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I think that while Shovel Knight is definitely the best and cleanest game overall, Plague Of Shadows is my favorite, and I think the story has a lot to do with that. Spectre of Torment is really angsts overall, and while King of Cards is fun, King Knight is a shallow jerkass manchild (which is fun in its own way, because it’s a prequel, means he doesn’t really get to advance as a character like Plague Knight does. Obviously the side story approach couldn’t possibly work for all of them, but I like the story formula more than the prequels. I do wish that we’d got Propellor Knight’s campaign, I think it would’ve been a lot of fun in a similar vein as Plague of Shadows.
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SlothfulCobra posted:That was the result of kickstarter stretch goals, right? It's pretty weird otherwise to just keep making new content for a game long past the release with no extra charge. If they hadn't wound up making one of the best games of all time that would just keep selling as they kept porting it, then they probably would've wound up in financial trouble by now. They certainly would've made more money.
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SlothfulCobra posted:That was the result of kickstarter stretch goals, right? It's pretty weird otherwise to just keep making new content for a game long past the release with no extra charge. If they hadn't wound up making one of the best games of all time that would just keep selling as they kept porting it, then they probably would've wound up in financial trouble by now. Pretty much. As initially described in the Kickstarter stretch goals, the playable knights weren't supposed to be much more than character swaps with some slightly changed dialogue and story. Them being full campaigns ended up being the result of Yacht Club wanting to go further beyond, and sheer scope creep that trapped them in developing for Shovel Knight for 5 more years. Plague Knight going from a character swap to a full on campaign set the bar too high for Specter and King Knight's campaigns to be something like that as well. Then Specter Knight basically being an entirely new game instead of a remix set the bar even further. They tried to downplay that by making Shovel Knight and Plague Knight, then Specter and King Knight pairs in terms of gameplay structure to cut down on development time, but gave up on making King Knight a remix since Specter Knight's skillset was way too specific, and his levels revolved around that too much, and King Knight was too different gameplaywise to settle for being a remix. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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The Lord of Hats posted:I do wish that we’d got Propellor Knight’s campaign, I think it would’ve been a lot of fun in a similar vein as Plague of Shadows. I always thought it was silly that they had people vote on the character campaigns so early on - I want to say they hadn't even designed all the characters at that point, let alone released the game.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:I always thought it was silly that they had people vote on the character campaigns so early on - I want to say they hadn't even designed all the characters at that point, let alone released the game. Yeah, when the poll started, only Plague, King and Specter were done. Wasn't much of a competition.
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"Keep your stretch goals reasonable" was one of the big lessons from all those early kickstarters. I think all the big early kickstarter games hit some kind of trouble. I think what's most disappointing to me about the ending of King Knight is that I really want to know what happens after Shovel Knight. Do King Knight's mom and King Pridemore get together? What does his mom think of him? The final boss was more of a pain than in the other campaigns too, and plot-wise, it's pretty glaring that if Joustus was meant to gather into one place, the Troupple king isn't actually there, just one of his followers. Specter of Torment has some real tonal issues, but in a way, that just makes it even more of a Sonic game.
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I dont think SoT had tonal issues and it's the only one where the character had to develop to succeed in his own way (the plague knight gag is that he already had everything he could ever want from the start of the game). It's not a "happy" ending but he does the right thing. My only SoT issue is what exactly donovan is doing during that arm swinging animation that ends up killing his friend - I think it was a push but it looks a lot like a stab The two knights I would have liked to see more of are treasure and propellor. Tinker, Mole, and Polar I dont really care about. SlothfulCobra posted:Do King Knight's mom and King Pridemore get together? No Wave fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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Kickstarter back then was basically the wild west. Both the starters and the backers learned quite a few lessons from those days. As much as it sucks that we can't see more of the knights given how good of a job Yacht Club did with the expansions, I'm pretty fine with the knights we did get in the vote. Any more and they're basically gonna be never free from Shovel Knight. SlothfulCobra posted:I think what's most disappointing to me about the ending of King Knight is that I really want to know what happens after Shovel Knight. Do King Knight's mom and King Pridemore get together? What does his mom think of him? The final boss was more of a pain than in the other campaigns too, and plot-wise, it's pretty glaring that if Joustus was meant to gather into one place, the Troupple king isn't actually there, just one of his followers. Only one of them was actually a king. The Birder King was just a ruse the Enchantress set up, and after you free him he says he's not a king at all. What happens after the events of Shovel Knight would probably be saved for a sequel or something, which Yacht Club has expressed an interest in doing. (Not sure what exactly Shovel Knight Dig counts as though.) I guess that's why the expansions were either side stories or prequels.
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No Wave posted:The two knights I would have liked to see more of are treasure and propellor. Tinker, Mole, and Polar I dont really care about. Those would’ve been two of my votes at the time, along with King Knight—I remember I only found out about it after the Kickstarter had wrapped up but I didn’t realize the vote had already happened until someone told me (Mr. Hat may as well have been my backer reward though, I sort of consider him as such. They both have an obvious mechanical hook—flight and the literal hook shot, and they’ve both got personalities that would be kind of fun to explore. Propeller Knight has the added bonus of being relatively close to being the right size—getting Polar Knight to a playable size would just feel wrong. I kind of feel like if Yacht Club were somehow forced to do one more Knight game, he’d be their choice.
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Propeller does seem like the most popular fourth choice. I see a lot of people disappointed we didn't get him instead of King Knight. I agreed with them until I actually played King of Cards and ended up loving King Knight's playstyle (though I think Propeller would have been superior from a story/character perspective). Edit: The devs had said they want to come back to Shovel Knight after doing other things so I'm hoping we get more stuff from/about some of the other knights in whatever the followup is (though I wouldn't be surprised if we got a completely new set, as I imagine they'd want to make some big changes and make it a significant upgrade). Zinkraptor fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Dec 27, 2019 |
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I think they could find something fun to do with Tinker Knight, although he lacks personality. Propeller Knight has a fun personality, but his abilities need to be greatly reined in to get some good platforming going. Treasure Knight could maybe get some hookshot action going. With Polar Knight and Dark Knight I'm interested in their history with Shovel Knight, but otherwise they don't have much to offer.
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Dec 27, 2019 21:54
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The one campaign I wanted was Shield Knight
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I think Dig is a sequel.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Propeller Knight has a fun personality, but his abilities need to be greatly reined in to get some good platforming going. They could just make Propeller Knight's campaign an auto-scrolling bullet-hell game.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I think Dig is a sequel. It's a sidequel. It's mostly being made by the other team.
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King of cards is so goddamn good
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Yeah it's pretty amazing how KoC on its own would be a pretty goddamn excellent platformer and it's just part of the whole collection. I feel kinda bad for them on their next game because honestly Shovel Knight set the bar absurdly high, especially when you consider that it was a Kickstarter game that not only succeeded but succeeded above and beyond what even non-Kickstarter games do.
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Inu posted:They could just make Propeller Knight's campaign an auto-scrolling bullet-hell game. Do it like Downwell!
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah it's pretty amazing how KoC on its own would be a pretty goddamn excellent platformer and it's just part of the whole collection. Yeah but otoh Shovel Knight X
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Junpei Hyde posted:Yeah but otoh Shovel Knight X I would happily buy Shovel Knight X or Shovel Knight 64, but I am quite content to play something entirely new from them in the meantime.
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A true Shovel Knight 64 would have the potential to be amazing, but also potentially sink the entire franchise from obtuse mechanics from having to reinvent everything from scratch to work in 3D. That was a weird time in videogames. We take twin-stick movement + camera for granted now, but it was rough when everybody was figuring things out for the first time.
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Isn’t Shovel Knight already getting a sequel next year? Or does Dig not count for some reason?
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Larryb posted:Isn’t Shovel Knight already getting a sequel next year? Or does Dig not count for some reason? Dig is being done by a different team.
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ImpAtom posted:Dig is being done by a different team. Ah, well hopefully it’ll be decent regardless though. Speaking of which, do we have a release date for that yet?
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After seeing a Shovel Knight Showdown showcase video, now the characters who I want to see get their own campaigns are Goldarmor and Liquid Samurai. Also, dang the opening to the Spectre of Torment remix of Clockwork Tower sounds great. It's still weird that they left music collection out of that campaign.
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The Steam version includes soundtracks for all four campaigns, are they missing on other platforms?.
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Huh, that's new, last time I checked, the music from the new campaigns wasn't included as part of the soundtrack in the Steam files. But what I meant was, they didn't include finding sheets of music in-game as a collectable to be played by somebody like the bard or the tuba creature. That really gives it a nice showcase.
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I just need two more character-specific Showdown achievements, then I'll be one of the 0% of players who have every Treasure Trove achievement on Steam! I've been scumming most of these with one controller and a keyboard to control two players, and got lucky with some others against CPUs for the ones that require more players as I ground out the Chester's Choice achievements. I used Reize for the achievements for finishing Story Mode on hard and scoring 100,000 points in Targets. I need: From Shadow! - As Black Knight, win the match by dodging a player and hitting them with a Dark Wave. (It seems you have to actually dodge an attack to get this instead of just do the move, but I can't figure it out) Aerial Ace - As Propeller Knight, defeat 2 or more foes without touching the ground. (No luck. I don't think the fairy battles count) Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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There was a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D4HDAYKrTo Cyber Shadow trailer, new details about Shovel Knight Dig, tweaks to Showdown mode, a new game announcement, a tease about 2 new original IPs being worked on.... But who cares about that, loving  MULTIPLAYER JOUSTUS!!!!
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So apart from Dig (which seems to be coming out some time next year), another Shovel Knight game called Pocket Dungeon was announced a little while back: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RcfQaOvgOG0 More information: https://yachtclubgames.com/shovel-knight-pocket-dungeon/ Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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Pocket Dungeon is out and I'm enjoying it a lot even tho I don't really understand how relics work. I recommend playing on Infinite, the penalty for dying is harsh enough that I didn't really need the one hit kill thing to make me feel pressured.
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