe the gov't should worry about Americans and not the tech giants who are doing just fine thanks.
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Lol you think Trump has a plan.
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EvilJoven posted:If you're struggling it means you're just not pulling on your boot straps hard enough. Lol that an entire generation of people was taught this. Don't question why life is hard, just accept it and keep doing your job. Hard to pay bills? Don't question it, just keep working and *maybe* if you work a bunch of extra hours you'll be able to make end's meet. You're questioning the pay structure? You're wondering why your boss can afford a new car every year but you can barely keep the lights on? Well gently caress you snowflake, guess what? Life's a bitch and then you die.
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Tbh h1b sounds like a disease Or a kickstarted zombie game
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which flu virus is h1b again? I'm falling a bit behind 
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I'm not American, but I do know some really talented people whom I've worked with that have left to work for American companies because they were interested in him. Isn't the point of these primarily to keep American companies the best in the world because the American workforce isn't any more special than anywhere else? I thought it was a way to obtain exceptional talent from outside the pool of the American workforce, because there's always more talent when the selection pool is bigger. From the vibe of this thread, I'm guessing it gets abused a lot for cheap labor.
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Corporations need the ability to import and underpay large swathes of employees in the tech industry otherwise we'll look racist.
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EvilJoven posted:Lol you think Trump has a plan. 11 dimensional chess may look like random idiot flailing to the unenlightened Gimbal lock posted:I'm not American, but I do know some really talented people whom I've worked with that have left to work for American companies because they were interested in him. Isn't the point of these primarily to keep American companies the best in the world because the American workforce isn't any more special than anywhere else? I thought it was a way to obtain exceptional talent from outside the pool of the American workforce, because there's always more talent when the selection pool is bigger. it's both, really, but a lot of these jobs aren't really incredibly specialized poo poo there's a serious shortage of people who could do adequately it's like, guys making banner ads, and that indian guy who's totally dependent on the company to stay in the US is less likely to walk out for a higher-paying offer than the local who took a community college course on Javascript A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Gimbal lock posted:I'm not American, but I do know some really talented people whom I've worked with that have left to work for American companies because they were interested in him. Isn't the point of these primarily to keep American companies the best in the world because the American workforce isn't any more special than anywhere else? I thought it was a way to obtain exceptional talent from outside the pool of the American workforce, because there's always more talent when the selection pool is bigger. There's that, there is also the argument that many tech companies are using which is "there simply aren't sufficient numbers of skilled employees in the fields we are looking for." Which is bullshit but it's frankly too early for me to do an effort post around that.
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So, um, when the Democrats fail to make any appreciable gains in the mid terms who/what are they going to blame?
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ultrabindu posted:So, um, when the Democrats fail to make any appreciable gains in the mid terms who/what are they going to blame? Why the leftists, of course.
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IDK about the specifics of the H1-B program but up here we have the TFW program which in practice is supposed to be for employers that simply can't find staff anywhere to fill their positions but in reality is why almost every Tim Hortons in the country is now staffed by temporary workers from places like Southeast Asia while high school aged kids can no longer even save up for college by slinging coffee after school.
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Illegal immigrants being paid far below minimum wage to do blue collar jobs: this is basically what the thing on the statue of liberty says Legal immigrants making a taxable wage at a desk job: this is Slavery
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EvilJoven posted:IDK about the specifics of the H1-B program but up here we have the TFW program which in practice is supposed to be for employers that simply can't find staff anywhere to fill their positions but in reality is why almost every Tim Hortons in the country is now staffed by temporary workers from places like Southeast Asia while high school aged kids can no longer even save up for college by slinging coffee after school. The minimum salary for a job to qualify for an H1-B is $90,000 USD/year, recently increased from $60,000. Nobody is working at a coffee shop on an H1-B. It's also one of the main ways a ton of Canadian engineers/programmers end up in the states because the TN can be super dependent on exact job title (I have a friend who had to change his LinkedIn from his internal title of "Software Developer" to his visa title of "Software Systems Analyst" every time he went back to the states because despite the job possibly describing the same thing the first would violate his visa and the border guards loved to check all his social media), and is also a non-immigrant visa. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Also a sizable amount of TFWs here are housed in company owned lodging that is the nice way of saying a slum full of bunk beds the franchise owner bought and a large chunk of their wages are garnished for said lodging and if they complain about that or the split shifts or any of the other poo poo they have to deal with they're threatened with immediate deportation. But of course I'm a big ol racist when I say the TFW program is harmful to this country.
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Yeah to be clear H1-Bs are for SKILLED workers which is engineers not really manual labor or entry level service jobs. And yeah it is hella abused by large companies because of course it is.
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The former Disney employee who is 57 worked in project management and software development. His résumé lists a top-level skill certification and command of seven operating systems, 15 program languages and more than two dozen other applications and media. “I was forced into early retirement,” he said. ------------------------- Disney hired back half of them, anyway. Along with at least one American engineer. Why don't we just make it the law that you have to have a job?
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A_Bug_That_Thinks posted:Disney hired back half of them, anyway. Along with at least one American engineer. I bet you a dollar this is because it turns out when you hire people while barely checking their credentials and then have the people they are replacing train them you're probably not going to get great job performance. And then you get wonky space physics in your Star Wars!!!
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it's a little bit funny that Trump has chosen to focus specifically on cracking down on the subset of globalization that his base couldn't care less about and is more likely to gently caress up the people tweeting #resistance from their coastal city office all day
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Right-wingers don't actually care about exploitation, they prefer never to touch the exploiters, only the exploited.
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Trump sucks but lol if you support the H1B system Weren't goons screaming and crying when Disney replaced all their IT workers with people with H1B visas for half the price? People who had 20 years in the company were training other people how to do their own job.
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ultrabindu posted:So, um, when the Democrats fail to make any appreciable gains in the mid terms who/what are they going to blame? Bush.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:it's a little bit funny that Trump has chosen to focus specifically on cracking down on the subset of globalization that his base couldn't care less about and is more likely to gently caress up the people tweeting #resistance from their coastal city office all day Yeah it's almost like he's loving retarded
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mind the walrus posted:See also climate change. The very distinction that "warmer" does not equate to "warm" is lost on many people, including the President of the United States. to be fair, "global warming" is confusing to nonexperts, and "climate change" better captures the concept even if warming is what kicked it all off
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"when Mexico sends people, they're not sending their best *outlaws Mexico's best*"maskenfreiheit posted:to be fair, "global warming" is confusing to nonexperts, and "climate change" better captures the concept even if warming is what kicked it all off they aren't really confused they just don't give a poo poo
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Does everything need to be race based? Couldn't we just classify it as the administration's attempt to encourage American employers to look here in their own country and invest more in cultivating the next generation of skilled workers? I'm no Trump supporter, but the polarization has become so extreme that if you don't agree that every policy of the opposite party are all based on skinhead ideology looking to cleanse America with bleach, then you're one of them. It's not like this program was ALWAYS around, and it's not the like the program will NEVER come back at full force in some form at a future time, right? It feels like this is why China gets things done. Like, hey Silicone Valley nerds, come into our country and teach us your ways. ... ... Okay, thanks now get the gently caress out, we'll make our own poo poo that will profit China.
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Linnear posted:Does everything need to be race based? Couldn't we just classify it as the administration's attempt to encourage American employers to look here in their own country and invest more in cultivating the next generation of skilled workers? I'm no Trump supporter, but the polarization has become so extreme that if you don't agree that every policy of the opposite party are all based on skinhead ideology looking to cleanse America with bleach, then you're one of them. Notice how it's always "encourage" with these kinds of employers. It's never "force" or "regulate", no, that's for poor people.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:The minimum salary for a job to qualify for an H1-B is $90,000 USD/year, recently increased from $60,000. Which was a huge loving hit to the program because they were bringing people over and paying them $60k for $90k jobs. Buccaneer posted:Illegal immigrants being paid far below minimum wage to do blue collar jobs: this is basically what the thing on the statue of liberty says Yes it is. The employer holds the visa. Not the employee. The employee is left with no bargaining power or any standing.
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FogHelmut posted:Which was a huge loving hit to the program because they were bringing people over and paying them $60k for $90k jobs. plus iirc it's fixed term and doesn't help towards citizenship to contrast in canada if you're there legally for 5 years you can apply for permanent residency then citizenship 5 years after that
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FogHelmut posted:Which was a huge loving hit to the program because they were bringing people over and paying them $60k for $90k jobs. Do you think the black americans who were slaves forgot to sign up for direct deposit or something
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A_Bug_That_Thinks posted:Why don't we just make it the law that you have to have a job? maskenfreiheit posted:to be fair, "global warming" is confusing to nonexperts, and "climate change" better captures the concept even if warming is what kicked it all off
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FogHelmut posted:Yes it is. The employer holds the visa. Not the employee. The employee is left with no bargaining power or any standing. Isn't that the case for most work visas in most countries? Like up here in Canada everyone I know in tech who moved here from like, Europe did the exact same thing: Come over on a working holiday visa and try to find a job at a company who will sponsor you. But once you get that job you have to stay at that sponsor company for a few years until you get permanent residency. The only open work visas I can think of for younger people is the aforementioned one year "working holiday" and the like...two or three years you get for graduating a local university program.
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Kind of grinds my gears that you can't say the word slavery without people immediately going "oh well it isn't as bad as chattel slavery from 1700-1800s USA so can't be slavery!" I mean, by that definition, basically slaves didn't exist at any time in history except for in the antebellum US South - afaik commonly recognized as one of the most brutal systems of slavery to ever exist. I guess Columbus was worse to the Arawak. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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It's part of a passive misinformation campaign to keep the bulk of US society under the false impression that there's ever been a period of civilization without slaves of some kind. Y'know the illusory narrative of progress.
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All this means for me personally is that the projects my Indian co-workers currently do are going to be given to me, increasing my workload but not my paycheck, so in summary gently caress that noise.
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