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got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Jose posted:

the government have decided the way to stop kids accessing porn is to make all porn sites require credit card details to be accessed :thunk:

what about torrent sites, or are those not even a thing anymore

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
they get blocked by ISPs periodically and then pop up with a slightly new domain that lasts a few months

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
yeah torrent sites are occasionally 'oh ok find a new one then' and it takes less than a minute

dunno what the tories are playing at trying to block the internet tbh, mondeo man likes a quick tug as much as anyone else

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

There's no way that anything they come up with is going to get around the proxy issue. And if it meant access to free porn then kids would learn how to use proxies real quick.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Yinlock posted:

was blair ever actually popular

Yeah he was very popular and was the last Labour leader to win an election.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Shut up Pissflaps

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Tokamak posted:

Shut up Pissflaps

Flaps is just super annoying and you wouldnt want to invite him to a party, flaps v2 up there is a genuinely shite person that everyone with human blood running in their veins should probably ignore.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
per my niece


Doctor Hooha

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
I dunno why british people blame blair so much for Iraq it was george w bush's fault.

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

Because Blair could have not supported it but he did for bizarre religious reasons just like Dubyah?

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

hakimashou posted:

I dunno why british people blame blair so much for Iraq it was george w bush's fault.

This is such a You thing to say

breaklaw
May 12, 2008
Bush was wrong to invade Iraq but Blair was right to support him.

Hopefully the UK and Europe never get their own version of a neoconvservative cabal, but if the UK ever had a reason to start a war built on nothing but lies and asinine political theories, the US should still support them in any and every way they need.

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009

breaklaw posted:

Bush was wrong to invade Iraq but Blair was right to support him.

Hopefully the UK and Europe never get their own version of a neoconvservative cabal, but if the UK ever had a reason to start a war built on nothing but lies and asinine political theories, the US should still support them in any and every way they need.

if canada, which is 90% american already, stayed out of it, then the uk could have as well

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Nanomashoes posted:

Because Blair could have not supported it but he did for bizarre religious reasons just like Dubyah?

It wouldn't have made a difference. Britain blaming itself for iraq is vanity.

Plus the UK kind of owes the US support in these kind of things.

Blair should be forgiven, he just did what he had to do, the blame rests on GW Bush and his people.

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

hakimashou posted:

It wouldn't have made a difference. Britain blaming itself for iraq is vanity.

Plus the UK kind of owes the US support in these kind of things.

Blair should be forgiven, he just did what he had to do, the blame rests on GW Bush and his people.

wrong, wrong, wrong aaaand wrong. thank you, please don't come again

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

hakimashou posted:

It wouldn't have made a difference. Britain blaming itself for iraq is vanity.

Plus the UK kind of owes the US support in these kind of things.

Blair should be forgiven, he just did what he had to do, the blame rests on GW Bush and his people.

Hahaha no.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 214 days!

hakimashou posted:

It wouldn't have made a difference. Britain blaming itself for iraq is vanity.

Plus the UK kind of owes the US support in these kind of things.

Blair should be forgiven, he just did what he had to do, the blame rests on GW Bush and his people.

turns out you can choose to participate in an american war or not

like canada didn't go to iraq but was in afganistan (which while not a great idea was way more understandable than iraq)

but you see tony blair was actually really into the whole iraq thing which is why people blame him for britain participating; funny how he made a decision and now he's accountable for that

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

what we owe to the US is to not enable them when they start insane illegal wars that kill a million people and cause decades of chaos

breaklaw
May 12, 2008

Terror Sweat posted:

if canada, which is 90% american already, stayed out of it, then the uk could have as well

Canada was part of the Coalition for Afghanistan and Iraq, so was Australia. They did less in Iraq than Afghanistan but they were there.

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

breaklaw posted:

Canada was part of the Coalition for Afghanistan and Iraq, so was Australia. They did less in Iraq than Afghanistan but they were there.

Canada was the only Five Eyes nation to not join the coalition of the shilling. Harper really, really wanted to jump in and both him and Trudeau got involved in post-war deployments, but CF weren't in Iraq between 03 and 11.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

blair didn't sigh and invoke some oh well treaty obligation, he forced it through in the face of mass resistance to the point of cabinet resignations and 2% of the country in the streets.

he put all his strength into shoving his hands in and absolutely deserves to be held to account for the blood on them

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Agnosticnixie posted:

Canada was the only Five Eyes nation to not join the coalition of the shilling. Harper really, really wanted to jump in and both him and Trudeau got involved in post-war deployments, but CF weren't in Iraq between 03 and 11.

Canada didn't deploy troops to Iraq but we kicked in money for rebuilding which was money well spent let me tell you. We sort of glance over that when people proudly proclaim that canada never joined the war in iraq

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

Dreylad posted:

Canada didn't deploy troops to Iraq but we kicked in money for rebuilding which was money well spent let me tell you. We sort of glance over that when people proudly proclaim that canada never joined the war in iraq

Wherever there's grift to be made on the back of the global south there's always a canadian business looking to profit but yeah, true.

a primate
Jun 2, 2010

*flicks asbestos at u*

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Peel posted:

what we owe to the US is to not enable them when they start insane illegal wars that kill a million people and cause decades of chaos

a million people is a pretty low estimate especially if you consider it led to the current chaos in the middle east

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

one of the few cool things mexico has done as a country is tell bush to gently caress off twice

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Breakfast All Day posted:

what a shock that a country that hoists around a vestigial monarch are all subs that want to be ruled by people they despise

wait are u implying there are non despicable britons :thunk:

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Peel posted:

blair didn't sigh and invoke some oh well treaty obligation, he forced it through in the face of mass resistance to the point of cabinet resignations and 2% of the country in the streets.

he put all his strength into shoving his hands in and absolutely deserves to be held to account for the blood on them

Blair not joining iraq wouldn't have changed the outcome for iraq though.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Hodgepodge posted:

turns out you can choose to participate in an american war or not

like canada didn't go to iraq but was in afganistan (which while not a great idea was way more understandable than iraq)

but you see tony blair was actually really into the whole iraq thing which is why people blame him for britain participating; funny how he made a decision and now he's accountable for that

How's he accountable? Isn't it just people mouthing off at him?

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

hakimashou posted:

Blair not joining iraq wouldn't have changed the outcome for iraq though.

Yes but he's still responsible for the British soldiers who died/people killed by British soldiers.

If someone asks you to help murder someone and you do it, you're still guilty of the murder even if they would have done it without your help.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Nanomashoes posted:

Because Blair could have not supported it but he did for bizarre religious reasons just like Dubyah?

I mean yeah if the religious reason was 'what if i, blair, am actually a jesus'

the crazy thing is blair actually did have influence over bush, when 9/11 happened bush dicked about in a plane for ages and the white house basically used blairs very eloquent response to the attack as their own press release, the us loved him and even the real cunts like rumsfeld acknowledged that they owed him one. he could and should have cashed in his influence in the run up to the war to counter that 'we ain't in the business of nation building' bollocks and got bush to commit longer term to preventing the region getting completely destablised

thats not to say the opposition to the war were completely sane either. loving tony benn giving saddam a sympathetic interview ffs.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

hakimashou posted:

Blair not joining iraq wouldn't have changed the outcome for iraq though.

The regions british forces controlled after the war were better managed than the regions the us nominally controlled, uk forces being involved ended up having a more positive impact for the region than an all us force would have had.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Vitamin P posted:

The regions british forces controlled after the war were better managed than the regions the us nominally controlled, uk forces being involved ended up having a more positive impact for the region than an all us force would have had.

WaR CrImInAl!!!!!!!

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
im not an ARE BOYS type but will probably never stop being angry at the working class lads who died on a lie in that war tbh blair should be in the hague

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i think hakimashou just lusts for genocide in the middle east

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
The only protest I ever went to was against George W Bush.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
bush being worse than blair doesnt exonerate blair

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 214 days!

hakimashou posted:

How's he accountable? Isn't it just people mouthing off at him?

it is people taking his decisions into account when considering the value of his opinion, which may include mouthing off at him

would you like me to explain any other basic elements of social behaviour to you?

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

hakimashou posted:

WaR CrImInAl!!!!!!!

the british forces being better than the us forces at doing the more difficult part of the job doesn't have anything to do with the politicians who sent them there and decided the overall strategy

the soldiery on the ground did a decent job. the politician who lied to put them there did a war crime. its not difficult

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Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

It would be one thing if Blair merely supported and pushed for the war, but he also greatly mislead the public about the case for it in order to trick other people into supporting it. I think that makes his culpability far greater.

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