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paragon1 posted:well then Let's Watch this terrible terrible thing. Sweet, I'll post again when it's released so that a time can be set up. BrandorKP posted:hurm, Libertarian heroes or the unacceptable metaphor of monarch. Libertarians have long held that the most moral state is a monarchy so it's not particularly subtle.
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Who What Now posted:Sweet, I'll post again when it's released so that a time can be set up. I'm so in...if we find a time that works with my 14 hour time difference with the USA (oh hay I just moved to Malaysia, it's nice here). Uroboros posted:My girlfriend recommended I read Anthem...is our relationship doomed? Don't panic. Maybe this is just her way of letting you know she's into rape-fetish BDSM. "The safe word is Dominque!"
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Who What Now posted:Well, I figured one of two ways. Either me and a few other posters watch it live with a few beers and rip on it or if no one wants to do that or aren't interested in watching that I'll watch it a few times and try to write a script and record that MST3k style. I would be down for this and could even help withe streaming if need be
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VitalSigns posted:I'm so in...if we find a time that works with my 14 hour time difference with the USA (oh hay I just moved to Malaysia, it's nice here). pfft goons know no regular sleep schedule I'll watch this fucker at 4 am or whatever idgaf.
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Hell, if you need a break I can tag in with my bizarrely goofy brazilian accent. I like to think old Ayn would be extra miffed at a collaborative, free reading of her work by a filthy latino attending med school for free thanks to soshulism.
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Sephyr posted:Hell, if you need a break I can tag in with my bizarrely goofy brazilian accent. I like to think old Ayn would be extra miffed at a collaborative, free reading of her work by a filthy latino attending med school for free thanks to soshulism. She'd curse you even though she only got to go to Petrograd State University because the Soviets opened up the universities to women 
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Feb 19, 2015 21:13
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Ayn was nothing else if not a massive hypocrite.
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Who What Now posted:Ayn was nothing else if not a massive hypocrite. No, it's entirely consistent. A Randian hero is someone who bites the hand that feeds her, by definition.
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Disinterested posted:No, it's entirely consistent. A Randian hero is someone who bites the hand that feeds her, by definition. Yeah it's important to remember that an Ancap would refuse state help out of principle if they could, but an Objectivist would joyfully and openly commit welfare fraud if they thought it was worth it, the name of the game is selfishness above all else
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I've been lurking this thread since before Christmas, and it's been morbidly interesting catching up, but I only got to page 200 before this whole vaccination thing became too depressingly awful to ignore. Jrod, I lost all hearing in my left ear from measles when I was 18 months old, and it's significantly negatively impacted the rest of my life. I'm lucky, though, cause I lived. Either consider that you or your sources might just possibly be even slightly, infinitisimally, minisculely, completely wrong, or get hosed forever. e: and of course the subject changes the moment I decide to comment, gently caress Illuyankas fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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Feb 19, 2015 23:19
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DarklyDreaming posted:Yeah it's important to remember that an Ancap would refuse state help out of principle if they could, but an Objectivist would joyfully and openly commit welfare fraud if they thought it was worth it, the name of the game is selfishness above all else Just a friendly reminder that AnCap prophet and total non-racist Hans Hermann Hoppe graduated from a German public university and is a professor emeritus at an American public university. Disinterested posted:From a literary perspective they're both trainwrecks but The Fountainhead is probably the more readable one. 
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Nolanar posted:Just a friendly reminder that AnCap prophet and total non-racist Hans Hermann Hoppe graduated from a German public university and is a professor emeritus at an American public university. And argues that public university professors are suspicious characters who should be distrusted by default.
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Illuyankas posted:I've been lurking this thread since before Christmas, and it's been morbidly interesting catching up, but I only got to page 200 before this whole vaccination thing became too depressingly awful to ignore. When it comes to a question as essential as "do we want to prevent potentially life-altering diseases or do we want to tell everyone to keep their fingers crossed", it's never too late to comment.
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Why, exactly, are libertarian/ancap types so afraid of peer review? When Eripsa was on his glut of bitcoin-based decentralized child pornography rings/social media site, he adamantly refused to send his thesis or whatever in to be critiqued by people who know their poo poo. I forget where exactly, but a few pages ago Jrod started the same thing up and buried a rant about the  IVORY TOWER and how they can't be trusted to review things in his post about how the government is evil for mandating vaccines. I've encountered the same thing spouted by some off-site libertarians too. I'd think that peer review would be a godsend to the rabid anti-government types, since it's a fully voluntary way to weed out shysters and con-men in fields where professionalism and accuracy is important without the evil state infringing on anyone's rights, but it's (admittedly anecdotally) not the case. I think one of the Pauls might have said something to that effect too, but I'm hazy as to where. Is libertarianism just predisposed to anti-intellectualism along with irrational hatred of governance? Did HHH or another one of their heroes get called an idiot after sending in garbage to Law and Human Behavior?
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Libertarians oppose peer review for the same reasons that energy healers and homoepaths oppose peer review. They all claim that the establishment keeps them down, but it's really because their bogus ideas are easier to tear apart than wet paper
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Malleum posted:Why, exactly, are libertarian/ancap types so afraid of peer review? because when your entire ideology is based around supporting your inherent superiority above the bleating masses you can't ever reduce yourself to debating on their terms, to do so would debase the purestrain nobility of your constrruction from first principles
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I get it!  But which book was it that had the train crash where Rand spent quite a lot of time explaining how each and every passenger was a filthy
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Who What Now posted:I get it! That one is Atlas Shrugged. Edit: For anyone who cares, here is a buzzfeed link that includes Ron Paul's speech from the totally not at all racist secession event last month. Caros fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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Feb 20, 2015 01:52
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Malleum posted:Why, exactly, are libertarian/ancap types so afraid of peer review? When Eripsa was on his glut of bitcoin-based decentralized child pornography rings/social media site, he adamantly refused to send his thesis or whatever in to be critiqued by people who know their poo poo. I forget where exactly, but a few pages ago Jrod started the same thing up and buried a rant about the It's because libertarian "thinkers" are without exception intellectual lightweights who can't hack it. Who What Now posted:I get it! It's Atlas.
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Jesus... listening to that Ron Paul speech now. He is really not a good public speaker.
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quote:It is said that catastrophes are a matter of pure chance, and there were those who would have said that the passengers of the Comet were not guilty or responsible for the thing that happened to them. Initiating force against the innocent is the greatest evil on earth and I would never do that, but wouldn't it be great if the wives and children of everyone at the FDA all died in a fire? 
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Is there a libertarian that is a good public speaker? Because as far as I know anyone with any talent for public speaking wasted it on talking about how awful blacks and homos are.
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Who What Now posted:Is there a libertarian that is a good public speaker? Because as far as I know anyone with any talent for public speaking wasted it on talking about how awful blacks and homos are. I'm sure there are a couple, though the names elude me at the moment. His speech isn't all that bad, though it is meandering... his problem is that he has no cadence at all. He sounds like a grade school kid, just rushing through a thirty minute speech as quickly as humanly possible. He also drops some sweet, sweet dog whistle at about the 27 minute mark. Ron Paul doesn't believe in perfect equality, he believes in equality under the law, where each person is treated equally and we never try to divide people up into groups and give them (black people) benefits or treat them (whites) worse because of things that are outside of their control. Edit: His finale is hilarious. "We've seen lots of success with secession among states ignoring the federal laws" Sure you have Ron. Sure you have. Caros fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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Malleum posted:Why, exactly, are libertarian/ancap types so afraid of peer review? "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?" There's this mythic archetype in American culture of the self-trained inventor-entrepreneur who makes revolutionary discoveries through a combination of native intelligence and dogged persistence. In this myth, any kind of "respectable" academics exist solely as hidebound, myopic foils to the brilliant, iconoclastic hero. Often, they're depicted as a kind of "priesthood of science," more concerned with orthodoxy and ritual than with doing anything "useful" (i.e. profitable.) The lone genius, in contrast, is a prophet, decrying their theoretical decadence and calling them back to the true way of applied science. The myth goes back at least to Edison, if not to Benjamin Franklin, but it's very much alive today -- especially among tech sector workers and science fiction fans, two demographics that strongly overlap with the libertarian base. It's all over Rand's work, of course, but you can also see it in geek hagiographies of figures like Steve Jobs. EDIT: Another good example: Elon Musk, who's built both a career and a public persona on the concept that a maverick entrepreneur can do IT, spaceflight, and alternative energy better than a bunch of government eggheads. DSPaul fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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Caros posted:I'm sure there are a couple, though the names elude me at the moment. Not to invoke circular reasoning but if there were, we'd necessarily know about them.
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Caros posted:That one is Atlas Shrugged. Obligatory  Ronpaulstiltskin posted:The Fed is gonna end. There is going to be a de facto secession movement going on. Is it just me, or does RP (or the libertarian movement at large) tend to waffle a bit on whether the federal reserve system is 1. a (presumablyJewish) conspiracy to gief me all yor monies  2. trampling on states rights 3. undermining consumers by devaluing the dollar via money printing This time he's sticking to the narrative that abolishing the fed would be some kind of victory along the path towards independent states. How does he reconcile these different narratives, and with the fact that we had a federal system for 126 years before the federal reserve act? KabukiAvenger fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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quote:Ronpaulstiltskin posted: I like this. I like you for posting this.
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KabukiAvenger posted:Obligatory Those three are actually all consistent with each other when you remember that "trampling on states rights" is code for "helping the blacks".
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paragon1 posted:Those three are actually all consistent with each other when you remember that "trampling on states rights" is code for "helping the blacks". On this note, I was watching David Duke's interview on Bill O'Reilly (seriously what the gently caress was he thinking inviting him on, he doesn't have the reputation he does just because of a LIEBRUL MEDIA smear campaign). He was saying "the Federal Reserve, and the JEWISH BANKERS controlling them, is sending our young men overseas to die in their wars" almost verbatim.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:On this note, I was watching David Duke's interview on Bill O'Reilly (seriously what the gently caress was he thinking inviting him on, he doesn't have the reputation he does just because of a LIEBRUL MEDIA smear campaign). He was saying "the Federal Reserve, and the JEWISH BANKERS controlling them, is sending our young men overseas to die in their wars" almost verbatim. There's an inherent contradiction between claiming to be on the side of the popular masses while actually being part of the very elites you rail against, so bringing in someone like that serves a very useful purpose because, as long as you do it carefully, you can paint yourself as outside the mainstream (hence hosting someone 'censored' by the liberal media) without having to explicitly be racist yourself, because the dogwhistles are better given your position.
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Mister Adequate posted:There's an inherent contradiction between claiming to be on the side of the popular masses while actually being part of the very elites you rail against, so bringing in someone like that serves a very useful purpose because, as long as you do it carefully, you can paint yourself as outside the mainstream (hence hosting someone 'censored' by the liberal media) without having to explicitly be racist yourself, because the dogwhistles are better given your position. Yeah, though Bill O evidently got more than he bargained for in this case; he looked pretty  when Duke was going on about how he wasn't racist, he just loved white people, Jew bankers, etc. Reap what you sow, I guess.
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Malleum posted:Why, exactly, are libertarian/ancap types so afraid of peer review? When Eripsa was on his glut of bitcoin-based decentralized child pornography rings/social media site, he adamantly refused to send his thesis or whatever in to be critiqued by people who know their poo poo. I forget where exactly, but a few pages ago Jrod started the same thing up and buried a rant about the If you believe something with all your heart, like say, tax cuts always increase revenues, but that rear end in a top hat, Reality, keeps shooting you down nearly every time, then that means one of you is wrong. Guess who loses in this battle?
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KabukiAvenger posted:3. undermining consumers by devaluing the dollar via money printing He doesn't think it undermines consumers, because it doesn't; inflation undermines the value of savings, which is why the super-rich love the gold standard. If you want to see the limitations of Ron Paul as a debater and have the limitations of a gold standard more or less explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuAOdXD0Go
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Caros posted:I like this. I like you for posting this. It fits what we know about him shockingly well! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLLo9WSThU
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Disinterested posted:He doesn't think it undermines consumers, because it doesn't; inflation undermines the value of savings, which is why the super-rich love the gold standard. The rich will also have lots of money in inflation tracking assets. I think it's faulty to lend it this much credence. Calls for the gold standard should be understood as politicall ideology first, and economics a distant second. It's not primarily about the economics it's about power. Control over the currency is yet another lever the government has access to that can effect you. I think it cuts deep into the libertarian psyche because it means that even if they earn money, and store it under their mattress the government can still take it. They hate it because of the (mostly theoretical) power it represents, not because of any practical economic argument. The rich have been served and will continue to be best served generally by the statist status quo.
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asdf32 posted:The rich will also have lots of money in inflation tracking assets. I agree that bullionism isn't really about economics (I mean it is for some people) but there is no rational reason to be in favour of it. Even among all the most accomplished 'libertarian' economists it is a joke; refutation of the gold-standard is apolitically accepted in all major disparate schools of economics. It is definitely the case that, by and large, it's better for the super rich than for the poor (although it's actually bad for both since it causes enormously destructive crashes). Your final paragraph is idiotic.
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