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Sep 21, 2021 19:29
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Car Hater posted:Critical mass imo, habitats are too fractured and monoculture is too pervasive to maintain breeding populations in the face of all the chemicals etc, and so we've hit the Seneca cliff for bugs. I suspect what's happening or about to happen is the phase transition effect observed in robust network topologies wherein you can keep removing nodes without the functioning of the network as a whole declining by much up to a certain point, after which collapse accelerates exponentially. It happens in computer networks, financial networks, supply chains, societies, human brains, and ecosystems. E.g. for a supply chain there may be a period where out-of-business manufacturers of a specific widget can be replaced with others (at a cost to efficiency due to transportation needs, increased stress on remaining supply, etc), but eventually you may not be able to find one at all, or one that makes economic sense. Then the collapse starts to cascade. Or: For an Alzheimer's sufferer, the symptoms may be fairly mild at first. As neuron connectivity decreases, they may get progressively more forgetful over the course of a decade, then suddenly they run out of slack as subsequent connectivity loss starts segmenting the network into mutually unconnected islands. In the span of a year they go from basically functioning to no longer being able to recognize themselves in a mirror. In a simulation it looks like this: Synapse loss and progress of Alzheimer’s disease - A network model posted:
Ecosystem and habitat loss works the same way. Multiple interdependent networks may be less robust: https://arxiv.org/abs/0907.1182 Pollinators specifically: https://doi.org/10.1111/ele.12236
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Sep 21, 2021 19:29
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Imagine four balls on a cliff,
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Sep 21, 2021 19:32
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Trabisnikof posted:or maybe just a cozy indoor space you're missing the stripper pole from the vegas house there petit choux posted:I've been hearing this for the past couple years but I must have been living in one of the places this hasn't occurred yet, the general vicinity of the Great Dismal Swamp. I'm no longer there and don't drive around the countryside as much but when I lived in eastern NC my car was always a Jackson Pollock of bugs by the end of every long drive. it's definitely variable based on region, and in some of the few places that are still a bit wild (and not baked to death) you'll often find a ton of insects still. but that won't last forever.
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Sep 21, 2021 19:33
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me, reaping nodes: haha gently caress yeah!!! yes!!
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Sep 21, 2021 19:36
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RIP Syndrome posted:Ecosystem and habitat loss works the same way. It's a good thing we were so careful to ensure all the tiny pockets of habitat were separated by effectively deserts filled with hostile predators so none of those previously integrated ecosystems could interact.
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Sep 21, 2021 19:39
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Plastic is just the planet's amyloid plaque, in a million years aliens'll dig it up and be like yeah this killed the patient, but where did it come from?
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Sep 21, 2021 19:41
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some psychological perspective on why we're hosed: humans live largely in denial of death: "you're being an alarmist" diffusion of responsibility: "not my problem" change blindness: "the climate seems normal to me" we normalize extreme phenomena very quickly: "there were always hypercanes and megadroughts" *taps papers on desk* in conclusion, lol lmao
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Sep 21, 2021 19:55
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rich people are starting to realize they are strip mining the carrying capacity of the planet and are reading up on eugenics.
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Sep 21, 2021 19:57
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are there any good books on how the British empire handled its famines internally versus publicly? I’m guessing they publicly said “oh no” but privately were profiting a lot.
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Sep 21, 2021 19:58
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https://twitter.com/fullfrontalsamb/status/1440118594399088640?s=21 I know this will be insufferable neoliberal trash but man I wish it was all these hosts doing that bit from The Newsroom.
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Sep 21, 2021 20:02
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Homocow posted:some psychological perspective on why we're hosed: This is really helpful. In the dome video, he goes over all of the arguments but I don't have the attention span to like...make a list of them. It would be rad to expand this into a primer. I think I'm the absence of some great awakening event (lol) it would be nice to have a guideline for having an empathetic conversation that works with lived ones so they can start their process and hopefully follow on with them being able to move into acceptance at least to the point of having some agency with a coping strategy. It's a hard conversation to have and to be had with. But some primer on reminding people to have empathy and to be able to stop some if these canned argument black holes would be good. The only thing I can hope to do is change the minds around me to acknowledge and hats ahead so that maybe just maybe in the future we end up with a few hundred breeding pairs in Antarctica as opposed to Venus 2.0 for literally ever.
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Sep 21, 2021 20:03
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Xeom posted:living in their moms basement, consuming only the cheapest of cheese covered gruel, only power use being their pc, never leave their house, and never wash or bath. You underestimate the truly staggering amount of simulataneous twitch and youtube streams that would be kept open 24/7. Topo Chico Debarge posted:If our goondome is big enough, we might need a rapid transit option from a higher part of the dome to a lower part. Some kind of zipline maybe. lol petit choux posted:I've been hearing this for the past couple years but I must have been living in one of the places this hasn't occurred yet, the general vicinity of the Great Dismal Swamp. I'm no longer there and don't drive around the countryside as much but when I lived in eastern NC my car was always a Jackson Pollock of bugs by the end of every long drive. There's still plenty of bugs here in Oklahoma, but at the same time I remember driving around with my parents as a kid and constantly getting windows full of smashed bugs. The city has been expanding sure but not so much to completely eliminate all bugs on all of our highways since I've started driving. I can't remember the last time a bug splatted on my windshield.
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Sep 21, 2021 20:04
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Serf posted:kinda glad i didn't go with my childhood dream of being an entomologist same but marine biology 
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Sep 21, 2021 20:06
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Homocow posted:some psychological perspective on why we're hosed: add this to your list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_trap we've gone through this many, many times before but this time at a global scale with a time lag hence we're super extra hosed now
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Sep 21, 2021 20:06
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/fullfrontalsamb/status/1440118594399088640?s=21 That's going to be absurdly terrible.
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Sep 21, 2021 20:07
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Wakko posted:same, car hater you should gopro some of these. i bet there's youtube money to be had Missed this, and I guess this is my problem - I can't imagine not being sad about it, and I get mad at people who aren't. Like yeah yeah crack-ping and all, I've done the acceptance loop, even introduced a couple people to the Myth of Sisyphus, not saying I spend all my time being negative. But then like Korea was saying, you spend 3 hours staring out the window on a train ride at a desolate hellscape that you know you and yours are responsible for causing, you spend the rest of the day with the thousand-yard stare, people close to you tend to notice and inquire and awaaaaayyyyy we go!
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Sep 21, 2021 20:12
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Car Hater posted:Missed this, and I guess this is my problem - I can't imagine not being sad about it, and I get mad at people who aren't. Like yeah yeah crack-ping and all, I've done the acceptance loop, even introduced a couple people to the Myth of Sisyphus, not saying I spend all my time being negative. But then like Korea was saying, you spend 3 hours staring out the window on a train ride at a desolate hellscape that you know you and yours are responsible for causing, you spend the rest of the day with the thousand-yard stare, people close to you tend to notice and inquire and awaaaaayyyyy we go! sounds like you need to watch Life is Beautiful (1997)
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Sep 21, 2021 20:14
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like even absent climate change and ecosystem collapse this world was filled with suffering, tragedy and destruction. and most of it was still driven by the society we live in and are a responsible part of. you can either ignore the horror, embrace the tragedy, or find microcosms of joy and happiness amongst the world filled with pain. really it is only you and those around you effected by the choice, and there is not really a moral high-ground to any of them. so you do you, but i am thankful that i can look out upon that desolate hellscape and find beauty in the arc of branches in the dead trees, in the haze filled sunset, or in the swarm of cockroaches transforming the kibble of our society into more cockroaches
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Sep 21, 2021 20:20
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/fullfrontalsamb/status/1440118594399088640?s=21 is seth meyers ill
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Sep 21, 2021 20:34
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Trabisnikof posted:like even absent climate change and ecosystem collapse this world was filled with suffering, tragedy and destruction. and most of it was still driven by the society we live in and are a responsible part of. I'm thinkin Arby's
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Sep 21, 2021 20:38
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/fullfrontalsamb/status/1440118594399088640?s=21 How many of these are sex offenders again?
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Sep 21, 2021 20:46
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known or statistically likely?
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Sep 21, 2021 20:47
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Rectal Death Adept posted:I'm thinkin Arby's savoring a good sandwich is another of life's little pleasures, even if its made with ingredients unavailable to most now, and unavailable to even more in the future. if you've got the meats you better enjoy them
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Sep 21, 2021 20:49
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Oh  gently caress gently caress. gently caress. god drat ithttps://twitter.com/ClimateHuman/status/1440403014565593099?s=20
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Sep 21, 2021 20:52
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Torpor posted:are there any good books on how the British empire handled its famines internally versus publicly? I’m guessing they publicly said “oh no” but privately were profiting a lot. Late Victorian Holocausts is worth a read although it isn’t 100% of what you’re looking for.
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Sep 21, 2021 20:52
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silicone thrills posted:Oh oh hey i got 500 bucks of hard liquor being delivered later today, how convenient for me because i suddenly feel like drinking
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Sep 21, 2021 20:55
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Meh, a quick death from fire or a slower one from increasing heat and drought will have the same ending. Those trees aren't surviving much longer either way.
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Sep 21, 2021 21:00
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https://twitter.com/KarlMathiesen/status/1440400260962996227
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Sep 21, 2021 21:10
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doesn't china get a huge portion of its coal from australia? lol if it's in retaliation to the sub thing
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Sep 21, 2021 21:12
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Complications posted:Meh, a quick death from fire or a slower one from increasing heat and drought will have the same ending. Those trees aren't surviving much longer either way. One of my favorite memories from my childhood was the first time I visited the west coast and my sister took me camping in the redwoods and I was like.. idk 14 years old but I decided right then and there I was moving to the west coast when I turned 18 and I already loved nature but it really just triggered something in me to care about all of it so much more. Seeing the big trees burn is just ripping me apart. Greenwood and The Golden Spruce are both good as hell books, just btw. edit: I've been waiting for a good time to go to Sequioa National Park but I guess i've missed it.
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Sep 21, 2021 21:29
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Homocow posted:we normalize extreme phenomena very quickly: "there were always hypercanes and megadroughts" isn't this blowing the actual science out of proportion? For example, according to NOAA https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ : https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ posted:Tropical cyclone intensities globally are projected to increase (medium to high confidence) on average (by 1 to 10% according to model projections for a 2 degree Celsius global warming). a 1 to 10% increase in intensity on average doesn't seem that much to me, seems like these libs are exaggerating here a wee bit if we're gonna call them hypercanes also: https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ posted:Tropical cyclone rainfall rates are projected to increase in the future (medium to high confidence) due to anthropogenic warming and accompanying increase in atmospheric moisture content. Modeling studies on average project an increase on the order of 10-15% for rainfall rates averaged within about 100 km of the storm for a 2 degree Celsius global warming scenario. if rainfall is expected to increase by 10-15%, doesn't that mean we'll have LESS droughts, not more? things just aren't adding up here and finally: https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ posted:The model also supports the notion of a substantial decrease (~25%) in the overall number of Atlantic hurricanes and tropical storms with projected 21st century climate warming. they expect 25% less hurricanes in the 21st century isn't it incredible how liberals love to pick and choose their scientific "facts"?
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Sep 21, 2021 21:33
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Lenin Stimpy posted:if rainfall is expected to increase by 10-15%, doesn't that mean we'll have LESS droughts, not more? things just aren't adding up here not sure that's how the climate works but what do i know
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Sep 21, 2021 21:59
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Lenin Stimpy posted:
The swamps of florida and louisiana are not where we worry about the droughts so much
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Sep 21, 2021 22:05
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Lenin Stimpy posted:isn't this blowing the actual science out of proportion? quote:also: quote:and finally: Oh well then never mind. I guess that wraps it up for environmental catastrophes.
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Sep 21, 2021 22:13
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I would say that we might have hope if someone invented teleportation that could really rework the variables like that. Just send clouds drowning cities and wiping out people in landslides to drought stricken croplands. Make "Rain" or whatever a global concept where we can just redirect excess amounts of things as needed. But we would use it to burn our dwindling artic air on keeping golf courses lush in Phoenix Arizona and instantly deporting climate refugees.
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Sep 21, 2021 22:17
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petit choux posted:Oh well then never mind. I guess that wraps it up for environmental catastrophes. Looks like climate change much like covid was very easy ya big dummies fill 'er up!
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Sep 21, 2021 22:18
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And all these forest fires all over the planet are just the result of not properly raking the forests. 
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Sep 21, 2021 22:21
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Been in my eco friendly tiny home with no internet access for a month but this news about how easy climate change was to solve is really going to make me take a victory lap. Think I'll go visit the beautiful sequoias in california to remind myself of the invincibility and enduring nature of nature over humanity!
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Sep 21, 2021 22:26
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lmao mods? MODS!? https://twitter.com/PaulEDawson/status/1440428121031774215
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Sep 21, 2021 22:39
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