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Mendrian posted:Right, it's actually incredibly easy to write AI (in the scheme of things) that has no real logic to it and just autotargets/hitscans everything instantly. Adding in target variation, misses and prioritization is actually very difficult. I remember a friend of mine back in the Quake III days telling me that the easier difficulty bots are actually more complex than the hard difficulty ones for that very reason. Actually, I personally have a deep seated desire to kill ratling gunners and i literally cannot advance until i've slain all of them in my immediate area. If I can't see or reach one, I stare at the wall I hear it from until it finds me
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FastestGunAlive posted:I picked this up on steam sale a few weeks back. I've only put in two hours so far, still learning but its a lot of fun. My steam is doctorfunkenstein there's like 40 people with that name
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May 8, 2016 18:56
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Well I'm your friend fastest so that will narrow it down for you
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May 8, 2016 18:57
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Up Circle posted:Actually, I personally have a deep seated desire to kill ratling gunners and i literally cannot advance until i've slain all of them in my immediate area. This is perfectly rational, I've been killed many times by those wallhacking lolcows. They deserve death 1000 times over.
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May 8, 2016 23:38
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Nalesh posted:I really wish there was a mod that added an on demand tourist system. like "This spaceplane is going too X moon/planet and back and we have Y spots open", and then having a chance to offer you dosh to bring some schmucks along That would be a pretty weird thing to put in a rat murder simulator, but I've gotta be honest, I'd be interested in seeing this happen.
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May 8, 2016 23:40
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Tourism to the warpstone moon sounds like a really bad idea.
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I don't know about Ratling Gunners (mostly because as soon as they appear someone has whipped out a handgun or I've sent them sprawling), but Gutter Runners have the most amazing talent for smoke bombing 3 times in the span of a second and then appearing next to you for an instant pounce. I can't quite figure out how I get pounced sometimes because when I hear the sound cue, I know that gutter runners generally appear from the direction that all players backs are turned, but even when I've scanned the area about 3 times, they'll still come from the side in an area they couldn't have been and the trajectory proves that. You can often see (at least if you play on 100hz+) the gutter runner in its leap just before it transitions to the "stab stab stab" animation and it's always at my ankles rather than from the air. I recommend holding X to do the third person view and just panning around, at least you'll be able to see it for sure. Also, PSA, because it was happening real god drat often yesterday to me: always be holding your block. if your melee weapon block slows you down, use a tome. Rats spawning out of thin air behind you and landing free cheap shots is a rampant annoyance. 3 times that happened in a run of magnus, the one that almost made me just restart the map was in the tavern just before hitting the rooftop, there's a small room between stairs and a point of no return, there's usually nothing in there. I go in, take a look around, and as soon as I've turned my back, I take a hit from a rat must have come out of a dresser drawer half its size. There are faint noises when rats scurry out of their holes, but not this time. It was literally the only rat in the area when it appeared.
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May 8, 2016 23:52
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I haven't played this game since it originally came out. Have there been any major balancing changes or anything like that since?
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May 9, 2016 01:51
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Only in the Bright Wizard's case. The Beam Staff got nerfed a bit and the other staffs were given significant buffs, but Fireball still remains at the bottom of the ladder. The Bolt Staff is now a "Right click + left click = win" staff because it automatically homes in for multiple piercing headshots like the Trueflight bow. Conflagration charges way faster. Beam is still #1 but the former two are definitely viable. I still wouldn't trust bolt staff though because you know those little rats that scurry around on the ground randomly placed? It can and will automatically target them over the two legged rats.
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May 9, 2016 02:35
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Nalesh posted:I really wish there was a mod that added an on demand tourist system. like "This spaceplane is going too X moon/planet and back and we have Y spots open", and then having a chance to offer you dosh to bring some schmucks along i agree, there should be a gamemode where one player is a big fat merchant of Tilea with no weapons and you need to escort him to the end for better loot
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May 9, 2016 05:17
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i agree, there should be a gamemode where one player is a big fat merchant of Tilea with no weapons and you need to escort him to the end for better loot Super easy for me because when I play Vermintide I treat it like I'm escorting the other three characters at all times.
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Lunethex posted:Super easy for me because when I play Vermintide I treat it like I'm escorting the other three characters at all times. Except this time, they have explicit goals that are in opposition to yours. They see shiny things lit up all over the map that you can't see, and need to collect them. The more they collect, the better the loot.
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May 9, 2016 16:50
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If you don't charge after sackrats like a loving loot starved treasure junky foaming at the mouth, ignoring everything else, firing wildly and shredding your allies with friendly fire, you play Vermintide wrong.
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Skandranon posted:Except this time, they have explicit goals that are in opposition to yours. They see shiny things lit up all over the map that you can't see, and need to collect them. The more they collect, the better the loot. yeah this sounds like basically every other horn of magnus run i've done
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May 9, 2016 20:07
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el dingo posted:If you don't charge after sackrats like a loving loot starved treasure junky foaming at the mouth, ignoring everything else, firing wildly and shredding your allies with friendly fire, you play Vermintide wrong. One of my buddies (the same one who refuses to play anything but elf and wizard and hates weapons with shields because they're too defensive) will always chase the loot rat like a psycho while saying 'Look man the loading screen told me to!' We've stopped trying to save him.
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May 9, 2016 21:11
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Night10194 posted:One of my buddies (the same one who refuses to play anything but elf and wizard and hates weapons with shields because they're too defensive) will always chase the loot rat like a psycho while saying 'Look man the loading screen told me to!' This is the secret purpose of the game, and probably has something to do with unlocking that statue thing in Farmers Market...
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May 10, 2016 01:46
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The real metagame is the chandelier in the inn. I would pay a buck fifty for an April Fools chandelier DLC.
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May 10, 2016 05:18
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I think overall Bardin's Axe and Shield might be the best weapon in the game.
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:The real metagame is the chandelier in the inn. I would pay a buck fifty for an April Fools chandelier DLC. this guy gets it
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Is Gunpowder the worst mission and/or least popular? I've been trying for two days to beat this mission but I've only managed to find other players twice and we died in less than ten minutes both times. Although in general I've found it tough to find normal difficulty groups. Mostly seems like people are on hard or nightmare. I see more easy groups than normal actually, which I find odd.
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May 11, 2016 15:59
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FastestGunAlive posted:Is Gunpowder the worst mission Yes, it is.
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Normal's in this weird spot where it's substantially harder to play it than Easy, but in realistic terms your loot isn't a hell of a lot better. The jump from Normal to Hard is a lot less, difficulty wise, but reward wise it's MUCH better. I think Black Powder mostly suffers from being the map that people exploited early on to get phat lootz and now people are tired of it. Cataclysm was super easy due to some bugs, so even in this thread there were people running it dozens of times to get oranges.
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May 11, 2016 16:08
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The more popular maps all have grims/tomes. If people are looking for a quick run without books they generally go ramps as its piss easy and has no rat ogre. It is a bit of a shame, I do get a bit sick of magnus/engines/enemy below etc
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May 11, 2016 16:10
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Well conveniently we're getting new maps to get tired of! I'm in the middle of a renaissance of this game with my group and it's super convenient that this DLC is coming out very soon. What fortuitous timing! Game is fun as gently caress! Secret game of 2015.
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Coolguye posted:Normal's in this weird spot where it's substantially harder to play it than Easy, but in realistic terms your loot isn't a hell of a lot better. The jump from Normal to Hard is a lot less, difficulty wise, but reward wise it's MUCH better. Ah, interesting. That explains the difficulty discrepancies. I do fine on normal but might as well go with everyone else on easy. I've tried hard a couple times but I feel I don't pull my own weight owing to a lack of gear and experience. I'll just start harassing the steam group for help on gunpowder when I get home from work
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May 11, 2016 17:03
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If you want the best loot just play nightmare games and never waste your time with non-tome+grim missions. And if you see me on I'm guaranteed to win.
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May 11, 2016 17:09
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Night10194 posted:I think overall Bardin's Axe and Shield might be the best weapon in the game. Trying the other characters after playing as Bardin is rough. I love Bardin.
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May 11, 2016 17:17
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Nightmare's the only real difficulty. It provides a challenge that can still be beaten relatively easily with good teamwork and gives good loot. Hard is too easy past level 15 and with any real loot and Cataclysm is for well-geared characters / good teams in need of a solid challenge.
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I'm kinda getting sick of avoiding stormvermin patrols. Every time I hear the familiar sound I hide with my teammates - then someone gets bored, ducks out to see where they're at, accidentally draws their attention. Everyone starts swearing at their foolishness but I'm secretly happy as really we're all pretty used to dealing with them by now, you don't need bombs/pots really. It takes like 10-20 seconds to kill the lot vs 2 minutes waiting for them to slowly walk by, during which who knows what other specials and hordes spawn.
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el dingo posted:I'm kinda getting sick of avoiding stormvermin patrols. Every time I hear the familiar sound I hide with my teammates - then someone gets bored, ducks out to see where they're at, accidentally draws their attention. Everyone starts swearing at their foolishness but I'm secretly happy as really we're all pretty used to dealing with them by now, you don't need bombs/pots really. It takes like 10-20 seconds to kill the lot vs 2 minutes waiting for them to slowly walk by, during which who knows what other specials and hordes spawn. They hide from it but don't have problems killing it anyway? I attack patrols as soon as they come into view and they get dunked fast.
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Yeah I think I'm going to adopt that tactic from now on. I did it today accidentally by bolt staff chaining the lead SV. Said 'lol my bad' after, no-one gave a poo poo People just instinctively hide I guess, habits you pick up from when you're starting out
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Patrols are easy as poo poo (provided you keep the trash in check) and up until recently I didn't know you COULD hide from them.
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The other benefit to killing patrols is that you know some Warlord in the city is gonna be PISSED today
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While I was still properly in Hard mode i got lucky and received a Pfalz Harquebuss (orange rifle for Kruber) as my first orange. Kills Stormvermin in one body-shot on Hard and penetrates 3-4 targets. Catching the patrols while they were still in marching formation was beyond hilarious. I made so many people stunned in amazement by taking out the entire patrol with two shots.
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Strength potion plus bomb to dunk patrols in one hit
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Coolguye posted:The other benefit to killing patrols is that you know some Warlord in the city is gonna be PISSED today No, see, he sent those guys out to look for the 4 person-shaped blenders in the hopes they'd either solve a very big problem for him, or die and no longer threaten his rule/cause him trouble. It's win-win.
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Lunethex posted:And if you see me on I'm guaranteed to win. I've seen this to be true, it's unreal. He's some sort of rat killing wizard...
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I recognize that trueflight arrows are not exactly pro-zone, but I absolutely love the fact that I can hear a gutter runner spawn, turn around, fire off an arrow blind, and 60% of the time kill the guy without even seeing him.
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