Hollismason posted:

Glad the bar is set so low for the Pope that " He doesn't actively tell us to murder the gays, so he is okay with me".


Catholic Church and the Pope is a antediluvian mysgonistic cult that perpetrates some of the worst ideals for the human race and still advocates against the use of condoms in African which is one of the reason HIV is so widespread among other things like conspiring with literal Nazis, covering up the rape of children, basically theft from the poor, torturing people who are dying by withholding pain medication etc.. etc..

All while their leader literally holds court from a throne of gold.


Popes not cool and anyone who thinks that has bought into their bullshit propaganda.

Fame Douglas posted:

Well, it's a bad bill all around. Why the gently caress did they vote for it?

Fame Douglas posted:

Well, it's a bad bill all around. Why the gently caress did they vote for it?

empty whippet box posted:

I pretty much assume that any coherent message that's coming from twitter and is favorable to trump in any way is probably a Russian botnet of some kind, and lame-rear end criticisms of the sanctions bill like saying it was "just because democrats wanted to dunk on trump" sounds like some bullshit to me

Hollismason posted:

Glad the bar is set so low for the Pope that " He doesn't actively tell us to murder the gays, so he is okay with me".


Catholic Church and the Pope is a antediluvian mysgonistic cult that perpetrates some of the worst ideals for the human race and still advocates against the use of condoms in African which is one of the reason HIV is so widespread among other things like conspiring with literal Nazis, covering up the rape of children, basically theft from the poor, torturing people who are dying by withholding pain medication etc.. etc..

All while their leader literally holds court from a throne of gold.


Popes not cool and anyone who thinks that has bought into their bullshit propaganda.

WeAreTheRomans posted:

You can gently caress right off with this, mate.

The Church, in my tiny country alone, owes the State €1.4bn in restitution payments to sexual abuse victims, which it refuses to pay. Oh, and that money has nothing to do with the thousands of women who were kept as literal slaves for the crime of becoming pregnant or being born with learning difficulties. Or the septic tanks full of hundreds of little kid skeletons that have been uncovered, blameless little kids left to die and then interred in a big tank full of poo poo.

Oh yeah and the cool new Pope is right now sheltering one of Australia's top clerics from facing justice for loving kids. And was actively involved in shuttling rapist priests between dioceses to avoid prosecution, just like Ratzinger.

Seriously, gently caress you.

A big flaming stink posted:

^^well, yes basically. If there must be a church, I'd rather it headed by Francis instead of other recent choices (and fyi there must be a church)


honestly i'm with you on that. the church is plenty gross in many aspects, and its fundamental ideology is a regressive misogynistic one (not even getting into how hosed up the whole sanctity of suffering deal). Not sure what you're referring to with the women kept as slaves bit or the interred stuff. I suspect that any candidate for cardinal let alone pope has been involved in shielding child molesters and that's pretty loving depressing. Again, I can't speak to the specifics of the australian cardinal.

All that being said, the Catholic Church remains one of the most influential (perhaps the most influential) non-state institution. The church accomplishes plenty of good and has the potential to accomplish far, far more good. I believe that Francis and his ideological allies present the best chance to steer the church into a more progressive direction, as well as softening some of its more odious stances.

Withnail posted:

see if 'The Day After' is on pirate bay

VitalSigns posted:

If you judge him by Pope standards, and not by normal human decency, morality, and medical ethics standards, this Pope is best Pope ever.

Deptfordx posted:

It's on Youtube

quote:

Prior to 2001, the primary responsibility for investigating allegations of sexual abuse and disciplining perpetrators rested with the individual dioceses. In 2001, Ratzinger convinced John Paul II to put the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in charge of all investigations and policies surrounding sexual abuse in order to combat such abuse more efficiently.[148][149] According to John L. Allen, Jr., Ratzinger in the following years "acquired a familiarity with the contours of the problem that virtually no other figure in the Catholic Church can claim" and "driven by that encounter with what he would later refer to as 'filth' in the Church, Ratzinger seems to have undergone something of a 'conversion experience' throughout 2003–04. From that point forward, he and his staff seemed driven by a convert's zeal to clean up the mess".[150] In his role as Head of the CDF, he "led important changes made in Church law: the inclusion in canon law of internet offences against children, the extension of child abuse offences to include the sexual abuse of all under 18, the case by case waiving of the statute of limitation and the establishment of a fast-track dismissal from the clerical state for offenders."[151] As the Head of the CDF, Ratzinger developed a reputation for handling these cases. According to Charles J. Scicluna, a former prosecutor handling sexual abuse cases, "Cardinal Ratzinger displayed great wisdom and firmness in handling those cases, also demonstrating great courage in facing some of the most difficult and thorny cases, sine acceptione personarum (without exceptions)".[152][153]

One of the cases Ratzinger pursued involved Father Marcial Maciel Degollado, a Mexican priest and founder of the Legion of Christ, who had been accused repeatedly of sexual abuse. Biographer Andrea Tornielli suggested that Cardinal Ratzinger had wanted to take action against Marcial Maciel Degollado, but that John Paul II and other high-ranking officials, including several cardinals and notably the Pope's influential secretary Stanisław Dziwisz, prevented him from doing so.[149][154] According to Jason Berry, Angelo Sodano "pressured" Cardinal Ratzinger, who was "operating on the assumption that the charges were not justified", to halt the proceedings against Maciel in 1999[155] When Maciel was honored by the Pope in 2004, new accusers came forward[155] and Cardinal Ratzinger "took it on himself to authorize an investigation of Maciel"[149] After Ratzinger became pope he began proceedings against Maciel and the Legion of Christ that forced Maciel out of active service in the Church.[148] On 1 May 2010 the Vatican issued a statement denouncing Maciel's "very serious and objectively immoral acts", which were "confirmed by incontrovertible testimonies" and represent "true crimes and manifest a life without scruples or authentic religious sentiment." Pope Benedict also said he would appoint a special commission to examine the Legionaries’ constitution and open an investigation into its lay affiliate Regnum Christi.[156] Cardinal Christoph Schönborn explained that Ratzinger "made entirely clear efforts not to cover things up but to tackle and investigate them. This was not always met with approval in the Vatican".[148][157] According to Schönborn, Cardinal Ratzinger had pressed John Paul II to investigate Hans Hermann Groër, an Austrian cardinal and friend of John Paul accused of sexual abuse, resulting in Groër's resignation.[154]

In March 2010, the Pope sent a Pastoral Letter to the Catholic Church in Ireland addressing cases of sexual abuse by Catholic priests to minors, expressing sorrow, and promising changes in the way accusations of abuse are dealt with.[158] Victim groups claim the letter failed to clarify if secular law enforcement has priority over canon law confidentiality pertaining to internal investigation of abuse allegations.[159][160][161][162] The Pope then promised to introduce measures that would 'safeguard young people in the future' and 'bring to justice' priests who were responsible for abuse.[147] In April, the Vatican issued guidelines on how existing Church law should be implemented. The guideline dictates that "Civil law concerning reporting of crimes... should always be followed."[163] The guideline was intended to follow the norms established by U.S. bishops, but it does not require the reporting of "allegations" or crimes where reporting is not required by law.[164]

A big flaming stink posted:

``honestly i'm with you on that. the church is plenty gross in many aspects, and its fundamental ideology is a regressive misogynistic one (not even getting into how hosed up the whole sanctity of suffering deal). Not sure what you're referring to with the women kept as slaves bit or the interred stuff. I suspect that any candidate for cardinal let alone pope has been involved in shielding child molesters and that's pretty loving depressing. Again, I can't speak to the specifics of the australian cardinal.

All that being said, the catholic church remains one of the most influential (perhaps the most influential) non-state institution. The church accomplishes plenty of good and has the potential to accomplish far, far more good. I believe that Francis and his ideological allies present the best chance to steer the church into a more progressive direction, as well as softening some of its more odious stances.

Dr. VooDoo posted:

Cernovich will angrily watch this and say alphas males do exist and the guzzle a few gallons of gorilla sperm just to be in the safe side

WeAreTheRomans posted:

But the Church is probably the most evil and harmful organisation in human history in terms of number of lives ruined over the last millennium (yep, Nazis included).

quote:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Kilroy posted:

I mean I'm not sure what is even the point of criticizing the GOP right now, at least as a focal point. If you have a chance at actually turning a real live Republican into something resembling a compassionate and intelligent human being, then by all means go ahead, but that's an opportunity that comes up like what? Once a decade? For a leftist to go on Twitter and rail against the GOP for voting for this measure is a total waste of time and effort that could be spent on more productive pursuits, which is probably why centrist Democrats are so insistent that they do exactly that.

socialsecurity posted:

Remember when he met Obama and spent the entire time super frowning to make sure every single picture taken showed everyone how upset he was at being in the same room as him like a loving child.

Mulva posted:

Man it doesn't even stand up to the British Empire, and I haven't cracked out the ol moral calculator to really break down where the empire sits in the top five in awhile. I don't think I had it at number one.

tentative8e8op posted:

Covok posted:

First off, Adam Ruins Everything is a good show that you should be watching.

Secondly, check the comments. Nothing but "alphas" crying and whining while trying to seem on top. lol.

Gorilla Salad posted:

Okay, I have started to see this "gorilla sperm guzzling" everywhere recently, what the hell is it all about?

I'm afraid to google "drinking gorilla sperm" because it would probably put me on a watchlist.

Kilroy posted:

I mean, the Catholic Church is clearly not antediluvian.

When people complain about "oh the left is blaming Democrats for this exclusively why don't they blame the GOP too" they're kinda being - I don't know - really outrageously stupid? Like, yeah, it's too bad that the Leopard-Eating-People's-Faces party voted to eat some people's faces, but there's not much you can do about that since they're leopards and they're all about eating people's faces and they got voted into office on the premise that they were going to eat some motherfucking faces and now they're doing exactly that. On the other hand you probably should criticize in the strongest possible terms anyone who isn't a leopard but seems receptive to partially eating faces or only eating the faces of poor people or whatever else. You know?

I mean I'm not sure what is even the point of criticizing the GOP right now, at least as a focal point. If you have a chance at actually turning a real live Republican into something resembling a compassionate and intelligent human being, then by all means go ahead, but that's an opportunity that comes up like what? Once a decade? For a leftist to go on Twitter and rail against the GOP for voting for this measure is a total waste of time and effort that could be spent on more productive pursuits, which is probably why centrist Democrats are so insistent that they do exactly that.

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Every preview I've seen has been intolerable. Usually it's something like v
Straw Woman: I've been doing this thing for this reason.
Adam: Actually that reason is made up and wrong and you're stupid for doing it
Straw Woman: But I read this reason in the internet
Adam: Allow me to explain to you as if you were a child
Straw Woman: Aww gee, but this man on the tv said it
Adam: You are a fool
Straw Woman: I'm dumb and so God drat crazy
Adam: I'm the smartest man who ever lived.

Quorum posted:

All ranting on Twitter is ultimately completely loving pointless except as catharsis or performance.

Mulva posted:

Man it doesn't even stand up to the British Empire, and I haven't cracked out the ol moral calculator to really break down where the empire sits in the top five in awhile. I don't think I had it at number one.


Nah, that's just something stupid people think because they are looking for a magic bullet solution to people being monsters. The Church has never been more than an excuse. You don't steal money and rape kids in the name of Christ, you'll do it for football or the BBC or anything else that gives you a shield. That's just how social hierarchy works, someone will always look for a way to abuse it for their own needs. Don't even need to be 'evil' for that to apply.

socialsecurity posted:

Remember when he met Obama and spent the entire time super frowning to make sure every single picture taken showed everyone how upset he was at being in the same room as him like a loving child.

botany posted:

[posted while POTUS fucks up foreign relations 140 characters at a time]

Quorum posted:

I guess some people's performances are more impactful than others!

Gorilla Salad posted:

Okay, I have started to see this "gorilla sperm guzzling" everywhere recently, what the hell is it all about?

I'm afraid to google "drinking gorilla sperm" because it would probably put me on a watchlist.

Relevant Tangent posted:

He thinks that if you're alpha enough your semen will have mystical qualities that will addict the women who are lucky enough to receive it. He's on his second divorce and lives off of alimony from his first divorce.

Al Borland Corp. posted:

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/892940224015282176
Oh poo poo, they found the tape where Seth Rich did Benghazi

Al Borland Corp. posted:

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/892940224015282176
Oh poo poo, they found the tape where Seth Rich did Benghazi

Samovar posted:

No, Sean, a bomb goes tick, tick, tick.

Covok posted:

So, serious question, before the internet, where would you go to discuss unpopular political ideas? Like, socialism isn't the devil or black people should be treated like white people?

Uncleanly Cleric posted:

He’s an idiot rear end in a top hat that’s trying to screw the first generation of ghouls out of songwriting credits and money.

I haven’t heard anything from Tobias that makes me think turbo-racist maga dipshit, but given that we live in a five minute news cycle, who knows?

Al Borland Corp. posted:

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/892940224015282176
Oh poo poo, they found the tape where Seth Rich did Benghazi

PainterofCrap posted:

The Weekly World News.

Occasionally, the John Birch Society would rent billboards.

The newspaper's Opinion section

CB/shortwave radio

Mostly, this crap was never heard from, unless Nixon or Reagan had an idea. (yes, I remenber Nixon,. Most of my life pre-dates the internet. I programmed in BASIC & FORTRAN on teletype machines)

Mister Adequate posted:

Huh? I was 3 when Reagan left office and I'm 31 now.

e; But yeah the difference between us early Millennials born in the 80s and those who were born in the 90s is bigger than lumping us all in together would suggest. The changes in politics, media, and the Internet are... well it's kind of difficult to really impress on you youngins how radical the changes were.